Baidu CEO: 99% of AI companies won't survive bubble burst

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Recap: The rising popularity of generative AI has given place to the development of numerous startups making bold claims about the technology's capabilities. Many onlookers liken the trend to a classic market bubble, a sentiment shared by the CEO of Chinese tech giant Baidu. However, when the lofty expectations for AI collide with reality, most AI startups may not survive.

Baidu CEO Robin Li believes that only about one percent of AI companies will endure after the inevitable burst of the AI bubble. Li suggests this will result in a healthier market with more realistic applications for the emerging technology.

Generative AI has remained a hot topic in the years following its initial surge, driven by companies like OpenAI and Nvidia. The latter, which produces the hardware that most AI companies depend on, could soon become the world's most valuable company. Tech giants such as Microsoft, Apple, and Google are also integrating AI into nearly all of their future products.

However, many companies often make ambitious claims about the jobs AI might replace or what users can create using text prompts.

Speaking at Harvard's Future of Business Conference, Li argued that many of these products will turn out to be false innovations, unable to find a sustainable market.

He compared the current situation to the dot-com bubble that burst around the turn of the century, wiping out many early internet companies. Li also believes the AI market has become quieter but healthier in 2024 compared to recent years. Although some businesses and investors maintain high hopes for AI, others are showing more caution, recognizing that Nvidia's meteoric rise can't last forever.

Consumer enthusiasm for the technology remains lukewarm. Recent sales reports indicate that consumers aren't purchasing PCs with AI-focused hardware due to a specific interest in AI, but rather because the latest models from major vendors come equipped with the technology by default.

If a dramatic market correction occurs, Li anticipates that the remaining one percent of AI companies will offer highly valuable products and services. Addressing a persistent issue in generative AI, Li expressed optimism about the reduction of hallucinations in chatbots, claiming that they have become significantly more accurate over the past 18 months.

The CEO also touched on concerns about AI-related job losses, acknowledging the possibility that AI could replace human workers. Li believes a paradigm shift in employment may take place over the next 10 to 30 years.

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Yep. Trick is figuring out when the collapse occurs.

Silver lining: reasonably priced Nvidia cards maybe?
Depends. The monkey paw tends to curl when this kind of thing happens.

Adjusted for inflation the GTX 8800 was a $850 card. The 8800 ultra $1100. And that was back when wafers were just a grand apiece. It's entirely possible that AI cards are subsidizing gaming GPUs, and that prices could go UP if AI bursts.

The $500 Fermi era and $350 Tesla era was created by the Great Financial Crisis. Back then, most couldnt justify spending $500 on a GPU.
 
The biggest players in AI - OpenAI + FAANG have cash to burn for the next 5 years easy. Facebook spent over $10B on metaverse with nothing to show for it and barely noticed.

Smaller companies will definitely come and go but big tech isn't likely to adjust course anytime soon.
 
The biggest players in AI - OpenAI + FAANG have cash to burn for the next 5 years easy. Facebook spent over $10B on metaverse with nothing to show for it and barely noticed.

Smaller companies will definitely come and go but big tech isn't likely to adjust course anytime soon.
Venture capital funding isn't free- investors still want results and money certainly isn't flowing like it was in 2020 when suck started chasing the metaverse.
 
He's only wrong about one thing: the AI bubble burst will be even WORSE -- far, FAR worse -- than the dot.com bubble burst with far more severe and lasting financial consequences.
 
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He's only wrong about one thing: the AI bubble burst will be even WORSE -- far, FAR worse -- than the dot.com bubble burst with far more server and lasting financial consequences.
Will it though? .com bankrupted several HUGE firms and set back fiber deployment by 20 years. if AI fails, well nvidia might be screwed for awhile, and megacorps like apple, microsoft, and google will smart for a bit. I dont see it impacting us as badly.
 
Will it though? .com bankrupted several HUGE firms and set back fiber deployment by 20 years. if AI fails, well nvidia might be screwed for awhile, and megacorps like apple, microsoft, and google will smart for a bit. I dont see it impacting us as badly.
A fair counterpoint, insanegamer. My feeling and the reason for my initial post is that the difference is just who is stupidly betting their farms on AI. During the .com bust, the companies that died were for the most part new startups looking for a piece of the .com pie or established companies buying out other companies and startups in hopes of cashing in on it which then brought them down.

The big difference I see here with AI is that we are not talking about startups here. We are talking about huge megacorps like the ones you mentioned that actually have an effect on our daily lives as well as the overall economy who are going to lose billions which will eventually trickle down to us as well as any other company that bets the farm on the AI "solutions" provided by the megacorps.

As comparison, when Pets.com, Boo.com, Broadcast.com and GeoCities went down in the .com bust, I didn't even blink and you probably didn't either. But when Apple, Google, Microsoft, NVIDIA, AMD, Amazon, UPS, the banks, the stock market, the government -- any important entity that affects all our lives and is actually dumb enough to buy into AI -- get burnt... well, fires have a bad habit of spreading to anything and everyone around them. Really scary how none of these companies have learned anything, including some that were actually caught up in the .com bust way back when and managed to just survive (looking at you, Amazon).
 
Yeah, Nvidia, AMD, TSMC, Intel, QCOM, MS, Amazon, Adobe, Cadence...etc...

Will all go bankrupt after the AI bubble...

//SARCASM
 
He's only wrong about one thing: the AI bubble burst will be even WORSE -- far, FAR worse -- than the dot.com bubble burst with far more severe and lasting financial consequences.
Junior Nostradamus have spoken...

You are dead wrong. AI, unlike the .com bubble, is literally the foundation of the 4th industrial revolution. The thing about AI is that we are not able to know what it will bring, but we know it will be way further than what we can imagine.

People don`t think about robotics, but AI will be the foundation for this totally new industry. We are not talking about assembly line robotics here, but full fledge independent robotics sharing moving capabilities similar to Boston Dynamics robots.

Not to mention smart cities and autonomous vehicles.

There is no AI bubble at this point, only a NVIDIA bubble...
 
Junior Nostradamus have spoken...

You are dead wrong. AI, unlike the .com bubble, is literally the foundation of the 4th industrial revolution. The thing about AI is that we are not able to know what it will bring, but we know it will be way further than what we can imagine.

People don`t think about robotics, but AI will be the foundation for this totally new industry. We are not talking about assembly line robotics here, but full fledge independent robotics sharing moving capabilities similar to Boston Dynamics robots.

Not to mention smart cities and autonomous vehicles.

There is no AI bubble at this point, only a NVIDIA bubble...
Neural nets have been around for forty years and all they can do is produce pretty pictures and help advertisers place ads that nobody will ever see. Likewise the debate about self driving cars happened 20 years ago, and it was debated by real experts with no financial interest, and they concluded that it would require something close to human intelligence. Maybe people have been brainwashed with too many comic book movies.
 
A fair counterpoint, insanegamer. My feeling and the reason for my initial post is that the difference is just who is stupidly betting their farms on AI. During the .com bust, the companies that died were for the most part new startups looking for a piece of the .com pie or established companies buying out other companies and startups in hopes of cashing in on it which then brought them down.

The big difference I see here with AI is that we are not talking about startups here. We are talking about huge megacorps like the ones you mentioned that actually have an effect on our daily lives as well as the overall economy who are going to lose billions which will eventually trickle down to us as well as any other company that bets the farm on the AI "solutions" provided by the megacorps.

As comparison, when Pets.com, Boo.com, Broadcast.com and GeoCities went down in the .com bust, I didn't even blink and you probably didn't either. But when Apple, Google, Microsoft, NVIDIA, AMD, Amazon, UPS, the banks, the stock market, the government -- any important entity that affects all our lives and is actually dumb enough to buy into AI -- get burnt... well, fires have a bad habit of spreading to anything and everyone around them. Really scary how none of these companies have learned anything, including some that were actually caught up in the .com bust way back when and managed to just survive (looking at you, Amazon).
Trickle-up has already ruined San Francisco, so it's not looking good for anybody apart from the venture capitalists.
 
Junior Nostradamus have spoken...

There is no AI bubble at this point, only a NVIDIA bubble...

Maybe. They made $30 billion in ONE quarter right...but that's still half of Microsoft's $65 billion and Apple's $85 billion...so a pullback is in order. But if they keep raking in the cash...they might actually grow into their current valuation.
 
How so? Our pensions, governments, banks, and millions of retail investors are invested in the stock market. So how's it gonna be fun?
You're blowing things way of scope. Even if your comment has a grain of truth, which it doesn't, I don't care. AI was a bad idea decades ago when it was dreamed up and it still is. I will smile and laugh when the AI bubble pops just like I did with the bitcoin mining bubble popped. I might even dance a jig! :p
 
You're blowing things way of scope. Even if your comment has a grain of truth, which it doesn't, I don't care. AI was a bad idea decades ago when it was dreamed up and it still is. I will smile and laugh when the AI bubble pops just like I did with the bitcoin mining bubble popped. I might even dance a jig! :p
AI or neural nets were originally called connectionist (statistical) models and were nearly dropped until Grossburg changed their name to neural nets to revive interest. They are nothing like a neuron which is both analogue and binary; and there are over a hundred different types. This happened forty years ago, and although they have improved their use is very limited.
 
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