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Alienware argues consoles are becoming more and more like PCs

By Shawn Knight ยท 31 replies
Jun 27, 2013
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  1. The announcement of next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony has already helped reignite a gaming industry that has been stagnant for some time. Gamers around the globe are looking forward to what the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 can...

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  2. soldier1969

    soldier1969 TS Booster Posts: 244   +43

    Which isn't a problem keeping up with the Joneses for us PC gamers because we are adults and have jobs and spend what it takes to keep up with the graphics and games to run them at high settings. Consoles to me are always outdated the day of release, they work for the kids but not for me. I game at 2560 x 1600 max settings there is no substitute for that.
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  3. SirGCal

    SirGCal TS Maniac Posts: 365   +138

    Well, DUH... They should have been all along. The last versions were glorified PCs, just specialized versions of said. But I have totally reasonable gaming rigs for the console prices. Then again my big gaming rig no console for the next decade could dream of coming close to...
  4. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 3,160   +1,413

    Sure PCs can cost more but you get more too. With a console you get 1920x1080 resolution and that's it. You don't have to spend $600 on a card to get great performance on a monitor with that resolution. If you spend $600 you're probably using 3 monitors or at least 1440 lines of resolution. I bought a GTX 260 years ago and it still serves me just fine... because I don't have a high res monitor.

    . Only if you want to. It's your choice to upgrade, and it's a choice not available to console gamers. I wouldn't call this a problem with PCs, I'd call it a benefit.
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  5. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,400   +5,021

    I didn't realize there were grounds for arguments. Anyone can see consoles are more PC oriented now, than they were the generation before.
  6. SirGCal

    SirGCal TS Maniac Posts: 365   +138

    I mean the 360 itself was basically a powerPC. They are all 'PCs' in some flavor. Keep it simpler for the developers and keep it easier and make the games better. That's what I say. instead of this damn game stagnation we've seen so much of lately.
  7. spydercanopus

    spydercanopus TS Evangelist Posts: 857   +127

    Just add a mouse.
  8. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,460   +1,034

    Yup. And because they use standardized hardware and do not become obsolete nearly as soon as an equivalent PC, they will continue to have appeal. They can be more convenient and have the games optimized for them (which for PC they have to take into account too many hardware configurations to optimize anything).
  9. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,887   +627

    Wrong. It's just developers being lazy.

    Oh, we managed to get this software running on a PC? GOOD ENOUGH!
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  10. MrAnderson

    MrAnderson TS Maniac Posts: 488   +10

    Each kind of platform has its own merits. I PC game... I console game.

    If Valve would adopt a version of Linux as a basis for a Steam OS with a OpenGL stack and partner with Google and-or Mozilla for a pure HTML5 and related technologies web experience... they could probably do something interesting in this transitioning PC in the living room market. The only obstacle would be convincing big publishers to port games over, build new IP on the platform, and perhaps Valve not having enough engineers with expertise in OS development for a gaming console.

    I'm sure if such a platform is kept open, indie devs would come running. They could be the Amazon of games and perhaps even other content. ::end dream sequence :: =P
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  11. VrsTech

    VrsTech TS Rookie

    This is just another path to marge everything together in the future.. one day everything will be in one box next to your water heater, will you can do it now actually wireless keyboard,mouse and HDMI boxes, it will be like a small cloud in your home it will be streaming everything to one unit.. Graphic and speed will hit a limit and the next big thing is VR..
  12. jeffz6

    jeffz6 TS Rookie Posts: 79

    Im just sick on over sized crosshairs, huds and text to compensate for the lounge room tv. Im seeing this more on pc games.
  13. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,887   +627

    Heh, just wait until you game on 2560x1600. A lot of HUDs don't scale.
  14. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,286

    Speak for yourself. I've got more important things to spend money on apart from upgrading my rig every 20 minutes (would be nice though). No. I'm not a console person and I won't buy one but I am a PC gamer and I just that I can't justify throwing heaps of cash at something that'll be obsolete by lunchtime today.
  15. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,286

    I can't see what the all the fuss is about. This is essentially becoming a PC vs console thread again. I'm exclusively a PC gamer but to the vast majority of the worlds population the console is the answer and I reluctantly have to agree with them so consoles being x86 PC based seems logical in many ways.
  16. I play games both on consoles and my PC. If a game came out for both the console and PC, odds are that I'm going to buy it on the PC because of the better graphics and usually cheaper price. However, consoles are still a good thing because there will always be games that come out for them that never reach the PC e.g., Uncharted, Halo, Gears of War, God of War.

    Better graphics does not equal a better game and that seems to be the only big argument I hear from the PC only crowd. As PC gamers, we should be happy that the new consoles are coming out and are modeled after a pretty strong rig. This will push the developers to do more and maybe in this new generation, the games that come out for both will finally be able to take advantage of the powerful graphics cards we all bought and installed in our PCs.

    It's a good thing.
  17. insect

    insect TS Evangelist Posts: 349   +132

    Umm. The Atari was a computer... By definition all consoles ever (and arcade games) are computers. They all have contained some sort of input, output, processor, and storage medium.

    The difference between a PC and a console is still there though: On a PC, I start it up and it does what I tell it to, no matter what that 'it' is (regardless of it's gaming ability - a raspberry pi can be a PC). With a console, you start it up and it does what it wants to do. The only 'control' you have over it is whatever disk you put into it or what the developers allow you to do with it. If you decide to crack the console and load custom software, now you have a PC again.

    Consoles won't be consoles when they let users do whatever they want to them. Until then, they are mid-level PC hardware limited by software 'for the masses' (read: it's easier than a PC and so long as you are ignorant of the limits placed on you, you are happy).
  18. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,482   +978

    Well, there really is nothing consoles can do to advance other than becoming a PC xD.
  19. You serious? "next-gen" consoles were obsolete by lunchtime 3 yeas ago!
  20. Spykezxp

    Spykezxp TS Addict Posts: 296   +73

    I play nothing but PC games now, but I still have consoles hooked up in my house. I would much rather spend a couple hundred dollars every couple years to ensure that I can do what I want with my computer. This gives me the option of selecting the hardware that I want, to get the the performance that I crave. If Sony and Microsoft opened up their consoles with the ability to upgrade hardware, then I may go back. But that is almost guaranteed not to happen.
  21. cmbjive

    cmbjive TS Booster Posts: 777   +139

    But...console gaming has always been loosely based on PC gaming. The first home games came out on PCs.

    I still prefer console gaming. I've never gotten used to using a keyboard, whatever its advantages, and controlling everything on one controller fits my preferences.
  22. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,568   +559

    Pcs need to become more like consoles in the sense they need to add split screen multiplayer so you can play with a friend, pc gaming is to anti social
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  23. Hammayon

    Hammayon TS Booster Posts: 138   +48

    You pay $600 for two Nvidia 660 ti or Two AMD/ATI 7950 in SLI or Crossfire setup, it won't be absolute in a few years. Yes in a few years the PC graphics performance will practically will double, but the games that will come out with be desigend to utilize the power of PS4 and XBOX one (most pc games being ports). So Techspot you are totally wrong. Because the new consoles are under powered by PC standards, the games will be optimized to be used on these systems, thus PC's wont be fully utilized (except the PC only games).

    Building a decent PC rig with the above dual card setup is around $1500 tops (with an SSD, DDR3 RAM, nice case, powersupply etc). But you will have a high end system that will run circles around existing consoles for 10 years. CIRCLES!!!!!!!!!!

    But yes, consoles are indeed a poor man's PC. You get good value.

    IN THE END, it's really the amount of effort game developers put into their games. not just visual flare, graphical fidelity, but artwork.
    And of course, the fun factor. A 6 month in development VS a 2-3 year in development game makes a difference in final product quality.
  24. The main difference between a PC & a console is the amount of players that can be played locally. I think a lot of people with consoles enjoy having a console to play with friends/family in the same room. Most who prefer a PC over a console tend to play with friends online or at a LAN party. A lan party isn't something you just call your buddy over to play for a few hours.

    While the console has taken up a lot of features from the PC and the lines have started to get blurred, until there's an easy way to convert your PC to a console-like configuration (hook up to the tv with multiple local controllers), there will always be a valid reason for both to be in the market.
  25. Computer parts don't become obsolete as often as you think. That's just a state of mind. You believe that because of all the hype that is being passed around by the manufacturers and the media. How often do you upgrade or replace perfectly good working parts on a PC? Isn't the duration between "upgrading" parts the same as the lifespan of a console's generation (remember, upgrade because you have to and not just because you want the latest and greatest)? This article seems to imply that consoles magically get better without any hardware upgrades. The PS4 today will be the same PS4 3-4 years down the road until they come out with a newer revision (It will be a hardware change by the way, sounds familiar to PC?). The reason PCs are considered "obsolete or outdated" is because game manufacturers are pushing their capabilities to the limits. If game manufacturers practice the same methods of designing games for the consoles, then PCs will never have to be upgraded (In case you don't know, console manufacturers have strict performance standards that need to be met in order to issue approval).
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