AMD bounces back in latest Steam survey: largest-ever CPU share, RDNA 2 finally charts

Sausagemeat

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The Steam survey isn't flawed because AMD Radeon's weren't in it. Its flawed because not everyone has steam installed and uses it that plays games. So saying it represents the whole market is not accurate.
What percentage of PC gamers who own a dedicated GPU haven’t installed steam? Id say less than 1%. But sure we don’t know. There could be millions of Radeon owners out there who just love the epic games store and hate Steam! :joy:.

The survey is the best we’ve got. Obviously it’s not perfect but its definitely accurate enough to get a good idea of what’s popular and what isn’t.
 

HardReset

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The survey is the best we’ve got. Obviously it’s not perfect but its definitely accurate enough to get a good idea of what’s popular and what isn’t.
Popularity of Radeon HD 8800 series proves that nobody cares about 10 year old GeForce cards but 10 year old Radeons are still used heavily. It proves that Radeon cards are useful much longer than Nvidia cards.
 

Targonis

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I can tell this is going to be another fun thread. The AMD set will be screaming "we told you so". Which is the opposite of the chant before, that went something like, "those survey aren't anywhere near accurate" Which will now change to something along the lines of, "those surveys are more accurate than an atomic clock"..
Everyone who knows the industry knows that the Steam survey isn't given out to every computer, so it is random luck which computers see the survey and which ones do not. I managed to get a Radeon 6800 non-XT back in February, and haven't seen a survey pop up. I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1800X to a Ryzen 9 3900X in 2019, and don't think I've seen a survey pop up for me since I did that upgrade either.

Think about all those people out there, they upgrade a CPU or GPU...and many have NEVER gotten a Steam Survey pop up. It isn't even done based on geographic area either, so in some cases, you might see more of this or that, because Internet cafes in China suddenly had a pop-up.

Steam should just have EVERY machine report once a month, with an option in the program that allows for an opt-out. That would make the Steam survey actually mean something. As it stands, Steam Survey should be seen as being as accurate as some Fox News poll showing how Democrats feel about this or that.
 

Lionvibez

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What percentage of PC gamers who own a dedicated GPU haven’t installed steam? Id say less than 1%. But sure we don’t know. There could be millions of Radeon owners out there who just love the epic games store and hate Steam! :joy:.

The survey is the best we’ve got. Obviously it’s not perfect but its definitely accurate enough to get a good idea of what’s popular and what isn’t.
And what about those that use the epic game store only and not stream I have a few friends already on that list they do count also. My point being the steam survery is not the be all end all of metrics.
 

Targonis

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And what about those that use the epic game store only and not stream I have a few friends already on that list they do count also.
So, they are poor and only play games they have gotten for free from the EGS? Very few people would choose the EGS if not for the free games or games that are really cheap that show up.
 

Lionvibez

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So, they are poor and only play games they have gotten for free from the EGS? Very few people would choose the EGS if not for the free games or games that are really cheap that show up.
You are making a very big assumption about random people you don't know. Is it really necessary to show their salaries? They are far from poor and probably make more money than everyone posting in this thread. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer buying Highend gpu's the market is large and covers many area's. Its like you guys have this tunnel vision for Steam.
 

captaincranky

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Still, if ya got a billion bucks to blow, what better to spend it on? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I'd buy a home in a gated community, and an F-16. But then, I've always been pretty much of a spendthrift. :rolleyes:

On a more realistic note, AMDs chips were trash for the better part of a decade. AMD had to wait for other companies to develop the narrow processes that would support their designs.

If you ask me, AMD's chips "unsold themselves", and Intel pissed its money away..

I notice you weren't here during the "AMD's garbage works better as a space heater", years.
 
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captaincranky

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Everyone who knows the industry knows that the Steam survey isn't given out to every computer, so it is random luck which computers see the survey and which ones do not. I managed to get a Radeon 6800 non-XT back in February, and haven't seen a survey pop up. I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1800X to a Ryzen 9 3900X in 2019, and don't think I've seen a survey pop up for me since I did that upgrade either.
Still, ya gotta admit, my OP really got this thread rollin', didn't it?

It was intended to be in topic "click bait". So, what can I say besides, "gotcha"?
 

Avro Arrow

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Windows 11, is enough to convince me that all of these "big three", (Intel, M$, and AMD) have gotten together to plan a planned obsolescence conspiracy, in executive washrooms around the globe.
Honestly, I think that Microsoft is the culprit. They don't want to be making drivers for older CPUs. Ryzen 1000 had the opposite problem in that it wasn't compatible with Windows 7 or 8, only Windows 10 (which pissed me off because I like Windows 7).
Accordingly, I expect I'll be taking the Ivy rig to my grave, and just hang out here for the "lively discussions"
Ah, for what you do, it's probably fine. High-end gaming and CPU-intensive productivity workloads are what drive CPU innovation and advancement. Hell, for general computer use, my mother still uses a Phenom II X4 940 that I gave her years ago with a Radeon HD 6450 and it's fine. :laughing:
 
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Lew Zealand

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For those who didn't want to sully their dirty little fingers in the Steam "data", here's what "people" did with their PCs last month:

3.87% dumped W7 for W10, an exact switch.
3% decided that 16GB was wrong and traded it for more (1.3%) or less, like 8GB (0.8%). yeah
2% traded 6 cores for 8 (1.25%) or 4 (0.5%). also yeah.
3% traded in their 1060 and 2060 for a few things, led by the 1650 and "AMD Radeon Graphics". more yeah.
2.7% of 6GB VRAM owners removed said VRAM for the advantages of 4GB, 1GB, and 2GB. yup.
Monitor size changes were pretty minimal with a few going from 1080p to 4K and 768p.

And of course the biggie that explains everything:

5.5% of people decided that speaking Chinese just wasn't working out and mostly switched to English (4%)

Geopolitical upheaval?!? Or crap data. Hmmm what to decide...
 

Avro Arrow

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Still, if ya got a billion bucks to blow, what better to spend it on? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I'd buy a home in a gated community, and an F-16. But then, I've always been pretty much of a spendthrift. :rolleyes:
Oh yeah, an F-16 Fighting Falcon is soooooo thrifty! REAL spendthrifts who are looking for their own fighter jet get F-5s or MiG-21s.

Mister Fancy-Pants here with his F-16 indeed! 🤣 :laughing: 🤣
 

Sausagemeat

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And what about those that use the epic game store only and not stream I have a few friends already on that list they do count also. My point being the steam survery is not the be all end all of metrics.
Nobody ever said the steam survey was the “be all and end all”.

The data is clearly accurate enough to give you a rough idea of what is popular and what isn’t. Your anecdotal evidence to the contrary means literally nothing.
 

Lounds

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The steam hardware survey is the best data we have for finding who is using what hardware to play games on PCs with. Unless anyone can provide any other reliable sources of data.

I know the AMD cheerleaders on here all think the survey is flawed because their beloved Radeons show up in tiny numbers and that there is a secret conspiracy to crush AMD hatched by Valve for reasons unknown. But the fact is Radeon is just unpopular because it’s crap.
Radeon is crap that's why it's been used in the last 2 Generations of Xbox and Playstation consoles...ok
 

Avro Arrow

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I can tell this is going to be another fun thread. The AMD set will be screaming "we told you so". Which is the opposite of the chant before, that went something like, "those survey aren't anywhere near accurate" Which will now change to something along the lines of, "those surveys are more accurate than an atomic clock"..
Well you know me and you know that I don't BS. I said that I don't know how accurate Steam surveys are but they're better than nothing. While I do only use AMD hardware it's because I hate Intel and nVidia not because I'm a fanboy of AMD, it's just because.... they're the only option left for someone who doesn't want blue or green in their rig. If VIA was still being sold here, I'd be checking them out too.

I don't think that the upticks and downticks right now are because of perception, mindshare or popularity. I think that the numbers are changing based completely on current availability.
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Sausagemeat

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Radeon is crap that's why it's been used in the last 2 Generations of Xbox and Playstation consoles...ok
The consoles use different APIs to the desktop cards. And that’s where AMD fails the hardest - software support. AMD have clearly prioritised consoles over desktop cards. Game developers also neglect Radeon users on PC they represent a minority of users. Console users get better ray tracing support than Radeon desktop users. Control has better ray tracing on XSX/PS5 than it does on a 6800XT!

Although the last time I checked the consoles weren’t exactly graphical powerhouses.
 
Gee, after 17,000 post in 15 years they haven't yet. You can ignore me all you want. In fact, put me on your ignore list.

What always fascinates me is, that when someone doesn't agree with, or like someone, it's always the other person who's "the troll"..
I would say some would likely consider you a troll just in you being a bit disingenuous by calling them "crap". The current AMD GPUs do what the bulk of people expect of them, and frequently beat Nvidia's offerings at resolutions that most people game at, for less power consumption. I think Nvidia is a crap company, that makes decent products. I just choose not to support companies that frequently and blatantly exhibit anti-consumer practices, when an alternative exists for my need. I'll never need an Apple product in my life for example. Just because AMD doesn't check all your personal boxes doesn't make them objectively "crap".
 

Guberian

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The steam hardware survey is the best data we have for finding who is using what hardware to play games on PCs with. Unless anyone can provide any other reliable sources of data.

I know the AMD cheerleaders on here all think the survey is flawed because their beloved Radeons show up in tiny numbers and that there is a secret conspiracy to crush AMD hatched by Valve for reasons unknown. But the fact is Radeon is just unpopular because it’s crap.
That moment when gaming cafes have literally an entire room of Nvidia GPU's. Yes this is completely all individual gamers buying and nobody else.
 

Irata

Posts: 1,808   +3,042
Still, if ya got a billion bucks to blow, what better to spend it on? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I'd buy a home in a gated community, and an F-16. But then, I've always been pretty much of a spendthrift. :rolleyes:

On a more realistic note, AMDs chips were trash for the better part of a decade. AMD had to wait for other companies to develop the narrow processes that would support their designs.

If you ask me, AMD's chips "unsold themselves", and Intel pissed its money away..

I notice you weren't here during the "AMD's garbage works better as a space heater", years.
By the time Intel paid Dell - and pretty much all other OEM along with major retailers, benchmark providers…. to not carry / support AMD CPU, Athlon were superior to Intel‘s offerings - all the way from Pentium 3 days until the first Core series were released.

Guess what happens when a company has a superior product but they are blocked from selling it ? They become cash starved. The effects of that - less money to invest in R&D, marketing, fabs (AMD used to have their own) and in the end that leads to the ‚trash‘ chips you are referring to. All quite logical unless you conveniently leave that period out.
 

cuerdc

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Have no issues with amd my build is ryzen/radeon due to bang for buck performs brilliantly at 1080. Looking for a new monitor but prices are just as bad as the graphics cards.
 

captaincranky

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Popularity of Radeon HD 8800 series proves that nobody cares about 10 year old GeForce cards but 10 year old Radeons are still used heavily. It proves that Radeon cards are useful much longer than Nvidia cards.
You tend to skew data in a way that could almost be described as, "deranged".

The fact that these older cards are in use merely indicates that their owners haven't succumbed to needing, "super duper, ultra ultimate, maximum fantastic, be all, end all, ray tracing performance", on 4K monitors.

More people likely play, "Candy Crush", on their stupid phones than use Nvidia and Radeon cards combined. But it's a "deranged" and meaningless data comparison.

If you said that 'Nvidia owners are likely way more addicted to gaming than owners of older Radeon cards", that might make some semblance of sense...or are simply poorer.
 
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captaincranky

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I would say some would likely consider you a troll just in you being a bit disingenuous by calling them "crap". The current AMD GPUs do what the bulk of people expect of them, and frequently beat Nvidia's offerings at resolutions that most people game at, for less power consumption. I think Nvidia is a crap company, that makes decent products. I just choose not to support companies that frequently and blatantly exhibit anti-consumer practices, when an alternative exists for my need. I'll never need an Apple product in my life for example. Just because AMD doesn't check all your personal boxes doesn't make them objectively "crap".
I'm not sure it was me who called Radeon cards "crap", but if you want to isolate me saying that, I guess I'll have to cop to it.

Maybe we should ask the crypto miners who have to buy entire power plants to support their habit, which they prefer.

IIRC, Radeon GPUs tended to dim the room lights when they kicked in. Why some extremely rude individuals even referred to them derisively as "space heaters".

Ideals are wonderful things to stubbornly cling to, but these days, it seems like worshiping Satan (Nvidia), is more rewarding
 
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