AMD set to host RDNA 3 livestream event on November 3

[neeyik]

Hopefully, RDNA3 is not following the current trend of hot and power hungry.

The AD102 is a 76.3 billion transistor chip, clocked up to 2.5 GHz in the 4090. It was always going to have a high TDP.

For the 7900 XT, much will depend on the size of the chip and clock rates. The improvement that TSMC's N5 process has over N7 it primarily transistor density - power/speed gains are relatively small (15% performance for iso power or 20% power for iso performance).

So even with the use chiplets (generally expected to be for the memory controllers and L3 Infinity Cache), if AMD is pushing for another doubling of general performance, the central compute die is going to be a fairly hefty chip.

But if one follows the trend with the Navi 10 > Navi 21, when it went from a 10.3b chip at 225W (5900 XT) to a 26.8b chip at 300W (6900 XT) on the same process node (TSMC N7), there's a reasonable chance that the 7900 XT will be around 300 to 350W.

 

[Geralt]

The AD102 is a 76.3 billion transistor chip, clocked up to 2.5 GHz in the 4090. It was always going to have a high TDP.

For the 7900 XT, much will depend on the size of the chip and clock rates. The improvement that TSMC's N5 process has over N7 it primarily transistor density - power/speed gains are relatively small (15% performance for iso power or 20% power for iso performance).

So even with the use chiplets (generally expected to be for the memory controllers and L3 Infinity Cache), if AMD is pushing for another doubling of general performance, the central compute die is going to be a fairly hefty chip.

But if one follows the trend with the Navi 10 > Navi 21, when it went from a 10.3b chip at 225W (5900 XT) to a 26.8b chip at 300W (6900 XT) on the same process node (TSMC N7), there's a reasonable chance that the 7900 XT will be around 300 to 350W.

300 to 350W is tolerable. Thanks!

 

[Marco Mint]

There were big issues in the past and people remember those. Up to 500 series lots of bugs. RDNA got rid of some of them and RDNA2 have even less.
It's software after all, where every vendor still have issues. Some can be corrected and some depend on hardware.

Running AMD gpu's since 2013 (crossfire R9 290X's using water blocks was amazing). No real driver problems seen yet. I've said it before, but my 5700XT has been rock solid for the last 3 years, yet I'm still reading nonsense about 'driver issues' from random people.
I'm sure some of these are windows related. Just this week I went to play Doom 2016 and the game would hang and not start. Someone with less experience may automatically just assume it was gpu related, when it was in fact the Microsoft VC_redist.x64 that needed updating. The game worked just fine after.
There's a whole lot of people out there who are just clueless when it comes to solving problems like this and will automatically assume the wrong thing.

 

[takaozo]

Running AMD gpu's since 2013 (crossfire R9 290X's using water blocks was amazing). No real driver problems seen yet. I've said it before, but my 5700XT has been rock solid for the last 3 years, yet I'm still reading nonsense about 'driver issues' from random people.
I'm sure some of these are windows related. Just this week I went to play Doom 2016 and the game would hang and not start. Someone with less experience may automatically just assume it was gpu related, when it was in fact the Microsoft VC_redist.x64 that needed updating. The game worked just fine after.
There's a whole lot of people out there who are just clueless when it comes to solving problems like this and will automatically assume the wrong thing.

Let me tell you about my issues with AMD cards/drivers:
RX570 8GB
RDR2 - after exiting the game GPU power profile is stuck at max performance
PUBG - game loads intro cutscenes and display goes out of sync and then stand-by
Horizon Zero Dawn - trees tall as far you can see in the sky - artifacts
GTA online - textures loaded too slow when driving player falls under map
Cyberpunk 2077 - trees around map loaded first before buildings and other near objects that normal block the view of the trees

There are more but I can't remember all of them. Reported all of them using the bug report.

With all those crazy problems I still want to buy a Radeon card RDNA2 or 3 depending on the prices for new cards, because I don't want to feed Nvidia pockets any more.

If I think more I would buy Intel also if the prices are good.

Late edit: On the same system used for AMD card - i7 4790 and Asus Cs-B, I had no such issues with Gtx1060 and Rtx2060 on the same games same settings.

 

[Marco Mint]

Let me tell you about my issues with AMD cards/drivers:
RX570 8GB
RDR2 - after exiting the game GPU power profile is stuck at max performance
PUBG - game loads intro cutscenes and display goes out of sync and then stand-by
Horizon Zero Dawn - trees tall as far you can see in the sky - artifacts
GTA online - textures loaded too slow when driving player falls under map
Cyberpunk 2077 - trees around map loaded first before buildings and other near objects that normal block the view of the trees

There are more but I can't remember all of them. Reported all of them using the bug report.

With all those crazy problems I still want to buy a Radeon card RDNA2 or 3 depending on the prices for new cards, because I don't want to feed Nvidia pockets any more.

If I think more I would buy Intel also if the prices are good.

Late edit: On the same system used for AMD card - i7 4790 and Asus Cs-B, I had no such issues with Gtx1060 and Rtx2060 on the same games same settings.

I have a GTX680 that would randomly artifact and even go blackscreen mid game. Experience made me think it may be an electrical connection issue, so remounted the gpu a couple of times. No go. Took it out again and used a pencil eraser on the contacts and used contact cleaner on the gpu slot, still no go. Took it out a 2nd time and did the pencil eraser on contacts again. The gpu has worked fine ever since.
Sometimes we can get hardware problems too and it can appear to be software. This could be the gpu, motherboard, psu or memory related and look like it is something else that is the problem. I was sorting these things out for 20+ years, for myself and other people and these can be problematic to trace the real issue. It's like detective work.
All I can do is relate my own experiences and if there was a problem, I solved it.
I don't know what other peoples problems are, but myself and my friends having run these gpu's for many, many years and not having any problems at all tells me that either we're getting some special blessed drivers when we download them, or other people are having different problems disguised as driver issues.

 

[takaozo]

I guess it's more related to rest of the components and software installed.
Anyway I retired that GPU in full glory, sold to a miner for $400 last February. I think I got it for $120 in the first place, so it was a good return.

 

[Marco Mint]

I guess it's more related to rest of the components and software installed.
Anyway I retired that GPU in full glory, sold to a miner for $400 last February. I think I got it for $120 in the first place, so it was a good return.

Yeah, these problems can be a pita. Glad to see you had a positive outcome at the end of it all.

 

[vvtunes]

It's funny all this big news about RDNA3 when thare are still many people who buyed 5700/XT and 6000 series reporting drivers problems and bugs in games first fix the first generations to work like normal and then relase a new hardware ?

Maybe I'm lucky, but I haven't noticed any major problems affecting my reference 5700 (modded with XT bios) since I acquired it in November 2019. AMD has improved OpenGL and DirectX11 performance in recent driver versions, but the question that remains is why was it comparatively poor in the first place - unoptimised implementation perhaps?
I'm hoping this 7xxx generation finally catches up with Nvidia at least in the ray tracing front. DLSS 3 frame generation... that's just cheating . Tom Cruise is not happy:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/dec/05/tom-cruise-motion-smoothing-interpolation

 

[Avro Arrow]

Never said that, I always say about Radeons (up to rx500) just excellent hardware with shlt drivers for gaming at launch.

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the guy who started this whole thing with a really dumb post. Look at the post you responded to and look who that post itself was responding to. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about him. I've never seen you post anything stupid so you're cool in my book.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Running AMD gpu's since 2013 (crossfire R9 290X's using water blocks was amazing). No real driver problems seen yet. I've said it before, but my 5700XT has been rock solid for the last 3 years, yet I'm still reading nonsense about 'driver issues' from random people.
I'm sure some of these are windows related.

Mine was definitely hardware and definitely not drivers because I was getting power-resets and drivers can't do that. I'm sure that it had to be a power distribution problem in the card itself. The way I proved that it wasn't drivers is that I took my RX 5700 XT out and just dropped an R9 Fury back in without changing the driver package. Suddenly, everything was rock-solid again. The fact that XFX replaced my Triple Dissipation with a THICC-III tells me that it was most likely a problem with the Triple Dissipation model.

Just this week I went to play Doom 2016 and the game would hang and not start. Someone with less experience may automatically just assume it was gpu related, when it was in fact the Microsoft VC_redist.x64 that needed updating. The game worked just fine after.

Yeah, that would do it!

There's a whole lot of people out there who are just clueless when it comes to solving problems like this and will automatically assume the wrong thing.

Yep, they're called "nVidia owners".