American faces jail time for bringing manga to Canada on his laptop

[captaincranky]

OK, here's a free tip, if you want to be taken seriously, at least learn how to spell, "W-A-K-E".

Ok WAIT THE HELL UP!...

Before you go all Kamikaze american style, the story is written to get a response from all of you who can't think deeper then black and white.

This guy has a criminal history with child pornography charges in the past... so... when his name came up in the system it was flagged as a "search" target.

During the search this "Manga" popped up with drawing of VERY young girls in sexual acts.

Upon finding these "Manga" material, it was seized under the grounds of a more through search since there was ALLOT of files and folders "Encrypted" and password protected with names that show pornographic nature.

Anyone on this forum would feel that, given his past with child pornography and material demeaned similar in nature, would warrant a deeper search into his computer to see if there is REAL child porn.... so stop you crying and starting to think bigger people!

OK DUDE, I'M A-"WAIT".

I would like you to make your sources of all these "hard facts" available to us. Otherwise it sounds like you're just blowing smoke up our collective a**, during a b*** s*** bombardment.

The overarching issue, as it was presented in the article being quoted, is still whether or not manga can be regarded as porographic. And that still remains as a reasonable topic for this forensic debate.

If this guy is screaming "Attica, Attica, Attica", to get the crowd on his side, so be it. But until then, it seems reasonable to believe that the comic book interests, must have some explanation or agenda for pursuing the case.

What intrigues me, is how quickly the figure of "$150,000" dollars was determined or generated for the individual's legal fund. That's the most suspicious part of the case to me, thus far. Because that sounds like a number generated by a bunch of blood sucking lawyers. And no, I have absolutely no intention of cutting them a check.

Another clue, this one to the "Attica" reference: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072890/

 

[ramonsterns]

Guest said:
Ok WAIT THE HELL UP!...

Before you go all Kamikaze american style, the story is written to get a response from all of you who can't think deeper then black and white.

This guy has a criminal history with child pornography charges in the past... so... when his name came up in the system it was flagged as a "search" target.

During the search this "Manga" popped up with drawing of VERY young girls in sexual acts.

Upon finding these "Manga" material, it was seized under the grounds of a more through search since there was ALLOT of files and folders "Encrypted" and password protected with names that show pornographic nature.

Anyone on this forum would feel that, given his past with child pornography and material demeaned similar in nature, would warrant a deeper search into his computer to see if there is REAL child porn.... so stop you crying and starting to think bigger people!

[citation needed]

 

[Guest]

I actually did mean "WAIT THE HELL UP"... as in don't jump the gun and make assumptions of border security. I can't name names since its an on going investigation, as for my sources, well, lets just say my best friend of 25 years works there.

 

[captaincranky]

I actually did mean "WAIT THE HELL UP"... as in don't jump the gun and make assumptions of border security. I can't name names since its an on going investigation, as for my sources, well, lets just say my best friend of 25 years works there.

Beings that you can't provide sources, (and even if you could I suggest not doing so), the debate still, (IMO) should center around whether, "lolicon", is porn.

With that said, it's certainly within the realm of possibility that whatever comic book lobbying interests have a stake in this, they simply could have picked the wrong "poster child", as it were.

Personally, I haven't formed any tangible opinion on this individual's guilt or innocence. I'm not even sure I feel like it. Just the porn or not porn issue, is all that really concerns me.

As far as "Wait the hell up" goes, sorry, that is indeed a valid catch phrase, I just haven't had to use it in decades, so it slipped my mind. My bad, sorry.

I still think the manga purveyors have simply attached whatever monetary number for "his legal defense", they believe they can milk out of "internet passersby", to advance their own agenda. After all, the article states, "he could do a year", which might be extremely unpleasant, but isn't what I consider, "heavy time".

 

[ramonsterns]

Guest said:
don't jump the gun and make assumptions

So, what exactly makes you think we'll have any faith in anything you say, Mr. Anonymous Guest?

 

[Guest]

@Nibroc

When you cross the border you automatically give up your right against search and seizure. If you don't like it, don't cross the border.

 

[anguis]

gwailo247 said:
The reason things like this would be considered CP is because pedos use images of "regular sex" or nude women, or sexual manga/anime to sexualize children which makes it easier to abuse them.

So while 'no children were harmed in the making of this manga', making it something without a victim, it can be used as a tool in order to abuse children, so that's why it could be considered illegal.

One of the worst arguments I have read on this topic. A hammer can be used as a tool for committing murder, or a gun, or any other object. Should we make them illegal, too? If pedos use images of "regular sex" in the same way as manga, would that not make them a "tool" too, and therefore should be considered illegal? Seriously, think about what you are saying before you hit the submit button.

I agree with whoever said, it doesn't matter where the law is coming from, whether the USA, China or Canada - if we don't agree with it, we can voice our opinion.

Also, there isn't very much information in this article, so obviously all of our statements are mere speculation on what might have transcended. But that being said, I feel that anything animated or drawn, or whatever, should be legally protected. Those materials do not harm anyone, not even the user (like drugs may - though I also feel that the "war on drugs" is a ridiculous waste of resources). If this guy did indeed commit some sex offense, the search is understandable, though finding manga is hardly a reason to conduct a more extensive search.