Anonymous hacks Iranian government, steals 10,000 emails
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This is BS. Stop listening to CNN fabricated stories. The criminal regime in Iran is nothing but a response of the people to fight against american culture (read McDonalds/KFC/Bechtel/etc.). The Iranian regime imposes some harsh rules very similar to those imposed to population from a city under siege. I have two points to make:
- It is a criminal regime alright. But when you find that your youngsters are bending over to a silly American culture of fast-food and drugs instead of listening to a legitimate culture that spans over millenniums - what can you do?
- There are far worst regimes out there - but they don't have oil on their soil so an direct American attack would not be so lucrative as the one from Irak. Also other regimes have the nuclear weaponry and strong armies. When a life and death matter will arrive America will remain without its allies.
I am not Iranian - I am Romanian. We have American military bases on our territory. And we see how Americans are: they come in our restaurants without paying, rape and kill people.
Regarding Iran - I feel sorry to see the mighty Persian empire to live in such hard time. And since I mentioned that I am Romanian: to all US residents: may the faith of Teo Peter come to one of your relatives.
- It is a criminal regime alright. But when you find that your youngsters are bending over to a silly American culture of fast-food and drugs instead of listening to a legitimate culture that spans over millenniums - what can you do?
- There are far worst regimes out there - but they don't have oil on their soil so an direct American attack would not be so lucrative as the one from Irak. Also other regimes have the nuclear weaponry and strong armies. When a life and death matter will arrive America will remain without its allies.
I am not Iranian - I am Romanian. We have American military bases on our territory. And we see how Americans are: they come in our restaurants without paying, rape and kill people.
Regarding Iran - I feel sorry to see the mighty Persian empire to live in such hard time. And since I mentioned that I am Romanian: to all US residents: may the faith of Teo Peter come to one of your relatives.
Archean
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So by the this logic, Google (very recent example) is fragile and defenseless? Or in the past when US Govt. networks were penetrated they too were defenseless and fragile? The fact is, if you are not ahead of the game, you will get owned like this, no matter who you are.
Gues@t27
No matter in what times you live in, the 'imperial powers' of the time behave exactly the same way, so why one expect americans to behave any differently?
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@ikesmasher
You dont define who i am. I'm a zoroastrian and zoroastrians were and are persians. You better read some books before posting. There are no differences between persian and iranian.
40000 years ago iran was called persia and now its called.its the same country.
You dont define who i am. I'm a zoroastrian and zoroastrians were and are persians. You better read some books before posting. There are no differences between persian and iranian.
40000 years ago iran was called persia and now its called.its the same country.
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@ikesmasher : Stop trolling and such craps.
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Guest
Anon. is doing a great thing. They're trying to help the little guy. They might sometimes target the little guy for the lulz but hacking the Iranian government? That is REAL and they are doing it for REAL reasons. They're making a statement and they don't have to worry about diplomacy.
It's politics without all the bullshit and lies. They're trying to send a message to the Iranian government, the Iranian people, and the world.
I might not support everything Anon. does but I do support this.
It's politics without all the bullshit and lies. They're trying to send a message to the Iranian government, the Iranian people, and the world.
I might not support everything Anon. does but I do support this.
Darth Shiv
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Um... like the US government being hacked by China? So the "Capitalist regime" is also "fragile and defenseless"?
PanicX
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@Archean & Darth Shiv
I agree with Mindwraiths point. It's easy to present that counter argument, but you're ignoring the context of which Mindwraith's statement applies to. Theocracies as well as other authoritative governments use control techniques that depend on their supremacy and perfection. They maintain their power because their propaganda instills the belief in their citizens that they are absolutely right and impervious to attack. Proving otherwise undermines the propaganda and hopefully helps the citizens realize the true nature of their oppressors.
The US never claims to be perfect, or impervious to attack. The US citizens can't be led to disbelief in their government's ultimate authority as its authority is derived from the citizens themselves, and by the very nature of the electoral/voter process can be changed as needed.
I agree with Mindwraiths point. It's easy to present that counter argument, but you're ignoring the context of which Mindwraith's statement applies to. Theocracies as well as other authoritative governments use control techniques that depend on their supremacy and perfection. They maintain their power because their propaganda instills the belief in their citizens that they are absolutely right and impervious to attack. Proving otherwise undermines the propaganda and hopefully helps the citizens realize the true nature of their oppressors.
The US never claims to be perfect, or impervious to attack. The US citizens can't be led to disbelief in their government's ultimate authority as its authority is derived from the citizens themselves, and by the very nature of the electoral/voter process can be changed as needed.
PanicX
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I've spent 30 minutes trying to find any articles that support your claim and cannot. I doubt your claims and would like to see any evidence of this that you can provide. In todays day and age, anyone with a cell phone can record a video of such atrocious behavior and post it online, and there's many forums that would loudly boast such actions. Please note that I'm not saying that US military personnel have never behaved like this before, but if they can't get away with it in a country we're at war with, how can they get away with it in a peaceful ally nation?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/oct2010/army-o04.shtml
What I did find is that since 1990 the US has given Romania $620 million in foreign aid.
http://www.usaid.gov/locations/europe_eurasia/countries/ro/
Archean
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To some extent that may be true, but beyond that it isn't. How many in this 'democracy' knew about the illegal rendition flights? How can you differentiate gitmo from nazis (or other similar examples)?
Democracy (unless it is in its truest form) is just another mean of 'people control'. Unfortunately american democracy is held hostage to 'corporatocracy'. Remember the citi bank's internal memo's describing america as 'plutonomy' ? A substantial layer of propaganda through 'corporate media' blind us from seeing such glaring shortcomings. My point is, any system is as good as the people who are running it or are a part of it.
Note: By the way CIA ran thousands of rendition flights, and many of them ended up or went through Romania.
Democracy (unless it is in its truest form) is just another mean of 'people control'. Unfortunately american democracy is held hostage to 'corporatocracy'. Remember the citi bank's internal memo's describing america as 'plutonomy' ? A substantial layer of propaganda through 'corporate media' blind us from seeing such glaring shortcomings. My point is, any system is as good as the people who are running it or are a part of it.
Note: By the way CIA ran thousands of rendition flights, and many of them ended up or went through Romania.
PanicX
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I'm unclear on which part you're finding untrue in my post. I know that the US isn't a shining example of virtue, and I said as much. But that doesn't change the difference in perception Iranian and US citizens would view the cyber attacks against their respective governments.
The rendition flights, while unjustifiable in my opinion, are not the type of actions that Guest was alluding to, as far as I can tell by his post. Reading his comment leaves the impression that every american is a stealing, raping, murdering criminal. The comment is absurd at face value, but I would be curious to know of any actual reported atrocities by those military bases. In absence of that, I'll just assume Guest is an angsty adolescent that needs to fill the attention void of his home life.
The rendition flights, while unjustifiable in my opinion, are not the type of actions that Guest was alluding to, as far as I can tell by his post. Reading his comment leaves the impression that every american is a stealing, raping, murdering criminal. The comment is absurd at face value, but I would be curious to know of any actual reported atrocities by those military bases. In absence of that, I'll just assume Guest is an angsty adolescent that needs to fill the attention void of his home life.
Archean
Posts: 5,650 +102
On the contrary to what the guest was saying, I think there is hardly any difference between ordinary citizen of any nation state, they strive to make a decent living for their families, and want an honorable existence.
Issues lie in the way governments operate, and what means they use to influence or sometime 'engineer' an outcome or even public opinion. Regarding your views on Iranian Govt., I think in due course of time Iranians will find their own way, people in this part of the world are surprisingly 'less' inclined to follow whatever their governments/rulers want; for an outsider their 'slow response' is probably due to the fact that the previous Iranian regimes (Raza Shah and his cronies) were supported by west, so they don't want to fall in the same trap again.
Issues lie in the way governments operate, and what means they use to influence or sometime 'engineer' an outcome or even public opinion. Regarding your views on Iranian Govt., I think in due course of time Iranians will find their own way, people in this part of the world are surprisingly 'less' inclined to follow whatever their governments/rulers want; for an outsider their 'slow response' is probably due to the fact that the previous Iranian regimes (Raza Shah and his cronies) were supported by west, so they don't want to fall in the same trap again.
secretassasin69
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seems that anonymous are planning something big.
secretassasin69
Posts: 57 +0
what'll be happening on 12 june?
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Guest
secretassasin69 said:
Probably it will be followed by protesting in Tehran and other cities + Blocking communication services such as mobile phones, sms, email, chat rooms, ...
Yes, you are free to keep your relations with those murders.ikesmasher said:
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How selfish someone could be :S
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Guest
I "support" anonymous purely cause they're a nuisance to authority, doesn't matter if that authority is Scientology, the US government, Sony or Iran, or if there's any clear philosophy or or aim to their behavior (there isn't). Doesn't mean I'm ignorant, just that I'm an *******.
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Guest
I read an article on Wired about Romanian cybercrime. Am I to assume that every Romanian who can operate a keyboard is a criminal?
Please don't judge all by the acts of a few. I'm sure every country has its share of *******s.
Please don't judge all by the acts of a few. I'm sure every country has its share of *******s.
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Guest @ 03:06 PM - Don't be surprised if the US intelligence agencies are the ones using the disguise of "Anonymous".
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