All new cars should be required to have AM radio, says US House

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In a nutshell: Congress is deliberating whether to require new vehicles to include AM radio, a technology that many auto manufacturers consider outdated and that consumers are increasingly abandoning in favor of digital streaming. However, there are arguments for its inclusion, such as its role as a communication tool during emergencies. If this bill passes, it would represent a significant shift in both auto regulation and radio broadcasting.

The House Energy and Commerce Committee has approved a bill requiring all new vehicles to include AM radio. Known as the AM for Every Vehicle Act, the legislation passed with a 45-2 vote and will now proceed to the full House for consideration.

The bill addresses a growing trend among automakers, particularly electric vehicle manufacturers, to exclude AM radio from their latest models. If enacted, the legislation would direct the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to mandate that automakers include AM broadcast radio in their vehicles at no additional cost to consumers.

Supporters of the bill argue that AM radio plays a crucial role in emergency communications during natural disasters and other crises, serving as a reliable information source when other systems may fail. It is also a preferred platform for right-leaning news and media outlets, which has prompted some conservative groups to lobby against its discontinuation. Additionally, AM radio remains vital in remote areas where alternatives may not be available.

The bill has 60 co-sponsors in the Senate, according to Senator Ed Markey (D-Mass), one of the bill's co-authors. This provides the legislation with a filibuster-proof majority in the upper chamber.

However, the legislation faces opposition from some automakers, particularly those producing electric vehicles. Companies like Tesla, Polestar, and Rivian have cited electromagnetic interference from electric powertrains as a reason for omitting AM radio from their vehicles.

Critics of the bill also express concerns about potential increased production costs for EVs, which are already struggling to lower prices to make them more appealing to consumers. Adding proper shielding and filters to address interference issues will incur additional costs. Furthermore, they argue that alternative technologies, such as internet streaming and HD radio on FM bands, are viable replacements for AM radio.

It is also easy to see why auto manufacturers might resist including AM radio in their high-tech dashboards. The technology is widely viewed as outdated, and consumer preferences are shifting towards digital streaming and smartphone apps. AM radio, which is free, would occupy valuable dashboard space at a time when manufacturers are promoting paid subscription streaming services.

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"Companies like Tesla, Polestar, and Rivian have cited electromagnetic interference from electric powertrains as a reason for omitting AM radio from their vehicles."

Complete utter BULLSH*T.

If these companies can make EVs which are shuffling huge amounts of electrical power (creating its own EM interference) from the battery to the motor and from the charging port to the inboard inductor circuitry to the battery cells on a daily basis, and the interior infotainment system gets ever-more complex and powerful, AND you can still use that infotainment system during charging and driving....

You absolutely can use a simple, time-tested, commoditized, and standardized low-power AM radio and antenna.

This is 100% about keeping free entertainment out of the car so everyone can be locked into their proprietary ecosystem and charged outrageous prices each month.
 
This is an interesting debate! While I get why automakers, especially EV manufacturers, are phasing out AM radio in favor of more modern tech like digital streaming, there’s something to be said for keeping it in vehicles. 🚗 AM radio has been a reliable communication tool during emergencies, especially in areas where internet or cell service is patchy. With natural disasters becoming more frequent, having this backup could be crucial. 🌪️

However, I also see the challenge for automakers, particularly EV companies like Tesla, who face technical issues like electromagnetic interference. Adding the required shielding and filters could increase costs, which may impact EV prices. Balancing safety and modernization is tricky here. What do you guys think — should we prioritize keeping AM for emergencies or move on with modern solutions? 🤔
 
Explaining that first rant: Modern cars are full of bell and whistles that make them way more expensive than they need to be. Adding one more, by law, isn't going to be noticeable.
AM radios are likely the most reliable thing in a car aside from the door handles.
"Companies like Tesla, Polestar, and Rivian have cited electromagnetic interference from electric powertrains as a reason for omitting AM radio from their vehicles."

Complete utter BULLSH*T.

If these companies can make EVs which are shuffling huge amounts of electrical power (creating its own EM interference) from the battery to the motor and from the charging port to the inboard inductor circuitry to the battery cells on a daily basis, and the interior infotainment system gets ever-more complex and powerful, AND you can still use that infotainment system during charging and driving....

You absolutely can use a simple, time-tested, commoditized, and standardized low-power AM radio and antenna.

This is 100% about keeping free entertainment out of the car so everyone can be locked into their proprietary ecosystem and charged outrageous prices each month.
Absolutely. It's always been about control. Not saving money, or giving the consumer what they want. Control.

They should mandate the need for user replaceable hardware and putting buttons back in the interior for controls. Tell the car makers to screw off.
 
"Companies like Tesla, Polestar, and Rivian have cited electromagnetic interference from electric powertrains as a reason for omitting AM radio from their vehicles."

Complete utter BULLSH*T.

If these companies can make EVs which are shuffling huge amounts of electrical power (creating its own EM interference) from the battery to the motor and from the charging port to the inboard inductor circuitry to the battery cells on a daily basis, and the interior infotainment system gets ever-more complex and powerful, AND you can still use that infotainment system during charging and driving....

You absolutely can use a simple, time-tested, commoditized, and standardized low-power AM radio and antenna.

This is 100% about keeping free entertainment out of the car so everyone can be locked into their proprietary ecosystem and charged outrageous prices each month.



Um, no. How about we STOP mandating equipment on vehicles whose prices are already shooting up astronomically as is… if AM radio is so effing important, I’m sure the 2 or 3 people out of 10,000 who still use it can figure out a way to Jerry-rig an antenna to the roof or windshield in modern car, then run it to a $20 portable radio. Please leave the rest of us alone.
 
"It is also a preferred platform for right-leaning news and media outlets"

Pardon? I am very sure right-leaning people say things on the radio. I am very sure left-leaning people say things on the radio. I have no idea why you're singling one side out.
 
Um, no. How about we STOP mandating equipment on vehicles whose prices are already shooting up astronomically as is… if AM radio is so effing important, I’m sure the 2 or 3 people out of 10,000 who still use it can figure out a way to Jerry-rig an antenna to the roof or windshield in modern car, then run it to a $20 portable radio. Please leave the rest of us alone.
How about car makers stop using BS excuses for their price gouging? If John Doe can set up an AM radio for $20 it would logically cost the car maker far less to integrate it, like thye've done for over 50 YEARS now. It's not gonna make a big differenc ein price.
 
Um, no. How about we STOP mandating equipment on vehicles whose prices are already shooting up astronomically as is… if AM radio is so effing important, I’m sure the 2 or 3 people out of 10,000 who still use it can figure out a way to Jerry-rig an antenna to the roof or windshield in modern car, then run it to a $20 portable radio. Please leave the rest of us alone.
Its an AM radio, its incredibly simple, and in most cases these things will be running FM radio anyway so its not like it takes much if at all to leave it in, its just asshat car manufacturers who have started to act like software companies, you already can't put your stereo in through most cases because half the car is wired through what used to be the infotainment and all the buttons are gone so you can spend half an hour hunting for the AC controls because they've been placed by a designer who has gone full form over function, you can sure as hell bet a Tesla or Polestar would make you pay for a "radio upgrade" to enable something that should already be there if they could, consumers need protecting, not stupid car manufacturers who hunt for every cent of profit while making continually worse piles of garbage
 
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This is 100% about keeping free entertainment out of the car so everyone can be locked into their proprietary ecosystem and charged outrageous prices each month.
Every single one of these automakers support Bluetooth, which is far more flexible than AM radio. Nobody I know uses AM radio. Consumers prefer it, one reason why it's being left out. Plus, Tesla supports connecting to free streaming services when connected to WiFi (ie. a mobile hotspot). The only time you have to pay for these streaming services is if you want the ad-free version or for your car to have mobile data. Honestly XM radio would be a better option for AM radio replacement.
Um, no. How about we STOP mandating equipment on vehicles whose prices are already shooting up astronomically as is… if AM radio is so effing important, I’m sure the 2 or 3 people out of 10,000 who still use it can figure out a way to Jerry-rig an antenna to the roof or windshield in modern car, then run it to a $20 portable radio. Please leave the rest of us alone.
It would have to be a really big antenna lol.
How about car makers stop using BS excuses for their price gouging? If John Doe can set up an AM radio for $20 it would logically cost the car maker far less to integrate it, like thye've done for over 50 YEARS now. It's not gonna make a big differenc ein price.
But it does make a difference. Tesla hasn't been doing it for 50+ years, in fact they haven't supported AM radios for a majority of the time they've offered cars. They discontinued AM radios completely with MCU2 in 2018: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-mcu-index-arm-tegra-intel-atom-amd-ryzen.259490/
Its an AM radio, its incredibly simple, and in most cases these things will be running FM radio anyway so its not like it takes much if at all to leave it in, its just asshat car manufacturers who have started to act like software companies, you already can't put your stereo in through modt cases because half the car is wired through what used to be the infotainment and all the buttons are gone so you can spend half an hour hunting for the AC controls because they've been placed by a designer who has gone full form over function, you can sure as hell bet a Tesla or Polestar would make you pay for a "radio upgrade" to enable something that should already be there if they could, consumers need protecting, not stupid car manufacturers who hunt for every cent of profit while making continually worse piles of garbage
This is what an AM radio sounds like in a Tesla, no one is kidding you:
AM radio works completely differently from FM radio in how the signal is transmitted, the data is transmitted through amplitude modulation (AM) instead of frequency modulation (FM). That's why you never have a clear signal as it is. And EMI shielding needs to be added to more than just EV motors, there is wiring, components, and more. This article goes over the cost estimates from a single automaker: https://www.radioworld.com/news-and...og-am-interference-in-evs-could-cost-billions
 
Um, no. How about we STOP mandating equipment on vehicles whose prices are already shooting up astronomically as is… if AM radio is so effing important, I’m sure the 2 or 3 people out of 10,000 who still use it can figure out a way to Jerry-rig an antenna to the roof or windshield in modern car, then run it to a $20 portable radio. Please leave the rest of us alone.
I think the point, per the article, was that AM radio is used for emergency broadcast. It's not about infotainment.
 
"Companies like Tesla, Polestar, and Rivian have cited electromagnetic interference from electric powertrains as a reason for omitting AM radio from their vehicles."

Complete utter BULLSH*T.

If these companies can make EVs which are shuffling huge amounts of electrical power (creating its own EM interference) from the battery to the motor and from the charging port to the inboard inductor circuitry to the battery cells on a daily basis, and the interior infotainment system gets ever-more complex and powerful, AND you can still use that infotainment system during charging and driving....

You absolutely can use a simple, time-tested, commoditized, and standardized low-power AM radio and antenna.

This is 100% about keeping free entertainment out of the car so everyone can be locked into their proprietary ecosystem and charged outrageous prices each month.
I think you missed the point. AM radio, because it is amplitude modulated is more susceptible to noise than FM radio. With all those electric components on the car it can have an impact on the AM radio, unless you design to address that noise but that adds cost. The government wants it because they like it for emergency broadcast. AM is great for long range broadcasting, and you can pack in a bunch of AM stations around the same frequency range. But other than government use, why do you need it? Who actually listens to AM these days?

I don't see this being about selling streaming services. First off, there are plenty of them out there and Tesla nor any other EV manufacturer is going to make that much money selling a streaming service. Spotify only recently became profitable, so I don't see a big attraction to that for the auto maker.
 
The amount of ignorance in some of the previous comments is astounding. Huge areas of the United States have no cellular nor FM radio coverage due to mountains or just being rural areas with little to no infrastructure. And the number of people living in those areas is NOT insignificant. Cellular and FM signals are line-of-sight, so the range is very limited and not everyone can afford nor wants to invest in a satellite radio subscription. So for the people who live, work and travel thru those areas, AM radio is the only option for receiving Public Service Announcements, Weather Alerts, News, and Emergency Alerts as well as any radio entertainment. AM signals can travel literally thousands of miles, whereas FM and cellular signals only travel about 40 miles under the best of conditions.

This issue isn't about forcing automakers to put AM radios INTO cars. Current US laws on the books already require AM radios to be installed in cars for the obvious reasons above. But automakers want to repeal that law to save some money at the expense of pubic safety so they can REMOVE AM radios from cars

As for AM radios being noisy in Teslas, that's something Tesla needs to fix with some additional shielding or by using better shielding around its drive train components. Also, no one buys a Tesla to drive thru the aforementioned areas since there aren't any recharging stations in those areas and people living there wouldn't be caught dead relying on an EV where the nearest charging station might be 400 miles away. So the point trying to be made earlier about AM radios being noisy in Teslas is beyond ridiculous. People who live, work and drive through those wilderness/rural areas rely on gasoline powered cars for obvious reasons.
 
Every single one of these automakers support Bluetooth, which is far more flexible than AM radio. Nobody I know uses AM radio. Consumers prefer it, one reason why it's being left out. Plus, Tesla supports connecting to free streaming services when connected to WiFi (ie. a mobile hotspot). The only time you have to pay for these streaming services is if you want the ad-free version or for your car to have mobile data. Honestly XM radio would be a better option for AM radio replacement.

It would have to be a really big antenna lol.

But it does make a difference. Tesla hasn't been doing it for 50+ years, in fact they haven't supported AM radios for a majority of the time they've offered cars. They discontinued AM radios completely with MCU2 in 2018: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-mcu-index-arm-tegra-intel-atom-amd-ryzen.259490/

This is what an AM radio sounds like in a Tesla, no one is kidding you:
AM radio works completely differently from FM radio in how the signal is transmitted, the data is transmitted through amplitude modulation (AM) instead of frequency modulation (FM). That's why you never have a clear signal as it is. And EMI shielding needs to be added to more than just EV motors, there is wiring, components, and more. This article goes over the cost estimates from a single automaker: https://www.radioworld.com/news-and...og-am-interference-in-evs-could-cost-billions
You know what's funny?

The F-150 lightning's AM radio works just fine. So does the AM radio in Chevy EVs. And kia EVs.

Hmmmm...........

The difference in cost is negligible. It's not an excuse, every car from decent automakers has one now, so forcing its inclusion wont raise prices, we already HAVE this equipment!
I think you missed the point. AM radio, because it is amplitude modulated is more susceptible to noise than FM radio. With all those electric components on the car it can have an impact on the AM radio, unless you design to address that noise but that adds cost. The government wants it because they like it for emergency broadcast. AM is great for long range broadcasting, and you can pack in a bunch of AM stations around the same frequency range. But other than government use, why do you need it? Who actually listens to AM these days?

I don't see this being about selling streaming services. First off, there are plenty of them out there and Tesla nor any other EV manufacturer is going to make that much money selling a streaming service. Spotify only recently became profitable, so I don't see a big attraction to that for the auto maker.
As has been brought up already, emergency radio is AM, and in significant parts of the country its the only way to communicate as cell signal and FM dont work well in mountains.

Not everything is the Bay Area.
 
Shouldn't am radio cost less than a dollar today? I feel like there is sense in what they say.
On the other hand, if it is an EV, what use is that radio if say a hurricane damages power grid and that radio is dead because the EV is dead.
 
Pushing more tech in cars will make Shelby 67 outrageously popular. At this stage 67's Fiat looks formidable.
 
AM radios are likely the most reliable thing in a car aside from the door handles.
Absolutely. It's always been about control. Not saving money, or giving the consumer what they want. Control.

They should mandate the need for user replaceable hardware and putting buttons back in the interior for controls. Tell the car makers to screw off.
VW just halted sales of one of its cars due to the door handles being unreliable.
 
So...
A) The cost of an AM radio itself is near 0.
B) Gasoline cars eliminate AM interference, both from the engine and the alternator. The cost? For alternator noise, a capacitor based filter. For engine noise, some resistors to keep the spark noise down.

So the Tesla doesn't have any spark plugs, so you'd possibly just need a single filter on the radio itself (or whatever, I guess whatever ECU the radio is buried in on them.)

"It is also a preferred platform for right-leaning news and media outlets"

Pardon? I am very sure right-leaning people say things on the radio. I am very sure left-leaning people say things on the radio. I have no idea why you're singling one side out.
I mean, not that it does matter, but AM has been the bastion of talk radio for many many years, and quite a lot of that has been conservative talk radio. (Music on AM sounds a bit flat, so it makes sense to have music move to FM and everything else be on AM.) In my market, FM is all music channels, and 2 NPR stations. AM has 1 of the two NPR stations simulcast (I think they consider the FM station the simulcast of the AM one, but whatever), I'd say it's about 50% conservative talk shows, maybe 15-20% sports talk, 15-20% news and weather, and 15-20% everything else. I suspect with Rush Limbaugh and the like being so successful and building up a lot of syndication (mostly on AM), that probably paved the way for this being a popular format.

As for should AM radios be required? On the one hand, I'd say yes just because it's such a silly thing to leave out. On the other... I'm not interested in buying a Tesla, vehicles I've looked at still have AM radios. We have very few stations here simulcast between AM and FM so if you have an FM only radio you're missing out on well over half the local stations, and even more when you count AM's ability to pick up more distant stations. But it's a free market and I'm free to buy a vehicle with a fully functional radio.
 
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100% agree ..!

I still think "Electronics" should be a class tough in Jr High, so that children understand the things they hold, aren't just a single device... and learn to understand what engineering is and how technical it can be...!

And building an AM radio is such a task^, that allows younger kids to make a connection to airwaves and learn about radio signals and modulations, etc.



IMO, AM Radio should be mandatory on any licensed vehicles. Along with all emergency bands too.
 
Laugh that people still listen to AM. My car has it and I've used it in 20 years. AM only exists for right wing shock jocks to spread their hatred as their demographic is old codgers that are so technologically challenged AM is as high tech as it will ever get for them.
 
I think you missed the point. AM radio, because it is amplitude modulated is more susceptible to noise than FM radio. With all those electric components on the car it can have an impact on the AM radio, unless you design to address that noise but that adds cost. The government wants it because they like it for emergency broadcast. AM is great for long range broadcasting, and you can pack in a bunch of AM stations around the same frequency range. But other than government use, why do you need it? Who actually listens to AM these days?

I don't see this being about selling streaming services. First off, there are plenty of them out there and Tesla nor any other EV manufacturer is going to make that much money selling a streaming service. Spotify only recently became profitable, so I don't see a big attraction to that for the auto maker.

One can say If you do not listen to AM radio nearly every day, then you live aloof from typical American Society..

How do you get local news and traffic and morning commute...?
How do you get local updates on coming attractions/shows/arts or venues and happenings..?
How do you listen to the local sports..? Tailgate?
What exactly is your morning routine, without local AM radio and snow days, or alerts..?

These are all the things typical productive people do everyday, while listening to their local AM channel LIVE. They do not have to have a phone in their face and can dual-task by getting ready, doing housework, working at their desk, etc... all the WHILE listening to the news and local happening, live in crystal clear AM bands.

As for range, there are Michigan AM stations, that can be picked up in Kentucky hills.


IMO, People who don't listen to AM radio or local news often aren't connected and live aloof from their society. They don't care about being grounded or up to date. It's the same people who say they find audio fidelity in FM radio..
 
"It is also a preferred platform for right-leaning news and media outlets, which has prompted some conservative groups to lobby against its discontinuation."

What a BS biased comment. Both sides of politics use AM radio, in fact the BIGGEST users are left government owned organisations such the the ABC here is Australia (Australian Broadcasting Corporation).
 
Um, no. How about we STOP mandating equipment on vehicles whose prices are already shooting up astronomically as is… if AM radio is so effing important, I’m sure the 2 or 3 people out of 10,000 who still use it can figure out a way to Jerry-rig an antenna to the roof or windshield in modern car, then run it to a $20 portable radio. Please leave the rest of us alone.

C'mon, AM radio equipment is RIDICULOUSLY cheap and would add practically zero overall cost to the vehicle.
 
You guys talk so much but missed the keyword: EMERGENCY.
Think, what is currently happening in this world that might end up putting you 'muricans in emergency? It become so urgent, today, for these lawmakers to prepare that for you?

Never see that coming, do you?
 
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