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Ok. Can you please clarify the assumptions I made about your posts?
Just chill...
Ok. Can you please clarify the assumptions I made about your posts?
Just chill...
No seriously, I don't like to misunderstand people, please clarify.
I'd like to point out the EXACT SAME THING was said about faildozer, and Phenom II before it.Doesn't really matter much, its not like they are miles apart. I don't set settings to bottleneck my CPU when I game anyway so the CPU isn't really going to matter there ... I think this is applicable to 99% of all people who play games on their PC.
Sure, a tiny niche exists and those people should pick the CPU that they feel is best in that consideration. If one can squeeze an extra 4-10% FPS in a specific scenario, and that is extremely important to them for whatever reason, then they should do that.
If AMD does take the gaming crown (to be verified), I'll still be pointing out to the AMD "enthusiasts" that the modern CPU performance doesn't matter much for 99% of people for gaming. Its not like the average person playing games owns a 2080ti or a 3080/3090, and plays at 1080p.
I’d argue that the only reason anyone could consider Intel and AMD’s CPUs as “even” would be because Intel wins at gaming. If AMD catches up (and it looks like they may very well have done so), then AMD will be superior in every aspect.Once they catch up on the gaming side it will be "even stevens" all around...let the price wars begin!
I'd like to point out the EXACT SAME THING was said about faildozer, and Phenom II before it.
You know what ended up happening? Those slower chips aged much faster, as a result while intel sandy bridge was still viable for gaming the phenom II and FX series dropped off a cliff in userbase.
Top end gaming performance matters, even if you dont think so.
At this point in time I'm pretty convinced Zen 3 would be my next upgrade but I am still wary of AMD's mobo chipset issues. PCIe 4.0 has needed bios updates for many motherboards - and some still to this day cannot run certain PCIe hardware when 4.0 is enabled. Have they squashed all those issues?"Even Stevens"?
Let's, for now, assume AMD presentation and leaks are all accurate (to be verified):
Multi-core: AMD
Single core: AMD
Gaming: AMD
Available cores: AMD
Price per core: AMD (but its getting closer)
Power consumption: AMD
Cooling: AMD
Platform longevity: AMD
PCIe options: AMD
Big numbers: Intel (5.3, 10th gen, 14nm)
I guess big numbers have a hell of a lot of weight ... ?
... PCIe 4.0 has needed bios updates for many motherboards - and some still to this day cannot run certain PCIe hardware when 4.0 is enabled. Have they squashed all those issues?
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"Even Stevens"?
Let's, for now, assume AMD presentation and leaks are all accurate (to be verified):
Multi-core: AMD
Single core: AMD
Gaming: AMD
Available cores: AMD
Price per core: AMD (but its getting closer)
Power consumption: AMD
Cooling: AMD
Platform longevity: AMD
PCIe options: AMD
Big numbers: Intel (5.3, 10th gen, 14nm)
I guess big numbers have a hell of a lot of weight ... ?
Platform longevity is neither, as this is the last generation on AM4.
You are correct - I will wait until I'm confident the issues are sorted!Well first I would ask myself: "Do I require (or highly ddesire) PCI 4.0?" - (not a whole lot of benefit now but it might be future proofing)
2nd I would ask: "What hardware am I going to be using?" - and then do some research to see if there has been reported issues, what frequencies, resolutions, etc. with said hardware, and see if it will be a problem.
3rd: you can ask yourself if you need the benefit of PCIe 4.0 if you DO have to run a slot in PCIe 3.0 and evaluate if that will be a problem for you.
It shouldn't be hard to determine. If you are unwilling to ask yourself those three questions, do a little bit of research, and give yourself honest answers, then maybe don't upgrade at all? Its not like there's currently a PCI 4.0 alternative if you need that feature.
I personally don't know of current chipset issues, but I haven't been following the chipset reviews and news closely, but again a bit of research wouldn't be difficult. Perhaps someone here with a b550 or x570 here could add their 2 cents.
TO be fair catching up in gaming does not mean mean "becoming the gaming king""Even Stevens"?
Let's, for now, assume AMD presentation and leaks are all accurate (to be verified):
Multi-core: AMD
Single core: AMD
Gaming: AMD
Available cores: AMD
Price per core: AMD (but its getting closer)
Power consumption: AMD
Cooling: AMD
Platform longevity: AMD
PCIe options: AMD
Big numbers: Intel (5.3, 10th gen, 14nm)
I guess big numbers have a hell of a lot of weight ... ?
If cpu doesn't matter where I like to game I'll go with the one that's faster at whatever level it takes to get a difference to show. I don't buy a cpu for anything other than it being the best at what it do and if I have to test that at 720p to know doesn't change the fact that it's still faster. The only reason I don't "see" it at the highe resolution is a limitation of something compeltley separate from the 2 choices I'm deciding between.What may or may not have been said of faildozer about the level of gaming performance had no causality into the reasoning why the architecture fell off a cliff though. It was worse at literally everything across the board vs Core.
So, if it turns out that Intel loses its "gaming crown" to zen3, does that mean Intel will, or should, fall off a cliff if people say they are still willing to buy them because the GPU or resolutions they play with doesn't make much of a difference to them personally? <scratches head>
I don't really know what you are trying to say here ... gaming performance has importance, I never said it didn't, but when the GPU is doing all the work, the CPU matters less. This is easily demonstrated as a fact.
What I did say is that if the CPU isn't reasonably bottlenecked, the CPU doesn't matter as much (given its a modern desktop CPU) in contributing to the performance. This is due to the fact that the GPU then becomes the bottleneck and the CPU is relieved. This fact isn't really up for debate.
Let me know if I have misunderstood what you were trying to get at there though, it seemed a bit confusing.
So if this gaming performance "doesn't really matter" why are we even here discussing / celebrating them reaching it? It matters very much so because people either NEED it to be the best or WANT to know they have the best.Doesn't really matter much, its not like they are miles apart. I don't set settings to bottleneck my CPU when I game anyway so the CPU isn't really going to matter there ... I think this is applicable to 99% of all people who play games on their PC.
Sure, a tiny niche exists and those people should pick the CPU that they feel is best in that consideration. If one can squeeze an extra 4-10% FPS in a specific scenario, and that is extremely important to them for whatever reason, then they should do that.
If AMD does take the gaming crown (to be verified), I'll still be pointing out to the AMD "enthusiasts" that the modern CPU performance doesn't matter much for 99% of people for gaming. Its not like the average person playing games owns a 2080ti or a 3080/3090, and plays at 1080p.
A 10900k isn't trash at most things finishing in 2nd or 3rd in most tests outside of gaming.I’d argue that the only reason anyone could consider Intel and AMD’s CPUs as “even” would be because Intel wins at gaming. If AMD catches up (and it looks like they may very well have done so), then AMD will be superior in every aspect.
Platform longevity is neither, as this is the last generation on AM4.
If cpu doesn't matter where I like to game I'll go with the one that's faster at whatever level it takes to get a difference to show. I don't buy a cpu for anything other than it being the best at what it do and if I have to test that at 720p to know doesn't change the fact that it's still faster. The only reason I don't "see" it at the highe resolution is a limitation of something compeltley separate from the 2 choices I'm deciding between.
So if this gaming performance "doesn't really matter" why are we even here discussing / celebrating them reaching it? It matters very much so because people either NEED it to be the best or WANT to know they have the best.
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