AMD cites high demand, not paper launch, for Ryzen 5000 series shortage

Boshum

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'When asked if AMD implemented a plan to prevent bots from interfering with the Zen 3 launch, Azor said they did make a strong effort that succeeded in many cases."

Total BS. Other than making real customers happy, AMD, NVidia, and retailers have no incentive to stop BOTs from buying up the inventory. As long as they make the sale who cares.

Here is an idea. Limit 1 per payment method / shipping address for the first week or so.

No it's not BS. AMD doesn't control the retailers.
 

Kosmoz

Posts: 375   +678
I'm tired of seeing the same article on every tech site and the article is wrong!

I'll just quote myself from another site:

This is not a paper launch, this is not nvidia Ampere fiasco. America is not the whole world. When Ampere launched, a lot of Europe had no stock... this is not the case at all now with Ryzen 5000.

I just checked again right now (just one store) and in my country there still is availability for 5600x, 5800x and 5950x. Only the 5900x is out of stock in that store. So no, this is not a paper launch. And their prices are very close to MSRP, as close as possible for EU and a launch of a new product.

If AMD continues to supply in the coming weeks it will further confirm it is not a paper launch. Just because the demand is higher than their production/delivery capacity does not mean it's a paper launch.

 

KaitouX

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It seems like the biggest issue is that North America got lower stock than usual, while the rest of the world got pretty decent stock for the most part, so basically it's the other way around compared to the usual launches which probably makes it look worse for people there.
As far as I have seen, many countries had great stock, with shops showing great numbers, including Mindfactory(Germany) saying that it was the best CPU launch ever, and that they sold thousands of CPUs in a few hours.
 

Peter Farkas

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I doubt even be Xmas I'll be able to buy 5900X and 6800XT any where near close to RRP if they are even available. I'll bet it'll still be bad in 3 months.
I don't think any of us will be able to buy ryzen 5000 series or Radeon 6000 series product around the RRP this year.
I got so mad that even the ryzen 3600 has inflated price in my country. That was enough for me and I decided to buy a 10400F and hoping I can swap my RTX 2060 Gaming Z with an RTX 3070 before the holidays.

over here prices are (10th Nov):
Ryzen 5600X - $395
Ryzen 3600 - $230
i5-10400F - $165
 

m3tavision

Posts: 677   +443
Pretty much.

How many Ryzen 5xxx units were available the first day, the first week, the first month?
How many RTX 3xxx units were available the first day, the first week, the first month?

Show me the numbers!

Ryzen 5000 = 25k+ 1st week of sales
RTX 30 = 9k sold over 1 month period.

TSMC doesn't have node issues, while nVidia's RTX 30 is not even done and was rushed out the door (per Jensen Huang) and needs a new stepping. Not Samsung's fault...



 

hahahanoobs

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I was watching the stock on launch day I work from home so I was literally just sitting there refreshing the screen every few mins. And they barely had any stock at all stores and what was there was gone fairly quickly basically in like an hour. I'm not in a rush to get one and since I usually just go in-store and pickup not an issue for me.

We will see this same process for the GPU's just the way things are this year.

Canada computer also had different prices day 1 and day 2.

They are my go to store so I was not impressed!
I saw that too. 5600X was $399 until stock ran out then $419. Newegg went all in at $449. F that!
 

Theinsanegamer

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Ryzen 5000 = 25k+ 1st week of sales
RTX 30 = 9k sold over 1 month period.

TSMC doesn't have node issues, while nVidia's RTX 30 is not even done and was rushed out the door (per Jensen Huang) and needs a new stepping. Not Samsung's fault...
It's also worth noting that the GA102 die is significantly larger then a zen chiplet. Even with better yields the number of chips/wafer on GA102 is going to be WAY lower. Same thing for GF110, TU102, ece.
 

poohbear

Posts: 641   +556
It would be nice if AMD quoted the number of CPU that were available at launch (even roughly).
Now, they don‘t have to, but saying „It wasn‘t a paper launch, we had x number of units available on launch day“ is more convincing.
Actually, as a publicly traded company they have to. Lets look at their next quarterly report due in January, then we'll know if it was really a supply or demand issue. Nvidia reports next week, so we'll know about their situation then.
 

yeeeeman

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Explanation is multifaceted.
first because of pandemic shipping is much slower and in general stocks are made back up much slower.
second there are people that buy 10s or 100s of cpus at once to sell them later on with higher prices.
and amd doesn't have not nearly enough workforce/output for the amount of success they have. Sure, they need to adjust their own view about themselves but it takes too long now. Zen 1/+/Zen2 all had this issue.
 

Avro Arrow

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Nonsense! How difficult can it be to limit the number of products sold on a single credit/debit card? Sell just one product, and it will make 99.9% of legitimate buyers happy.
The problem in this case is that AMD isn't selling these direct. If newegg, amazon, etc. won't implement these measures, what can AMD do? Tell their biggest customers that they won't be selling to them? Yeah, let's see if that goes over well. With nVidia, the situation was different because nVidia was selling cards right off of their website and they COULD have implemented these measures.

This won't last anyway because it's a LOT faster to build a CPU than a full video card. Production speed should mitigate the problem.

The biggest issue we face is the fact that people are willing to pay the scalpers' prices on eBay. If those fools didn't exist, the scalpers would have no market. Corporate marketing has programmed many people to be consumerist fools.
 
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Avro Arrow

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"There's a big difference between a "paper launch" and shipping tons of units but demand exceeds supply."

Canada Computers typically uses "10+" when showing stock above 10.
I noticed Ryzen 5000 CPU's stock showed as "5+" Canada-wide.
Yep, and as of yesterday afternoon, only their Richmond Hill location had a single R5-5600X. That beats nVidia's record already because at least a store had one in the afternoon instead of selling out completely in less than a minute.
 

Avro Arrow

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I saw that too. 5600X was $399 until stock ran out then $419. Newegg went all in at $449. F that!
The R5-5600X for $400 was a good price but I noticed that Canada Computers has been pulling some pricing "shenanigans" as well. I bought my R5-3600X in July for $300 from them. The selling price of the R5-5600X is now $420 (as you said) but they're trying to claim that the R5-3600X's regular selling price is $330!

So, now the R5-3600X is a "bargain" at $310?! It's pretty clear that something has gone wrong because how else could the regular price of the 3600X be 10% more after the R5-5600X launch than it was back in July when I bought mine?

There's something rotten in Richmond Hill.
 
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dansharp2014

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'When asked if AMD implemented a plan to prevent bots from interfering with the Zen 3 launch, Azor said they did make a strong effort that succeeded in many cases."

Total BS. Other than making real customers happy, AMD, NVidia, and retailers have no incentive to stop BOTs from buying up the inventory. As long as they make the sale who cares.

Here is an idea. Limit 1 per payment method / shipping address for the first week or so.
I agree but would take it one step further. Boycott e-bay sellers and leave THEM with an overstock issue.
 

Avro Arrow

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It seems like the biggest issue is that North America got lower stock than usual, while the rest of the world got pretty decent stock for the most part, so basically it's the other way around compared to the usual launches which probably makes it look worse for people there.
As far as I have seen, many countries had great stock, with shops showing great numbers, including Mindfactory(Germany) saying that it was the best CPU launch ever, and that they sold thousands of CPUs in a few hours.
It could be that but I have a feeling that it's also the fact that there was far more demand in North America than other places because that's where PC parts tend to be A LOT less expensive to buy. It's also where consumerism runs the most rampant because Europeans tend to be less materialistic.
 
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