AMD CEO Lisa Su says TSMC chips made in the US cost up to 20% more - but they're worth it

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What just happened? AMD boss Lisa Su has confirmed something that we've been hearing for years now: buying chips from TSMC's US plants will be 5-20% more expensive than purchasing the same silicon from its Taiwan fabs. But Su added that AMD expects its first chips from TSMC's Arizona facilities by the end of the year, and that the extra expense is worth it.

Speaking in an interview with Bloomberg Television after her appearance at an AI event in Washington, Su highlighted the increased price of US-made TSMC chips compared to those from its Taiwan factories.

It's no secret that building and running a cutting-edge fab costs more in the US, especially during the initial start-up period. People, concrete, permits, and the whole supporting ecosystem are pricier and less mature than in Taiwan, meaning a higher per-wafer cost.

But Su says that paying the extra money is worth it as it means AMD is diversifying the crucial supply of chips. This will make the semiconductor industry less vulnerable to the type of disruption it experienced during the pandemic-induced chip crisis.

"We have to consider resiliency in the supply chain," she said. "We learned that in the pandemic."

Su also said that the yield rates of TSMC's Arizona plants were already comparable to its fabs in Taiwan.

We heard back in January that TSMC's Arizona fab was already producing AMD Ryzen 9000 chips. The company also confirmed in April that the fifth-generation Epyc Turin chips had been "brought up and validated" in Phoenix, though volume shipments aren't expected until later this year.

Su told Bloomberg that the first customer-shippable lots from Arizona are expected by the end of the year, suggesting the Ryzen 9000 and Epyc Turin chips are the only AMD products being made at TSMC's US facilities right now.

Reports of TSMC charging considerably more for its US-made chips stretch back to 2023 – at that time, the estimate was 30% more.

In April last year, TSMC CEO C. C. Wei said microchips produced outside of Taiwan, including those in the US and Germany, would incur higher manufacturing costs, citing factors such as construction costs, operational expenditures, labor negotiations, and other related factors.

However, an interesting study by Techinsights in March appeared to debunk these claims. While it found that employees cost 200 percent more in the US, modern, fully automated chip manufacturing plants don't need many staff. The bottom line, according to the study, was that TSMC needs to spend just 10% more to process a 300mm chip wafer in Arizona than in Taiwan.

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What that really means is that they cost 10% more and AMD can increase their margins by a further 10% by saying they're American made.

Eh, considering I only buy a new CPU every 3-4 years, I can deal with 20% knowing it's made in the US. 90% of what I buy is used server hardware and I doubt this will impact that, at least not for several years
 
5-20% will be worth it to the industry for the additional volume alone. The AI hyperscalers are vacuuming up everything coming out of a TSMC fab with healthy margins, paying a 20% premium on the finished die before packaging and assembly is noise in the signal at this point. Hell, some consumer hardware may even fall in price if the supply stabilizes somewhat despite higher wafer costs.
 
It's also worth it because it moves production out of Taiwan. Aside from the whole Chinese issue, imagine if Taiwan was hit by a tsunami or earthquake that crippled the country for months. That'd be like having allt he tire producing factories in the world being in one town in tornado alley. Having 99% of your High Power Processing Nodes on one island is a really, REALLY bad idea, and TSMC has come around to that issue.

IMO its also dumb to keep shipping things across the massive pacific ocean.
What that really means is that they cost 10% more and AMD can increase their margins by a further 10% by saying they're American made.

Eh, considering I only buy a new CPU every 3-4 years, I can deal with 20% knowing it's made in the US. 90% of what I buy is used server hardware and I doubt this will impact that, at least not for several years
I go even longer, I rocked Ivy Bridge for 7 years and if I wasnt hungry for that NVMe tech I could have gotten a few more out of it. It still works great as my file server.

My plan is to get a decade out of my 5800x3d. So far it does great, only reason I'd change now is if I went through with my mini PC plans. We'll see how that ends up. An 8L PC with a 4070 and a 265kf is very tempting.
 
Most people will not be willing to pay more for it simply because it's made in the US. However, that could allow it to avoid US tariffs (even though it might actually be getting sent back to Taiwan for finishing before coming back to the US, it could still be made exempt from US tariffs). It also creates better supply chain resiliency (which is related to tariffs but isn't only about tariffs).
 
So labor costs are 200 percent higher but headcount barely matters because these fabs basically run themselves. We're paying extra for the vibes and the ZIP code at this point.
 
Were you in a coma during the pandemic?
To be fair is IS the second most common argument used by those against industrialization, right after claiming that labor costs make it impossible to make anything domestically, and no, they do not realize that this argument undermines their last one.
 
Glad it is up and running! Eventually, China will do something to either cut off, or invade Taiwan. Xi wants Taiwan back in the "mainland" China rule. Either that or he will cut them off...but "provide safety & security" for Taiwan with a hands off approach...like they did with Hong Kong. Remember how well that worked out?
Having multiple sources for chips can only be considered a GOOD thing.
 
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