AMD could launch Ryzen 7 9800X3D early to steal Arrow Lake's thunder

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Rumor mill: AMD finds itself in a bit of a pickle with its latest Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" desktop processors. The chips, built on the new Zen 5 architecture, failed to deliver the gaming performance uplift over the previous generation Ryzen 7000 series that AMD had hoped for. With poor sales numbers and Intel's Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" CPUs looming, Team Red seems to be scrambling to accelerate the launch of at least one model from its Ryzen 9000X3D lineup.

Hardware leaker Harukaze5719 just shared some screenshots of a Chiphell forum discussion about the upcoming X3D lineup. One user claimed that during a Gigabyte press conference, AMD representatives revealed that the company has only the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Ryzen 9 9900X3D, and Ryzen 9 9950X3D lined up for the next several months.

However, the three won't be released together. AMD is reportedly targeting a late October release for the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, the successor to the popular Ryzen 7 7800X3D, instead of the originally planned early 2025 launch window. The other two are being pushed back to Q1/Q2 2025 due to "some new features."

1. R7 9800X3D end of Octoberhttps://t.co/5OLmNK4YIw

2. Info from GIGABYTE X870 conference?https://t.co/eOohQsoHTa

3. R7 9800X3D cannot be overclockedhttps://t.co/8D6oTsFz5p pic.twitter.com/C7ZKuJjDu7

– í¬ìÂÂí¬ì (@harukaze5719) September 25, 2024

This means the 9800X3D will be the sole X3D option on the market for a while before the pricier duo lands. The strategy is unique since AMD launched the higher-end parts first with the Ryzen 7000X3D.

With Intel set to launch its Arrow Lake "Core Ultra 200" series on October 24, the 9800X3D will arrive on time to steal some of Team Blue's thunder.

When AMD first unveiled Zen 5, it confirmed that the new CPU chiplets were prepared at the silicon level for 3D V-cache. But at the same time, the non-X3D Ryzen 9 7900X was expected to get relatively close to the 7800X3D's gaming benchmarks. That dream wasn't realized, so AMD's hand is seemingly forced early on the 9800X3D.

As for the touted "new features" on Ryzen 9 9900X3D and Ryzen 9 9950X3D, the rumor is that AMD will be doing something different than just adding 3D cache, with the aim of tempting buyers who want both gaming and productivity performance to rival Intel's Core Ultra flagship. There are no concrete details on what they might be, but dual 3D cache chiplets seem like a reasonable guess.

Another Chiphell forum user replied that the Ryzen 7 9800X3D purportedly lacks overclocking support.

Of course, rumors from these forums don't always pan out, so a dose of skepticism is advised until official word from AMD.

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AMD could launch Ryzen 7 9800X3D early to steal Arrow Lake's thunder

 

[Hom3r]

This is great news. I need to upgrade my PC this year or next. I can't wait for 9800X3D vs 265K reviews. I am not paying more than 4-500 dollars for a CPU so it is going to be between these two I guess.

I was hyped for 9700X release, but reviews are simply too bad. I hope 3D V-Cache can fix this Zen 5 mess!!

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Hopefully it's actually faster than the 7800x3D.

 

[Hom3r]

Hopefully it's actually faster than the 7800x3D.

Ofc it will be, or there would be no point.

Several Youtubers and Leakers expect a 400-600 MHz bump in clockspeeds!! Maybe OC is possible too.

This could mean 5.0-5.2 GHz all-core clocks in games with possible even higher single thread boost and is about a 10-15% increase.

7800X3D already has low availability. Production probably stopped several months ago to make room for this 9800X3D.

I might still buy 7800X3D if it gets back in stock for lower price!! If not then 9800X3D or Intel 265K for me!!

 

[redgarl]

This is great news. I need to upgrade my PC this year or next. I can't wait for 9800X3D vs 265K reviews. I am not paying more than 4-500 dollars for a CPU so it is going to be between these two I guess.

I was hyped for 9700X release, but reviews are simply too bad. I hope 3D V-Cache can fix this Zen 5 mess!!

Buying a CPU for gaming at 1080p in CPU bottleneck with a 4090...

wow...

 

[Puiu]

If they push the clock speed to 5.4-5.5GHz (up from the 5GHz of the 7800X3D), then, even without any IPC increase, it will firmly top the charts.

 

[Hom3r]

Buying a CPU for gaming at 1080p in CPU bottleneck with a 4090...

wow...

I am playing at 1440p 360 Hz yo!

And I am using a 4070 Ti SUPER!

 

[Hom3r]

If they push the clock speed to 5.4-5.5GHz (up from the 5GHz of the 7800X3D), then, even without any IPC increase, it will firmly top the charts.

I doubt they can reach this high with 3D cache, but sure, give it to me! My wallet is ready.

7800X3D did not hold 5 GHz in games tho, actual clock speed was closer to 4.5 than 5.0!

9800X3D might be able to deliver best of both worlds - High clockspeeds and 3D cache - Give it to me, please.

 

[RaXelliX]

7800X3D already has low availability. Production probably stopped several months ago to make room for this 9800X3D.

Production has not stopped. Just the demand from those were disappointed in Zen 5 is driving the sales and demand. Even 5800X3D production is still going.

 

[Jack77]

The launch better be flawless.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Production has not stopped. Just the demand from those were disappointed in Zen 5 is driving the sales and demand. Even 5800X3D production is still going.

5800X3D no longer listed at Canada's biggest computer store.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/search/results_details.php?keywords=7800x3d&spelling=5800x3d

 

[Felusy]

Production has not stopped. Just the demand from those were disappointed in Zen 5 is driving the sales and demand. Even 5800X3D production is still going.

7800X3D is in low stock everywhere, yes production has stopped. 9800X3D takes over.

5800X3D is EOL. AM4 is dead at this point, 5800X3D was peak AM4 for gaming but vastly slower than 7800X3D in games. It is on Intel 12th gen level tops overall.

5700X3D took over and replaced 5800X3D offering better value with almost identical performance.

No AM4 chip is considered high-end these days.

Or did you believe AMDs marketing with 5900XT beating 13700K in gaming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1ejsm57

13700K destroys the chip in gaming.

And this is why you read 3rd party reviews and don't listen to marketing slides.

 

[zamroni111]

Production has not stopped. Just the demand from those were disappointed in Zen 5 is driving the sales and demand. Even 5800X3D production is still going.

I guess they are from warehouse stock not new production.

 

[HardReset]

I guess they are from warehouse stock not new production.

Yeah, manufacturing CPU takes around 3-4 months plus packing. Also because starting manufacturing is pretty expensive, manufacturers build some extra chips and excess ones are sold for discount. Since Ryzens and Epycs use same CCD die, only IO die is one that must be for Ryzens only. Since Zen 4 and Zen 5 share same IO die and Zen 4 CCD and 3D V-cache chip production for Epycs is probably still ongoing, Zen 4 production is still going. As for 5800X3D, probably some Epycs are still made so main question is when AMD runs out of IO dies.