AMD unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs, debuts new Zen 5 architecture

[Strawman]

I'm pretty sure that making general statements based on a game or two is not normal.

As I've shown, the CPUs are all stacked close to each other in TLOU, what exactly is your point? We are measuring differences of 5FPS in this title and we need to have a huge discussion on how because of this title every other game benchmark is not needed anymore?

I can play the "in this title" comment game too. can your tweaked 12900k beat the stock 7800x3D in: A Plague Tale: Requiem, Hogwarts Legacy, Baldur's Gate 3, Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Assassin's Creed Mirage, Watch Dogs: Legion?

They are bunched close together cause the run is GPU bound. Mine isn't, im using DLSS.

Regarding your second paragraph, that's exactly what im testing right now. Me and my friends have gathered a 5800x 3d, a 7800x 3d, a 12900k and a 14700k and testing. Up to this point the 5800x 3d seems completely out of the competition, we measured up to 40% differences compared to my stock 12900k. Eg. Ratchet. I can give you the video

The only game it wins to this point by around 12% is Flight simulator.

 

[Puiu]

They are bunched close together cause the run is GPU bound. Mine isn't, im using DLSS.

Regarding your second paragraph, that's exactly what im testing right now. Me and my friends have gathered a 5800x 3d, a 7800x 3d, a 12900k and a 14700k and testing. Up to this point the 5800x 3d seems completely out of the competition, we measured up to 40% differences compared to my stock 12900k. Eg. Ratchet. I can give you the video

The only game it wins to this point by around 12% is Flight simulator.

Let me correct you: you measured a 40% difference in a very particular game and a very particular setup. We know from previous benchmarks on techspot that on average the 5800x3D is about 25% slower than the 7800x3d so you finding a game where you see 40% compared to Intel is not out of the question.

I can give you other examples where the 5800x3d is slow: Hogwarts Legacy, Baldur's Gate 3.

PS: Using DLSS does not scale linearly, especially at low resolutions. you are hitting other bottlenecks, not just raw crunching power of the GPU cores and CPU cores. in RDR2 I saw about a 10% improvement going from 1080p native to 1080p performance. it depends a lot on the game. it's why most reviewers have stopped using 720p.

 

[m3tavision]

And I quote:

" As for how all this new information changes our past reviews and recommendations, it doesn't. Gaming performance isn't significantly different from what we've shown in the past, nor is power efficiency. We still believe the 7800X3D is the better overall gaming CPU, especially in terms of value, given it costs just $340 right now – what a bargain.

The 14900K, on the other hand, costs considerably more at $550. While it is a much better productivity CPU, if that's what you're after, the 7950X3D might be worth considering, given it's recently dropped to just $500.


The point is we never really recommended the 14900K or 13900K to gamers, as they cost too much, use way too much power, run very hot, and the LGA 1700 platform has no future. They're by no means bad gaming CPUs; in fact, in terms of performance, they're very good. But with a part such as the 7800X3D costing much less and typically a bit faster, the choice has always been obvious.

AMD has also just announced extended AM5 support to 2027+, which is great news for those who have already invested in the platform. "

-TECHSPOT (6/18/24)

 

[Strawman]

Let me correct you: you measured a 40% difference in a very particular game and a very particular setup. We know from previous benchmarks on techspot that on average the 5800x3D is about 25% slower than the 7800x3d so you finding a game where you see 40% compared to Intel is not out of the question.

I can give you other examples where the 5800x3d is slow: Hogwarts Legacy, Baldur's Gate 3.

PS: Using DLSS does not scale linearly, especially at low resolutions. you are hitting other bottlenecks, not just raw crunching power of the GPU cores and CPU cores. in RDR2 I saw about a 10% improvement going from 1080p native to 1080p performance. it depends a lot on the game. it's why most reviewers have stopped using 720p.

Can you give me some examples where it's fast? Cause really at this point we are just trying to test all the games it excels at to give it a chance but it's not moving. We tried MSFS and that one was okay, we tried Requiem and yeah, not very good.

 

[Puiu]

Can you give me some examples where it's fast? Cause really at this point we are just trying to test all the games it excels at to give it a chance but it's not moving. We tried MSFS and that one was okay, we tried Requiem and yeah, not very good.

You are on techspot. Are you really that against their benchmarks that you can't check?
Here are some games known to play well with the 5800x3d: Horizon Zero Dawn, Assetto corsa competizione, Far Cry 6, Valorant, The Outer Worlds, Death Stranding, Factorio

 

[Strawman]

You are on techspot. Are you really that against their benchmarks that you can't check?
Here are some games known to play well with the 5800x3d: Horizon Zero Dawn, Assetto corsa competizione, Far Cry 6, Valorant, The Outer Worlds, Death Stranding, Factorio

We've tested farcry 6 - not doing that well.
We've tested factorio in the big 60k maps, intel walks all over it.
Valorant it ain't happening, it's a MT game it's hard to test, but I can tell you im getting over 500 fps already so it's kinda pointless.

But thanks, ill check out deateh stranding and outerworlds.

 

[Strawman]

You are on techspot. Are you really that against their benchmarks that you can't check?
Here are some games known to play well with the 5800x3d: Horizon Zero Dawn, Assetto corsa competizione, Far Cry 6, Valorant, The Outer Worlds, Death Stranding, Factorio

And just FYI, since you don't seem to understand what tuned memory does, on my machine (so you can't argue im using different OS or whatever) I went from 130 fps to 170 in Ratchet from 6000 ram to 7000 tuned. That's a 31% increase.

X3d just don't get that amount of performance cause they rely on the cache a lot more.

 

[Puiu]

And just FYI, since you don't seem to understand what tuned memory does, on my machine (so you can't argue im using different OS or whatever) I went from 130 fps to 170 in Ratchet from 6000 ram to 7000 tuned. That's a 31% increase.

X3d just don't get that amount of performance cause they rely on the cache a lot more.

There is no such thing as a 30% increase from such tuning. You 100% had other issues. I've been playing with RAM tuning, OC-ing, undervolting, etc since I was in middle school two decades ago. 30% is a pipe dream.