AT&T is about to cut internet service to customers accused of piracy

Nobody said they didn't have the power

You did

You were not even right about Internet being classified as a utility (for two years it was but not the same as power and telecommunications

Here's that link again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

It is literally the same power used to regulate telecommunications

Since I'm in management and even have had to deal with the legalities this is getting much better.

Yep and I'm director of the NSA. About as believable as you changing story. Next post you will be senior network engineer. Exciting, what what will be next? it's like opening a children's fairytale book every time I reload the page.
 
No more personal comments please. If you wish to continue your personal arguments, consider doing so via PM. Thanks.
 
It's AT&T, so no loss. They are one of the worst providers anyways. They had a 150GB cap, and recently upped it to 300GB. Kinda hard to be a mass Torenter on their service anyways.

They will cut you for excessive use more likely than for piracy. Average 1080p NetFlix stream is several GB an hour. So it's very easy to hit the limit if you binge watch.
 
I only pirate what I can't get legally or conveniently at a reasonable price. I currently pay for 5 different streaming services (4 TV and 1 music) plus youtube premium. Anything else I connect to a VPN and torrent, mind you that's a fairly rare occurrence, the streaming services and youtube cover 99.9% of everything I "need."

It would appear you are similar to me - I'm not afraid to BUY my own content, but some years ago Netflix prevented foreign connections (and I am a frequent traveler)so I dropped them, then the BBC iPlayer blocked foreign connections to (though they now have a sign-in option), so I thought phuck it, and download my TV shows at will.

But the stuff I really like, I buy on a box set, as I like the physical ownership (Breaking bad, Phoenix Nights, to name a couple), but even then, they get immediately ripped to my PC, so I can enjoy their full quality whilst on the road.

I also run a few rental properties - so what do I do when guests download copyrighted material from those places? Suffer new guests getting disconnected? Hardly seems fair.
 
Think about the poor Hollywood stars that can't afford that 5th mansion and 3rd yacht! They only make a few Million a year and some host be it news or weekly TV shows makes almost $500,000-$1Million on each airing.
 
Whos needs tv internet when you GOT NATURE. just turn it off go out in world. tink about all that you are paying for. you could spend that on holyday instead. if a isp trows out someone there could be many whom being trown out. the nabo of a nabo and so on gets trown out. piracy is like someone saying I DONT WANT COMERSIALS AND I WANT A CLEAN PRODUCT. not waiting for ever comercials.

Just like DVD jon. we want it clean and no other bad crap things. I want norwegian lanuage not other lanuages, and just nor sub no other comersials and keep the quality.I want to run it from a CLEAn product.. just like you are whatching comersial 15 min evere 15 min and so on and so n --///-- you never get what happens in that movie you wantet to watch. som the pirate version are o.c free form comersials. isp should not have done that. its just like bowling you take one down everyone get taken down in som time gameplay. do you want to play a game I 4 min and then comersial in 15 min and 5 min gameplay --///--- ? IF you say no you get PIRATE on youre back from your GREAT ISP. say no you are FREE ?
 
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Whos needs tv internet when you GOT NATURE. just turn it off go out in world. tink about all that you are paying for. you could spend that on holyday instead. if a isp trows out someone there could be many whom being trown out. the nabo of a nabo and so on gets trown out. piracy is like someone saying I DONT WANT COMERSIALS AND I WANT A CLEAN PRODUCT. not waiting for ever comercials.

Just like DVD jon. we want it clean and no other bad crap things. I want norwegian lanuage not other lanuages, and just nor sub no other comersials and keep the quality.I want to run it from a CLEAn product.. just like you are whatching comersial 15 min evere 15 min and so on and so n --///-- you never get what happens in that movie you wantet to watch. som the pirate version are o.c free form comersials. isp should not have done that. its just like bowling you take one down everyone get taken down in som time gameplay. do you want to play a game I 4 min and then comersial in 15 min and 5 min gameplay --///--- ? IF you say no you get PIRATE on youre back from your GREAT ISP. say no you are FREE ?

I agree with the shut it off and go outside and enjoy life. I myself am guilty of that. Unfortunately commercials are a way to offset the cost of production. Even before the days of paying outrageous amounts of money to actors. Without commercials the consumer is going to have to make up those costs. It's a balancing act and I don't have the answer for that. I would welcome ala carte channels more than anything. And I'm not condoning some of their price gouging tactics at all.
 
Without commercials the consumer is going to have to make up those costs. It's a balancing act and I don't have the answer for that.
I was fine with commercials as long as they had less than 33% time share. Once they went passed 33%, they can kiss my a$$. I don't sit down to watch their commercials. They can find another poor sob willing to pay to view them.
 
I was fine with commercials as long as they had less than 33% time share. Once they went passed 33%, they can kiss my a$$. I don't sit down to watch their commercials. They can find another poor sob willing to pay to view them.

What's crazy is that us viewers are paying to watch commercials. I don't think I ever sat down and watched TV for an hr over the last 5-8 years. Life is too short for commercials!
 
Have you ever bought a movie and taken it to a friends house to watch? Why you little pirate you... The current laws on this stuff are a joke. Multi-million dollar companies go after individuals. Courts assume the damage is catastrophic and give the multi-million dollar companies way more than that one individual even "stole". Well he downloaded this movie so we need to assume he then gave it to 100 of his friends so this $20 dvd is now worth $2,000. We need to make an example out of him so we'll make it $5,000. Oh, and add court and legal fees. Lets just say this man downloaded this movie worth $10,000 shall we? Now we'll give this money to the people who deserve it. The actors who have ran out of things to buy and have turned to drugs (again) as well as the studios who are top 1% grossing companies. That will teach that lower-class individual not to seek entertainment without paying us to stream it from one of 6 different websites.

*sigh* rant done :)

Yes, that was a rant. I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make. Again, entertainment is not a right. The owners of IP (intellectual property) have the right to charge whatever they want for their product. We have the right to buy or not buy.

Taking a DVD over to a friends house, is not against any U.S. laws unless you charge a group of people to watch the DVD. Here's the thing that most consumers just don't comprehend. When you buy a DVD, you do NOT own the movie that is on it. What you have purchased is a license which gives you the right to watch the movie on any DVD player within a region. That is the single use platform license you have paid for. Rippng a DVD changes the platform. Again, we do not own any movie or music that we purchase, we are only buying a license which has a specific platform use.

How film production is often financed is by selling the rights by country, by region and platforms (theatrical, cable TV, network TV, streaming, etc.). In other words, before a film even comes out, the rights for Canada, Japan, etc., have all already be sold off. People often complain about Nextflix not having everything for everyone in in every country all at the same time. That's because Netflix buys or rather leases the rights by region and often times some regions have already been exclusively sold off for a specific period of time.

We live in a digital world where consumers have an outrageous sense of entitlement. Media/IP are products just like cars, computers, etc. If a car costs a lot more than you are willing to pay for it, you simply don't by the car. Taking it without paying for it, would land you in jail. Stealing IP should be no different if not for the much smaller dollar amount involved.
 
What's crazy is that us viewers are paying to watch commercials. I don't think I ever sat down and watched TV for an hr over the last 5-8 years. Life is too short for commercials!

Too many commercials?! Life is too short for TV in general. In other words, while you feel your time is more important than to be spent on commercials, many people feel that way about TV in general. That's why the most financially successful households the U.S., watch far less TV than lower income households.
 
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To many people, life is too short for TV in gneneral. In other words, while you feel your time is more important than commcerials, many people feel that way about TV shows. That's why the most financially successful households in he U.S. have fewer TVs than lower income households.
lol prove that if you can, which I will bet good money that you can't.

I did a 5 second google search....
https://money.cnn.com/2012/08/01/news/economy/poor-income/index.htm
 
I got vpn nobody bothers me

That is fine unless you are one of the top abusers of their network. Part of the process is who is using their network the most, regardless if it's encrypted or not. If you max out your download/upload 24/7 and are classified as residential that raises a red flag. Especially if you are in the top percentage of network use. That does not mean you are guilty of anything at all, just gets their attention and might require further research. Like if you are hosting websites and not paying for business class Internet. Or pirating. A vpn is not a sliver bullet, just keeps you more anonymous than most. I'd hazard to guess some of these ultra pirate abusers were using vpn as well.
 
Yes, that was a rant. I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make. Again, entertainment is not a right. The owners of IP (intellectual property) have the right to charge whatever they want for their product. We have the right to buy or not buy.

Taking a DVD over to a friends house, is not against any U.S. laws unless you charge a group of people to watch the DVD. Here's the thing that most consumers just don't comprehend. When you buy a DVD, you do NOT own the movie that is on it. What you have purchased is a license which gives you the right to watch the movie on any DVD player within a region. That is the single use platform license you have paid for. Rippng a DVD changes the platform. Again, we do not own any movie or music that we purchase, we are only buying a license which has a specific platform use.

How film production is often financed is by selling the rights by country, by region and platforms (theatrical, cable TV, network TV, streaming, etc.). In other words, before a film even comes out, the rights for Canada, Japan, etc., have all already be sold off. People often complain about Nextflix not having everything for everyone in in every country all at the same time. That's because Netflix buys or rather leases the rights by region and often times some regions have already been exclusively sold off for a specific period of time.

We live in a digital world where consumers have an outrageous sense of entitlement. Media/IP are products just like cars, computers, etc. If a car costs a lot more than you are willing to pay for it, you simply don't by the car. Taking it without paying for it, would land you in jail. Stealing IP should be no different if not for the much smaller dollar amount involved.
Congratz. You're probably the first person to comment back and actually argue facts and give good useful information. That is such a rare thing around here.

I was just trying to vent frustration that an IP (unlike an actual product) can be duplicated and sold at literally 0 cost and thus should be treated differently than an actual product such as a car. If you steal a car, that car company loses money based on the at-cost price of the car. The at-cost price of an IP is always $0. Yes, they still own it and should have a say in who they give it to, but to argue you're entitled to money because somebody took it is borderline greed. You have an argument that they should pay what you are selling it for, but to demand more is just pure 100% grade-A greed.
 
Congratz. You're probably the first person to comment back and actually argue facts and give good useful information. That is such a rare thing around here.

I was just trying to vent frustration that an IP (unlike an actual product) can be duplicated and sold at literally 0 cost and thus should be treated differently than an actual product such as a car. If you steal a car, that car company loses money based on the at-cost price of the car. The at-cost price of an IP is always $0. Yes, they still own it and should have a say in who they give it to, but to argue you're entitled to money because somebody took it is borderline greed. You have an argument that they should pay what you are selling it for, but to demand more is just pure 100% grade-A greed.

Ugh! I had written a detailed response in google docs and then tried to copy and paste it here but it got flagged as spam. Will try to type again later.
 
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