I was wondering why there is no 9700X 105W TDP for comparison. In gaming mode, there might not be much of an increase in performance, but for productivity benchmarks, there will definitely be a difference. At the very least, it will run at 5.2GHz+ for all-core workloads. Hmm!
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review: The New Gaming CPU King
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m3tavision
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Will be dropping one (9800X3d) into my 2+ year old AM4 Hero board, replacing my 7700x. I expect at least 15% increase in frames for my XTX.
win/win....
All those disgruntled people who were building a 12th gen rig when I was building my AM5 rig are probably huffing copium right now...
win/win....
All those disgruntled people who were building a 12th gen rig when I was building my AM5 rig are probably huffing copium right now...
Why? AM4 care a year later than 12th gen anyways, but who is stopping them from upgrading?
PierreJG
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The King has Returned. If you look at the first Ryzen to the latest, It feels like AMD has taken leaps when it comes to gaming. We all have to give credit to Intel as they did really great in productivity but when it comes to gaming, it feels like Intel hit a brick wall. I don't really like their architecture tbh when it comes to gaming but a 9 series cpu that lose to a 7 series does tell a story. I doubt you will find the 9800x3d for MSRP but even so, it still makes it cheaper than the 14900k
m3tavision
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Bcz they are stuck on LGA1700 and have no upgrade path.
The question is WHY do you always quote or refute/argue this.?
I know the lack of LGA1700's longevity upsets you, but I have 3 gaming rigs and my Co-workers also 3-box MMOs and we all built new rigs throughout COVID and those who went iNTEL are regretting and taking flack nearly daily as iNTEL gaming chips today are faltering and themselves can't compete.
I understand that pointing that out makes a iNTEL fans salty/uneasy, but you can not argue that AM4 is 8 years old and you can still drop one of thee very fastest CPU's (5800X3D) in it to this day.
Hence myself, now going from a 2 year old AM5 Gaming rig from a 7700x to thee fastest gaming chip 9800X3D.
Chaikr
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12th gen buyer here. Don't regret for a single bit. When I bought my 12700k the am5 didn't even came out. The dollar was 15 cheaper and I had 100 free dollars to spend from credit card gifts. It took am5 a long time to sort out all it's bugs and quirks. As a person how upgrade parts only if it at least 100% more performance the longevity argument doesn't impress me.
What do you mean stuck my man? I have an LGA1700, Im definitely not stuck. In fact I just ordered a 9800x 3d. Buying an LGA1700 doesn't make you sign a NDA you know, you can buy whatever you want afterwards.
The 5800x 3d is definitely not one of the three fastest CPUs. This review has it at the bottom of the chart mind you. Losing to eg. the much much much cheaper 7600x....
Well, it's your lucky day. Once I receive the 9800x 3d im going to be comparing exactly that. Both memory tuned - stock chips. According to this review, the 9800x 3d is 45% faster than the 12900k in Cyberpunk. Here is my 12900k, next week im going to be testing the 9800x 3d. Be ready
Starfals
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It's a good new CPU but here are my big issues atm.
1- Its 750 euro in my country. I can buy a 7800X3D (as of right now) for 400 bucks. Even with the so called outage. In fact, it even went down to like 350 bucks. If they kept it at 350.. vs 480. It would have been a crazy hard to decide... even harder if you see if the current 750 price.
2- Huge power consumption compared to 7800X3D. Its not even funny. In many cases, its double. Is it still under 200? Ye? Is it still almost nothing in comparison to Intel? Yep... so? Increase of double is still horrible. I got -40 undervolt on my 7800X3D, it rarely goes above 40W during gaming lol. For work, its around 65-70W with max PBO. Max PBO for the new CPU makes it go to almost 160..
Think about it. 70 to 156. Massive, and for what? 20-30% more performance for work? Cool.. 8-10% more in gaming? I somehow dont think its a good trade off... Perhaps next gen stuff will be more exciting, or perhaps 7800X3D is REALLY impressive and hard to beat.
1- Its 750 euro in my country. I can buy a 7800X3D (as of right now) for 400 bucks. Even with the so called outage. In fact, it even went down to like 350 bucks. If they kept it at 350.. vs 480. It would have been a crazy hard to decide... even harder if you see if the current 750 price.
2- Huge power consumption compared to 7800X3D. Its not even funny. In many cases, its double. Is it still under 200? Ye? Is it still almost nothing in comparison to Intel? Yep... so? Increase of double is still horrible. I got -40 undervolt on my 7800X3D, it rarely goes above 40W during gaming lol. For work, its around 65-70W with max PBO. Max PBO for the new CPU makes it go to almost 160..
Think about it. 70 to 156. Massive, and for what? 20-30% more performance for work? Cool.. 8-10% more in gaming? I somehow dont think its a good trade off... Perhaps next gen stuff will be more exciting, or perhaps 7800X3D is REALLY impressive and hard to beat.
m3tavision
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@ Strawman
LOL^
No you are no longer stuck, BECAUSE you bought a brand new AM5 mobo and are now going to rip your machine apart and replace all the cabling, cooler, CPU, etc...
BECAUSE iNTEL has no upgrade path for your 12th gen LGA1700 board.
Building a new system using the same case is not upgrading and shows you were in-fact stuck and had no upgrade path with your last purchase and now must jump ship.
LOL^
No you are no longer stuck, BECAUSE you bought a brand new AM5 mobo and are now going to rip your machine apart and replace all the cabling, cooler, CPU, etc...
BECAUSE iNTEL has no upgrade path for your 12th gen LGA1700 board.
Building a new system using the same case is not upgrading and shows you were in-fact stuck and had no upgrade path with your last purchase and now must jump ship.
If the 5090 is indeed a 50% improvement than we will probably see similar deltas one resolution higher.
Eldrach
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People claiming 9800 X3D doesn’t do anything at 1440p compared to say 5800 X3D are partially correct. If you run a midrange GPU (4070 for instance) at 1440p- a 5800 X3D will be able to feed your GPU just fine. If you’re thinking just a couple of months ahead - with the new Nvidia lineup, and you’re going to be looking at a 5090 like me - you’ll probably be facing scenarios where your gpu output is so high framerate wise that the cpu will bottleneck it in some games, fps games especially. If you have a 240hz monitor and run say ..Fortnite, you’ll hit the fps ceiling with an older cpu.
It’s all about the use cases. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade
It’s all about the use cases. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade
Im not going to take my machine apart, why would I do that? Im upgrading my 2ndary machine with a 3700x.
Bud you realize the brand new mobo cost me 100$. The 3d cost 570.
Thanks for your tests.
Saw all 3 9800x3d vids (as of this writing), but can you please test real 1440p (=no upscaling) in CS2, among other games?
You can, of course, also test real 4K (put in title: "real 4K" and/or "no upscaling"?) and with DLSS Quality, not Balanced (which, according to a quick search, internal resolution is only 2227 * 1253p).
Saw all 3 9800x3d vids (as of this writing), but can you please test real 1440p (=no upscaling) in CS2, among other games?
You can, of course, also test real 4K (put in title: "real 4K" and/or "no upscaling"?) and with DLSS Quality, not Balanced (which, according to a quick search, internal resolution is only 2227 * 1253p).
Burty117
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Unfortunately, my comment responding got removed, but I need to leave this here, hopefully, it answers your question on "why not test at higher resolutions":
m3tavision
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again^
You are further proving my point of how bad a choice it was for all those 12th/13th Gen Owners, when they in-fact could've just built either an AM4/AM5 rig and saved themselves embarrassment and tons of money.
And then you got people who will just tell you how much they love ripping their iNTEL boards and wiring out... just to get to a X3D chip. And that alone should be testament to how badly they chose and how great AMD's new AM5 platform is.
But it's the am4 machine im taking apart cause there is no good upgrade path for it. My lga1700 has an actually good upgrade path, better than anything on AM4. Man, whatever you are selling, im not buying. Go sell someplace else.
I'm not sure why people like you keep posting the same stuff ad nauseam, as if the same old trope about bottlenecking would answer our complaints about why the benchmarking is basically useless.
I also know that you read my comments on the same topic before, so I'm not gonna write it all up again. If you post in good faith but are still confused, read my old posts, I explain it quite in depth there (though it really is very simple)
Burty117
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So just to confirm, you've watched that Hardware Unboxed video and still feel the benchmarking is useless without higher resolutions being included?
Edit: That video is only 3 days old, so apologies if it was posted to you several times, I guess others watched it, understood it, and felt it was relavent to your questions.
Higher resolutions would only show that you probably really really don't need a new CPU, but that should be also be apparent from a 1080p benchmark. If your 12600k is getting 150 fps average (or whatever have you) then does it matter how much fps does the new shiny CPU gets? Just enjoy your 150 fps and move on I'd say.
There is nothing to read cause you are just flat out wrong. In the video posted at the 11 minute mark you can see how each cpu performs at 1080p. The 7600x scored an average of 149 fps. So if your GPU or your monitor can't push more than 150 fps you don't need a faster CPU. Period. Higher resolution testing won't tell you anything that isn't already obvious in a 1080p test.
I'd rather have a reviewer spend the time to test more games than to test multiple resolutions that are absolutely useless.
Burty117
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Oh I'm fully aware why its all done the way it is, I completely understand. It's the person I'm quoting that historically seems utterly confused by benchmarks.
I was wondering if he now understood after watching that Hardware Unboxed video, since it was created very specifically to that crowd that doesn't understand.
How to fight scalpers? Amazon has the 9800X3D although shipping in mid January at MSRP available for purchase.
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