bandit8623
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To make that leap they would have to charge 1k at least. a few more years will have to pass and get farther behind pc gaming even more.
Are gaming consoles reaching final form? Former PlayStation boss says no more major hardware leaps
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The ps5 pro is an odd one. The Xbox 1X made sense because the original XB1 was underpowered with some multi platform games at lower resolutions than the PS4. It was a great upgrade and made all my games run better (super sampling worked well and there was better looking filtering).
PS4 Pro wasn’t as essential for PS4 owners in comparison to the XB1->XB1X upgrade IF you had a 4K TV as 1080p upscales clearly and some games (still some that didn’t get patches) looked awful on 4K screens on XB1 (hello Arkham Knight).
PS5 Pro is the same deal. A lot of money for not a great deal of difference because the CPU was left relatively untouched when that was the bottleneck for higher FPS in the open world games.
@poohbear the future is streaming for the graphics? I could see that if the games were able to get round the latency issues. I can play wired to GeForce Now and I can still feel the latency in some games. Try a sports game like FIFA for example where the latency can’t easily be masked with 1 player controlled character and 21 ai controlled players and it is very unnatural. If they distribute the games logic so that runs on the console but graphics etc are generated on the cloud that could work.
As I wrote, Wifi 7 has 100x lower latency than wifi 6, and by 2027 Wifi 7 will be the standard. Then wifi 8 comes out in 2028. Geforce now already works really well in 2024 if you have a good internet setup (w/ my 2.5 Gbps ethernet it works flawlessly, and w/ WIFI 6E its mostly ok). People were skeptical at Netflix when it came out...but when the hardware reached a level to make it a reality, it exploded and now it's the norm.
Geforce Now is the best game streaming service, no-one comes close. Yet it had artifacts and compressed image quality and still latency can be felt. Tested many times on a 1000/1000 fibre wired. If you think it is THAT GOOD then you can't have tried a top tier gaming PC, playing with 200+ fps at 200+ Hz
Wifi7 is not that much of an improvement over Wifi6 either. Also, you are talking about the top Wifi7 spec, which consumers won't be running at home. 16x16 MIMO, 320 MHz etc tec. Nah. That is not how casual gamers will use Wifi7 at home and when it comes to latency, wired will win anyway.
Streaming games won't matter for gamers with high demands. I rock 9800X3D/4090 and 360 Hz QD-OLED, no way I will settle with streaming games. Latency will keep being an issue, especially during peak hours and image quality is noticably worse due to compression as well + compression artifacts.
It can work on the go, when travelling if game is slowpaced or I will still notice the latency.
No way Sony will rely on this for PS6.
Consoles have been less and less worth it for years. The end is in sight as basically new gen consoles will just be mini pc's, they practically are now. Nintendo is the only one doing anything unique.
Xbox is completely pointless now as its all available on PC. Why go xbox? Get a PC for the same price and you get x2 million more games and mods.
Im an old school gamer here as well along with some of you folks as stated. I started out on a black and white pong machine, colecovision, c64, etc. Progressed through the years I have played nearly every console ever released and am an avid collector.
I say that for context. I THINK the reason we feel games dont have the "magic" anymore is we are simply overwhelmed with 100s of new games if not 1000s a month. Think back in the day, every game released was super hyped and talked about. Magazines had reviews, we interviewed developers, they showcased their games and you would have just a few releases a month.
With steam and indie developers, we have more games, and cheaper games, than we have ever had. I know folks complain about prices a lot but the fact is, the gaming industry is one that has been pretty resistant to inflation. Games were $70 back in the early 2000's and they are still $70 (NES games were even $50-60 where I lived). Yes, some do go higher now days when dealing with special editions, DLC bundles, digital content and early access, I know. But we also have 1000s of games under the $30 mark thanks to indie developers.
Its like that concept of going to a buffet and psychologically unconsciously you cant decide what to eat because your brain is overloaded with options. You choose one thing and you cant stop thinking about the next instead of just diving into one dish and enjoying yourself. There is a term for this, I cant recall it but maybe one of you smarter than I knows it off hand.
I feel this is a bit of whats going on and why we feel games kind of suck now days. We have also seen so much now that there isnt a lot to be like "wouldnt it be cool if we could do this" thing when there is already a game that did that thing. I remember wanting games to be multiplayer all the time growing up online so I could play with folks over the internet as I grew up in a small town where nobody really played games. Now days everything is online, every game, I hate it, lol.
I personally dont really think the AAA games are that great anymore and feel most are really overhyped. I havent enjoyed a AAA game in a long time. I end up quitting and going to some indie dev and dropping 100s of hours into their games.
There is a corporate take over issue on gaming companies too and that is likely influencing some of the issues. They saw studios that were successful. Gaming has recently become main stream and a massive revenue maker. Large companies like MS see this and buy them up hoping for more profits but it also removes all the elements of what made those studios special and shine. Its like their souls get taken away and replaced with corporate overlords trying to tick box's for money instead of trying to make a game for... FUN.
And I haven't even touched base on the subscription models that we all loath so much. They are the bane of good consumer practice.
Xbox is completely pointless now as its all available on PC. Why go xbox? Get a PC for the same price and you get x2 million more games and mods.
Im an old school gamer here as well along with some of you folks as stated. I started out on a black and white pong machine, colecovision, c64, etc. Progressed through the years I have played nearly every console ever released and am an avid collector.
I say that for context. I THINK the reason we feel games dont have the "magic" anymore is we are simply overwhelmed with 100s of new games if not 1000s a month. Think back in the day, every game released was super hyped and talked about. Magazines had reviews, we interviewed developers, they showcased their games and you would have just a few releases a month.
With steam and indie developers, we have more games, and cheaper games, than we have ever had. I know folks complain about prices a lot but the fact is, the gaming industry is one that has been pretty resistant to inflation. Games were $70 back in the early 2000's and they are still $70 (NES games were even $50-60 where I lived). Yes, some do go higher now days when dealing with special editions, DLC bundles, digital content and early access, I know. But we also have 1000s of games under the $30 mark thanks to indie developers.
Its like that concept of going to a buffet and psychologically unconsciously you cant decide what to eat because your brain is overloaded with options. You choose one thing and you cant stop thinking about the next instead of just diving into one dish and enjoying yourself. There is a term for this, I cant recall it but maybe one of you smarter than I knows it off hand.
I feel this is a bit of whats going on and why we feel games kind of suck now days. We have also seen so much now that there isnt a lot to be like "wouldnt it be cool if we could do this" thing when there is already a game that did that thing. I remember wanting games to be multiplayer all the time growing up online so I could play with folks over the internet as I grew up in a small town where nobody really played games. Now days everything is online, every game, I hate it, lol.
I personally dont really think the AAA games are that great anymore and feel most are really overhyped. I havent enjoyed a AAA game in a long time. I end up quitting and going to some indie dev and dropping 100s of hours into their games.
There is a corporate take over issue on gaming companies too and that is likely influencing some of the issues. They saw studios that were successful. Gaming has recently become main stream and a massive revenue maker. Large companies like MS see this and buy them up hoping for more profits but it also removes all the elements of what made those studios special and shine. Its like their souls get taken away and replaced with corporate overlords trying to tick box's for money instead of trying to make a game for... FUN.
And I haven't even touched base on the subscription models that we all loath so much. They are the bane of good consumer practice.
Wi-Fi speed inside my house and wider bandwidth won’t fix the issues I have with using cloud streaming on a 1Gbit connection connected directly to the router with a cable. That won’t go away with bandwidth and wireless latency improvements. That only goes with more streaming servers distributed across the network so your hops are reduced, better more intelligent distribution of the games logic and graphics workload between the console and the steaming host, and improved networking tech introduced by the cable/fibre companies.
Skjorn
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What a stupid thing to say... Sony says consoles have peaked, Microsoft says the next console is going to be the biggest generational leap yet.
Who do you find more believable?
The person who is convinced a low power APU is the pinnacle of 3D rendering or the brand that absolutely brought everything to the table with the OG XBOX and truly delivered that computational gap.
PS4 forcing PS+ to play online was final bit of convincing I needed to build a pc.
Who do you find more believable?
The person who is convinced a low power APU is the pinnacle of 3D rendering or the brand that absolutely brought everything to the table with the OG XBOX and truly delivered that computational gap.
PS4 forcing PS+ to play online was final bit of convincing I needed to build a pc.
LimyG
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Absolutely. That is a true nightmare scenario.
LimyG
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Good point. I bet MS could pull it off too. The 360 was magic, and we bought disks!
Now MS is the least trust worthy major company. I bet any future console from them will "as a service," with hooks and ads. Telemetry, game rental pushed, and probably a tiny ssd to make purchase and download unappealing. 1,000 of cheap rentals and added DLC. Sounds great, but likely to end in frustration. Meh game overload - Hey where is the escapism and fun of 10 years ago?
Then as MS will be in charge of your console imagine all the account problems. Sign in issues. Plus many more frustrations MS specialize in.
What ever happened to holding a loved game disk, opening it, putting in your console, and just playing the game you love, and took time to check out before purchase.
I've been PC gaming since 360 era btw, but still find myself playing pre - 2020. Doom 2016 for instance, plus many more genuinely creative and excellent games.
Now they still exist, but they are few and far between. I like steam but the huge amount of cheap games means click purchase, click purchase, clickity click. The gems get missed, and everything ends up in the same bloated library.
Imagine this, on an MS console, as a service (which will surely not work properly for many) and gamers will end up huge chunks of hair missing.
Skjorn
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I'm thinking more like actually make the strong console, sell for cheap, take a loss, take the market back. New DirectXBOX. Something nothing else can do, like the OG Xbox did. Introduce DX13 with it or something. I like to think Phil Spencer knows better than to make Xbox console brand into a streaming only machine.
LimyG
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That would be really great! I'm all for it.
My post was a kind of negative, "if" streaming only.
If they do as you said, or similar I will be buying the next xbox for sure!!
user478318
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The original PS3 (fat) was the best console Sony ever made, it was so much advanced than this PS5 crapfest
LimyG
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Yep. I have the slim. Still working perfectly after all these years. 1,000s of hours on it.
Edit: about 4 years ago I swapped out the HDD for an SSD (256GB) Not so much for speed as, correct me if I am wrong but I thing the PS3 maxes at approx SATA2 speeds?
Any how, more space. But I leave it over half empty so the SSDs built in garbage cleanup can work. Of course no Trim on the PS3. So far, so good. Not a single issue.
As you mentioned else where, the insane level of pay walling of everything rule consoles out for me. Hadn't checked that out till a few days ago but it is beyond ridiculous.
PC gaming is the way to go.
Edit: about 4 years ago I swapped out the HDD for an SSD (256GB) Not so much for speed as, correct me if I am wrong but I thing the PS3 maxes at approx SATA2 speeds?
Any how, more space. But I leave it over half empty so the SSDs built in garbage cleanup can work. Of course no Trim on the PS3. So far, so good. Not a single issue.
As you mentioned else where, the insane level of pay walling of everything rule consoles out for me. Hadn't checked that out till a few days ago but it is beyond ridiculous.
PC gaming is the way to go.
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