Apple blocks the Gay Pride watch face in Russia

[yeeeeman]

If I may contribute to this dumpster fire of comments:

Tolerance is big word. Those who feel the need to actively denigrate LGBT can pretty much be summed up as those who are fighting those impulses in themselves. It's the enemy within.

It's also important that Russia not be demonized excessively. Putin himself has said that gays should "of course, never be persecuted." Exact quote. Gay pride rallies are questionable in their usefulness at best. No, they should not be banned. But designating them as 'propaganda regarding sexual relations' is not such a stretch.

Tolerating minority lifestyles while not encouraging or promoting them is not an unreasonable stance. Russia's law is unnecessary, but it's a nervous, conservative culture. Not making too big a thing out of the issue either way strikes me as a sensible attitude.

Yep, you said it. We tolerate them, cause we don't kill or treat them *** ill people. BUT, we shouldn't give the same rights as everyone. And that is the problem with "modern" countries like Holland, Belgium and the US. They have let them cross a normal limit and now they want to change everything from signs, books, clothes in school, raising kids (which btw, were conceived by a man and a woman - how surprising is that?) cause it is discriminating them. It is that type of situation where you give someone a finger of help and they take your whole hand.
As I said, we tolerate them and other types of people with all sorts of abnormalities, but there should be a limit. Like you don't give a drug addict guy rights to be a policeman or a president, you don't give rights to people that are confused by their gender. Same thing.

 

[davislane1]

That is the stupidest thing I've seen today. Gay people don't choose their orientation, any more than you did.

So it's okay to be X so long as you didn't consciously choose to be X?

If that's true, that means any "orientation" is legitimate simply because 1) nobody chooses their arousal triggers and 2) arousal triggers can be scientifically verified.

#Bornthisway = nothing is off limits because nothing is a choice.

Enlightened way of thinking. Much responsible.

Honestly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet. The longer the thread gets, the less it becomes about Apple & Russai and the more it's devolving into a rhetorical TDM between the "Backward Bigots" and the "Virtue Signalers."

Captain Cranky collects the quad damage in 5... 4...

 

[Camikazi]

Idk it can be a slippery slope, what if google removed all pictures of women without their face covered to cater to Saudi Arabia. Or removed all mention of Christianity\Atheism. Just an example.

There would be no problem since it would only apply to people accessing Google from Saudi Arabia, just like this only affects people in Russia. Apple is just working within the laws of the country and only for that country. You want it to change then you need to find a way to change their government or get their people to make the change, until then the company is just working within the law.

 

[Xtreme gamer]

Good...

 

[captaincranky]

Stop projecting....[ ].....

I'm sure you'll know to what I'm responding without, the endless quote, quote, qoute, going on.

At a certain point in sexual identity establishment, individuals become dangerous. For example, consider extremely masculine lesbians, ("dykes" colloquially).

If they grow up and decide to join the Navy Seals, and function a a member of that team, in roles which require a violent tendency, I say, "more power to them".

But when they feel it necessary to establish that uber male persona in a non combat, civilian situation, with threats, knife waving, and other bellicose actions, IMHO, it becomes a mental illness.

It could easily be argued that those individuals are simply sociopaths. But I believe, when those traits are driven in furtherance of establishing a gender identity, then it's a personality disorder and mental illness, unique unto itself.

 

[erickmendes]

Gender and sex are synonyms. Go read a dictionary.

"gender is a social construct" is a line pushed by tumblr snowflakes that cant handle not being pretty princesses and have to constantly make excuses and new definitions for words so they can be offended at something. If they can blame societal roles and cultural beliefs on gender, then they have something concrete to blame all their problems on, or use to create a safespace for themselves where they dont need to face reality. What society has expected of the 2 genders has changed over the years, but there are still only 2 genders, male and female.

Roles in society are not gender.

Taken from the Oxford Dictionary:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

"1 Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."

Each individual lives a different reality, nobody has the right to judge others. If they experience sexuality in a different form and agree in giving it a different name, you saying it's an error won't change a thing, so why not stop judging people? The only one we need/can judge is our very own existence.

 

[yeeeeman]

Taken from the Oxford Dictionary:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

"1 Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."

Each individual lives a different reality, nobody has the right to judge others. If they experience sexuality in a different form and agree in giving it a different name, you saying it's an error won't change a thing, so why not stop judging people? The only one we need/can judge is our very own existence.

They are well past the "no judge" step. As you can see, they have the right to say what they are, what they believe, all that ****. Some countries even tolerate their **** parades - during which they laugh about normal people, make fun of religion, about families, etc, ISN"T THAT DISCRIMINATORY TO US? - so pleaaase, cut the crap with the judging, cause they are judging us more than we judge them.

 

[Peter Farkas]

WTF is happenning in this thread...

 

[ShagnWagn]

WTF is happenning in this thread...

Morals. It's written on our hearts what is natural and what is not. We all know.

It's still related to the 'heart' of the article, just not directly speaking of the company (whether the action is "justified" or not).

 

[ghostf1re]

people are born with a gender, that families are made from a men and a woman, basic stuff.

Just to be clear, gender and sex are 2 different things. Sex is biological, it's what you're born with, male/female parts. Gender is the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women. For example, the cultural norm in America used to be that men worked and women were expected to care for the household. That's a socially constructed gender roles.

Dude, WTF are you smoking? Gender and Sex are 100% the same thing. You can say whatever you like about the two, but they are the same thing.