I find it hard to believe cost is the reason. They have freaking boards with a million of chips and other elecrtonic elements. How would AM radio be a burden?
All new cars should be required to have AM radio, says US House
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Please keep AM in vehicles.
-Even without AM, manufacturers should include the electromagnetic shielding anyway!
-It is hard (not impossible) to get data they can monetize off AM listeners.
-Like many have said, they want to get free options removed.
-Cell companies have tried to keep this stuff out of phones, too.
I am glad y'all are mostly agreeing on this!
-Even without AM, manufacturers should include the electromagnetic shielding anyway!
-It is hard (not impossible) to get data they can monetize off AM listeners.
-Like many have said, they want to get free options removed.
-Cell companies have tried to keep this stuff out of phones, too.
I am glad y'all are mostly agreeing on this!
Carlos GarPov 00
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It is a good idea indeed. In case of an emergency AM would be a great way to keep everyone informed.
Regulators have no business making demands about what an automobile maker should or should not include in the onboard entertainment system. There doesn't have to be one at all. AM and FM radio are wastelands anyway. Personally I'd be happy with a bluetooth amplifier and nothing else. I'm also fine if automakers want to include NO entertainment system at all. The government needs to get its fascist mitts out of a car's bill of materials.
There are no laws on the books today requiring AM radios. That's the whole point to this article.
And your point about interference in a Tesla makes no sense. It's not a case of whether people in remote areas are going to buy them, it's the fact that the government is moving to REQUIRE them even though, as you point out, people in those areas won't be buying those cars. If people in remote areas want AM radios, then they can ask for them as an option, or carry a handheld device in the car. Like you say, it's not a majority of the population that would be impacted.
Assuming they all have their radios turned on and are listening for a broadcast.
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
NO, you are missing the whole point.
Certain authoritarians within the Gov were trying to remove it from cars and other things, for nefarious reasons and why Citizens within Congress has to chastise these overlords.
And trying to ban the reception of AM Public Radio in a cars, serves what purpose..? AM Radio has always been used as local broadcast emergencies. It is nothing new, it just weird that some entity is trying to attack AM radio and remove it from society, bcz they can't control it.
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Plutoisaplanet
Posts: 1,319 +1,930
AM radio DOES raise prices. Removing it helps cancel out cost increases and inflation. And no, AM radio is NOT the only way to communicate in rural areas. There is satellite too. And have you ever noticed how many cars have satellite receivers? There’s XM radio, and GPS in most cars now. It makes more sense to do it that way where you’ll get a perfectly clear signal.
monkeylove
Posts: 166 +52
Good idea, but that'll obviously add to costs.
Is that what's happening. It seems, per the article, that the government is trying to require them, not eliminate them. While AM radio had its uses once upon a time, there are better technologies out there so why continue to propagate old tech? It would be like saying every home built must have a land-line, dial-up phone in case we need to call you in an emergency.
Can't emergency messages be sent via FM radio, or Sat radio (which many new cars have)?
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
Bro, you cant make a Sat radio in ur basement, nor is that a local broadcast..
FM Radio is crap compared to the coverage AM radio is. Clark, you simply don't understand how vast America is, or what rural America is like.
Also, I don't think you understand the concept that AM radio is a broadcast Station, transmitting from a single location and is not like CB Radio, which is two-way. Nor is Radio like Sat, or Cell (which are all networks) and in case of emergency we fall back to local radio waves...!
Everyone in America knows this and hears the "If this had been an Actual Emergency..." message once a month during the test....
Bro, who is talking about making a radio in the basement? Duh. Most people couldn't make an AM radio in their basement either. We're talking about whether they need to be in cars or not.
Just so you know there are more than double the FM stations as AM stations. And yes, AM has some advantages over FM, but it's not like we are just going to rely on a single station AM or FM in a single location. And how is AM not "two-way"? You can send and receive. Now the FCC hasn't opened that up to non-licensed people but there's nothing that would prevent 2-way communication via AM radio. Again, this doesn't seem to be a relevant point.
Just so you know, I am an electrical engineer with a microwave and radio frequency specialization, so yeah, I know that AM is broadcast. And it's hard to fall back on radio waves when your transmitter and tower are down, no different than any other type of radio or method of communication.
Everyone in America isn't listening to AM radio every day much less every month. Per this article only 20% of radio users are listening to AM.
Bro, you must come from the pov of goodwill and good intention. Which is really fine.
But now it's not that time.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/23/congress-plan-mass-casualty-emergency-00178190
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
Well... because you nvr took electronic in high school and never learned how to make an AM radio and learn it's emergency use... is not anyone's fault.
Additionally, those reasons for having/receiving local emergency airwaves don't disappear, bcz Other's have no clue. Thankfully, they clueless are the least common denominator of society and not part of the solution.
Crazy how you keep (ovr and ovr) dismissing local radio (you know the actual stations you drive by every day). How can you be so for FM radio & so tryharding against cheaper longer-range AM radio & mandated AM reception..? Have you stopped and asked why you are so against it..? And espousing so much for hackable (ie turn off) network emergency solutions. To me you sound extremely non-professional.
Lastly, per the study we know transient youth don't listen to anything local... (they are data driven by network data). We already know this and if you need to cite a study to know/prove that, then you are griefing your own argument.
Again, who is talking about home-built radios other than you? It's not relevant to this discussion because no one is stopping you from building any radio you like at home. PS - I guarantee you I know more about radio design than you learned in high school.
I have not dismissed "local" radio whatsoever. But if you want to bring that up, in the greater Seattle area 65% of radio stations are FM. And That ratio will pretty much hold up across the US. And while AM may be cheaper to build, who is really building out new AM stations these days? Since 2015 the number of AM stations has declined (slightly) whereas FM stations have increased (also slightly).
What you have clearly missed is that I'm not advocating for getting rid of AM radio or not using AM for emergency broadcasts. What I'm saying is there is no reason to mandate AM radio in cars. Based on what you're saying we should all have AM radios built into our phones. While a high percentage of people own cars (91%), not all of those cars have working radios and people aren't in their cars 100% of the time. If AM for emergency broadcast is your plan, then it should be in our phones because nearly everyone has a phone (higher percentage than cars - 97%) and has it with them at all times. Do you want an AM radio in your phone? I don't.
You've also failed to address the technical issues of AM in EVs, which is what this article is partly about. You can read up on that here.
I do not need AM radio in my car. I cannot tell you the last time I listened to AM in the car and so even in an emergency I wouldn't be using the AM radio anyway. So why are you so hard set to have AM in cars when it doesn't appear to provide any real advantage?
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
Bruh...
Again, we can tell that you are NOT American, or even understand it's emergency use nor having it immediately at hand, or able to make urself if need be. You do not take importance in the average person being self self sufficient and NOT having to rely on Federal, or State Government.. and relying on LOCAL authorities in case of an EMERGENCY.
That^ is what we are talking about.
You don't care, because you have never faced an real emergency... and can't see the value in the United States Mandated that all vehicles that clogged our highways and roads, has a $1 part for emergency use. We get that you do NOT understand.
Again, you do not think AM radio should be mandated in cars, because you can't grasp what an EMERGENCY is.
Then there is Reality for Millions:
[HEADING=2]Local broadcasters become lifeline for hard-hit North Carolina communities in wake of Helene’s wrath[/HEADING]
By Brian Stelter, CNN
While traveling through small towns in mostly rural areas I often notice roadside signs that say in an emergency tune to such and such AM radio station. The signs exist in larger cities too but might not be as noticeable due to the multitude of signage competing for your attention.
Bruh,Bruh...
Again, we can tell that you are NOT American, or even understand it's emergency use nor having it immediately at hand, or able to make urself if need be. You do not take importance in the average person being self self sufficient and NOT having to rely on Federal, or State Government.. and relying on LOCAL authorities in case of an EMERGENCY.
That^ is what we are talking about.
You don't care, because you have never faced an real emergency... and can't see the value in the United States Mandated that all vehicles that clogged our highways and roads, has a $1 part for emergency use. We get that you do NOT understand.
Again, you do not think AM radio should be mandated in cars, because you can't grasp what an EMERGENCY is.
Then there is Reality for Millions:
[HEADING=2]Local broadcasters become lifeline for hard-hit North Carolina communities in wake of Helene’s wrath[/HEADING]
By Brian Stelter, CNN
You are so out in left field it's not even funny. I'm as American as they come bruh. You have given absolutely zero justification for mandating AM radios in all cars. Your arguments are weak at best, and your personal insults reveal you have no real argument to make. You make outrageous claims, like an AM radio installed in a car cost $1. It's much more than that and you know it or you're dumber that I thought.
Having lived in the South where we have hurricanes, in the Midwest where we have tornados, in the SW where we have wildfires, and on the west coast where we have earthquakes, I think I know plenty about emergencies.
What I think you don't know about is the fact that in a real emergency government agencies will use multiple methods of communicating with the population including, AM, FM, Sat radio, TV, cell phones, and even local sirens. See the FEMA web site on this. Since cars have at least one of these options I see no reason to require additional means to receive emergency broadcasts.
PS - I don't think AM radio is going to work in a car that has been in a flood.
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m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
NO, your logic is that FM radio is kewl, but AM radio is old...
It's laughable and sentiment throughout your posts, while not understand that nobody is suggesting that they remove FM radio from cars, only that they do NOT remove AM reception. (Bcz of long range emergency use, specially in mountainous area)
Plz stop with your inane logic. It's a $1 part that CAN be mandated for public emergency use.
What is more telling is that you are against this. And try to tell me about OTHER emergency channels... but can not explain why you do not want AM reception on road vehicles..?
PS: when there is a flood... and it's an emergency... u can break ANY window on ANY car and use the AM radio. It's not about you, it about for the public.
OK first, what's with the insults? Can you not actually debate a topic with logic and reason? Second, you keep saying things that I never said nor implied. I've NEVER suggested that auto manufacturers remove AM radios from cars. What I DID say is that I do not think the government needs to mandate AM radio in cars. There is absolutely NO REASON for it to be mandatory.
I've also never said anything about FM being "cool". That is a fabrication in your mind. I said FM, along with other things like TV, sat radio and so forth are one of the many ways the government can get emergency notifications to you and since most cars have at least FM and many now have sat radio there is no need for a third option in those cars.
I am not against AM radio in cars. I've NEVER said that. If the manufacturer wants to put that in, then they can do that today, no one is stopping them. And the reason EV manufacturers don't want to put them in cars is because electric motors can cause all sorts of interference because AM radio is susceptible to that. So, no, it's not a simple $1 part and you would know that if you had any sort of engineering background which it appears you don't.
PS - really? you can just break a window and turn on the radio? Uh what car is that because none of the cars I've ever owned will turn on the radio without the key. Furthermore, if your electric car, or any car for that matter, is under water, or partially underwater the electrical system isn't going to work to well Sherlock.
As for the public, who in the public is calling for AM radios in cars? No one, that's who.
That's the whole point. The electric drivetrain generates too much unavoidable EM noise that an AM radio will keep picking up drivetrain noise. Adding satisfactory shielding might require major redesigns and significant additional expense and complexity.
FM radio is very simple and logical from a digital perspective -- you don't need a fast and expensive ADC to sample it. An AM radio is best built completely analogue, which doesn't really mesh with modern digital systems. There are any number of tiny single-chip FM receiver solutions out there, but no similar miniaturization of AM that I know of.
This is to say nothing of the drivetrain noise problem, which FM is largely inherently immune to, compared to AM.
I guess AM still has its uses, especially short wave with its extended ranges, but it's probably going to cost to keep it.
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