Beyond Meat is off the menu at Canada's largest coffee chain

[Danny101]

Kind of like the butter vs margarine debate. Butter isn't the greatest for you, but margarine is worst. We already had meatless burgers. They're called soy burgers. Been around for years. This is just 21st century age marketing to a new generation feeding off trends. In the 80's and 90's they just fed kids soy burgers without talking about it. It really comes down to portion control. As people eat healthier, choose not to be gluttons, and exert portion control, then the market will adapt to demand. Meat is good for you, but not in copious amounts of servings. Below any health insights, the Mediterranean diet is your best bet to follow. It's at least universally acknowledge among the confusing array of health news. Keto is a dangerous fad (can't imagine the constipation as a result) and has a very specific health purpose, and not a diet to take up.

 

[CharmsD]

Splashing in the water in the Jungle of Nool, Horton the elephant hears a very faint noise coming from a speck of dust. He soon realizes that there are very small persons that need help and he tries to keep the speck of dust in a safe spot. The other jungle animals think that Horton has lost the plot, how could there be tiny people on this speck? Thinking Horton is a fool; the jungle animals steal the speck of dust and hide it. No one believes Horton but he doesn’t give up. There is an entire universe on that speck and they need to be saved.

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One Horton saved a universe but at different time in another place, a new Horton can't even serve them lunch.

McDonalds pancakes? are pure gold.

 

[PenguinJoe]

My own thoughts on this stuff is that if it tastes just like meat, fine. However when it is priced anywhere from 30% to 50% more to purchase it, I would rather stick to my cheaper real meat-based products because, well, I ain't rich.

 

[DisgruntledSkipp]

Thing is, processed soy is like the worst thing you can put in your body.

It's not Soy, it's pea protein

 

[DisgruntledSkipp]

As I see it, this is a fad. From the best of my understanding, the best source of protein is real meat.

Also, there is quite a bit of misinformation and competitive, in a bad way, information out there on food production methods. As I see it, the large factory meat farms are the worst when it comes to waste, however, small farms that implement sustainable practices fare significantly better.

According to this https://phys.org/news/2020-01-global-population-food-production-lacks.html there is also a lack of focus on people's eating habits when it comes to food production, though this article also lends a nod, incorrectly, IMO, to a vegetarian diet.

That said, a recent article in Forbes reports on a study that estimates that Americans waste up to 40% of their food. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanaba...-us-households-waste-every-year/#2141837a7dc8 My wife and I were talking about this the other day, and she told me that people have come up to her while she is shopping and ask her something along the lines of "how can you use a list to shop?" which she thinks indicates that many people shop for food on an impulse buy basis and likely buy way more than they need subsequently leading to throwing out food that has spoiled.

Due to health concerns, my wife and I strictly measure all the food we eat. It is not an easy process, however, we both feel that it leads us to significantly better health. In doing so, we tend to buy only what we need and only what we will eat before it spoils. I would be surprised if we waste even one percent of the food we buy each year.

Honestly, I would not touch these fake meat products.

Protein is not an issue. Every food has an amino acid complex. The problem with meat is you get all the saturated fat and zero fiber. You also get whatever fertilizer and hormone injected into the cow or its food. For higher protein sources I prefer whole plant-based organic protein sources like like legumes and nuts, or whole grains.

 

[DisgruntledSkipp]

Aren’t the proteins incomplete?

That's been debunked. Every food has an amino acid complex

 

[Allen Lwis]

Beyond meat contains more calories and costs more than the same sized meat patty and is grilled on the same grill. It isn't healthier, it is just a fad that needs to go away.

 

[CharmsD]

In the 80's and 90's they just fed kids soy burgers without talking about it. It really comes down to portion control. As people eat healthier, choose not to be gluttons, and exert portion control, then the market will adapt to demand. Meat is good for you, but not in copious amounts of servings.

I had to eat the best soy burgers money could buy for years, never could tell a difference.

 

[JimboJoneson]

While I can't stand beyond meat, let's not forget that this specific "announcement" isn't really relevant to the future of the product.

Tim Horton's makes most of their profits from their coffee and desserts... Timbits, doughnuts, bagels...

So having "beyond meat" really was just a novelty.

A&W Canada already saturated the "beyond" fast food market in Canada. Extremely popular item on their menu (and its actually really tasty).
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As a general side topic note, while I find no issue with eating meat in itself, part of the reason the Amazon is burning was due to fire started to clear jungle to make farmland to grow GMO soy to feed the cattle to sustain the western voracity for excessive meat eating.

This is happening across the world - our ecosystems are being destroyed heavily to sustain our desire to eat like a king every day. Eating red meat once a week is plenty, yet people have become used to the idea that you need it everyday.

This is the main issue that meat alternates are trying to address, to provide an alternative.

Just an objective note.

 

[bviktor]

That's been debunked. Every food has an amino acid complex

That's possible candidate for most ignorant comment of the day. Please stop spreading such nonsense. Who "debunked" that? Some college drop-out self-entitled "dietitian" blogger? I mean I've seen some dumb sh*t, like stevia raises your blood sugar because it tastes sweet (from a similar 20 yo "dietitian" blogger), but just because you read something on the internet, doesn't mean it's true.

Some food does have all the essential amino acids, that is, all 9 of them. As for food that contains all 21 amino acids (which is what you were referring to), I couldn't find any to begin with, and I doubt there's any.

The one and only veggie that has all the essential amino acids is quinoa, period.

 

[bviktor]

It's not Soy, it's pea protein

My bad then for assuming, but then this is definitely the exception, not the rule. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 vegan products rely on (heavily processed) soy.

 

[Delish1]

Can't wait til someone develops some sort of goofy disease and a law firm blames it on "meatless" burgers. Sue in a BEEF state and they will win LOL.
Then, we will be bombed by ads on TV "If you or a loved one consumed meatless products, and developed
the 492ditxtk33 disease, YOU may be entitled to SUBSTANTIAL financial compensation."

Just what the meat industry is trying to do. Put fear into everyone so they can retain their huge profits from the slaughter of poor innocent animals. If it doesn't bleed it doesn't taste good?What a joke, but not funny especially when its killing people as well as innocent creatures everyday and plenty of it wasted so they can line their pockets and destroy our farming land. I'm sure most of the people on here haven't even tried it because as usual they just follow the typical norm, led by the nose down the long spiral road. We've been needing this since the dawn of time, much better for you, taste great and always feel much more satisfied after eating this as opposed to meat. None of the indigestion problems as opposed to meat for me. If more people tried it the prices would come down and it would be more reasonable but the meat industry doesn't want that!

 

[Delish1]

Kind of like the butter vs margarine debate. Butter isn't the greatest for you, but margarine is worst. We already had meatless burgers. They're called soy burgers. Been around for years. This is just 21st century age marketing to a new generation feeding off trends. In the 80's and 90's they just fed kids soy burgers without talking about it. It really comes down to portion control. As people eat healthier, choose not to be gluttons, and exert portion control, then the market will adapt to demand. Meat is good for you, but not in copious amounts of servings. Below any health insights, the Mediterranean diet is your best bet to follow. It's at least universally acknowledge among the confusing array of health news. Keto is a dangerous fad (can't imagine the constipation as a result) and has a very specific health purpose, and not a diet to take up.

Meat has never been good for us, it's just people think that it's the only protein. There's plenty of other things out there and this one definitely taste closest to what you're used to without all the disgusting stuff. Glad to finally have this choice. Have had far less indigestion problems since. It's a win-win. More people need to try it instead of listening to the meat market drivel on it. Prices will come down and our planet will be a cleaner, safer, place.

 

[Delish1]

Yeah I still dunno about this stuff. Some of the people that eat this gave so much flak about how meat is bad blah blah blah...I mean, how do they process and make this stuff? What chemicals and/or preservatives are added to this?

It's made from peas. Yeah, that's a real killer there. The meat industry just wants people to be afraid to try it so they don't lose their profit. There's plenty of money to be made in this industry if they would just get with the program. Give samples at restaurants and grocery stores. Taste much better than the soy or veggie patties. Start showing people there's something much better, much healthier, much cleaner, much kinder and less messy then meat!

 

[jpuroila]

Meat has never been good for us, it's just people think that it's the only protein. There's plenty of other things out there and this one definitely taste closest to what you're used to without all the disgusting stuff. Glad to finally have this choice. Have had far less indigestion problems since. It's a win-win. More people need to try it instead of listening to the meat market drivel on it. Prices will come down and our planet will be a cleaner, safer, place.

Meat is a lot more than just a source of protein. There are lots of nutrients that are very hard to get(in sufficient quantities) on a plant-based diet, such as B12.

 

[anishtholath]

That's possible candidate for most ignorant comment of the day. Please stop spreading such nonsense. Who "debunked" that? Some college drop-out self-entitled "dietitian" blogger? I mean I've seen some dumb sh*t, like stevia raises your blood sugar because it tastes sweet (from a similar 20 yo "dietitian" blogger), but just because you read something on the internet, doesn't mean it's true.

Some food does have all the essential amino acids, that is, all 9 of them. As for food that contains all 21 amino acids (which is what you were referring to), I couldn't find any to begin with, and I doubt there's any.

The one and only veggie that has all the essential amino acids is quinoa, period.

Soy and buckwheat also have complete amino profile. You can always combine different sources too like peas and rice. These products like beyond meat and quorn do the same.

 

[ckm88]

It's made from peas. Yeah, that's a real killer there. The meat industry just wants people to be afraid to try it so they don't lose their profit. There's plenty of money to be made in this industry if they would just get with the program. Give samples at restaurants and grocery stores. Taste much better than the soy or veggie patties. Start showing people there's something much better, much healthier, much cleaner, much kinder and less messy then meat!

Don't take my comment the wrong way. I love vegetables. I love meat. I'm just asking the community if they know how this stuff is processed and what chemicals/preservatives are truly used to pack the stuff and keep it fresh. I know what's in meat and what's put in it, but just truly curious. I tried Beyond Meat myself and wasn't that big of a fan. I actually prefer those Morningstar veggie patties from time to time.

 

[JimboJoneson]

My bad then for assuming, but then this is definitely the exception, not the rule. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 vegan products rely on (heavily processed) soy.

I'll eat pea based protein isolate (which is what most of these new meatless meats use)... but I won't eat soy, except maybe as a whole fresh bean.

That said, I'm mostly a carnivore (local raised meat if possible), but I totally understand the argument for eating less red meat and not supporting horrific factory farming.

I also agree that soy is not the answer - it gets used because its cheap as hell to grow and is high in protein - which is why it also is grown as cattle feed for the giant factory farms.

 

[JimboJoneson]

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Some food does have all the essential amino acids, that is, all 9 of them. As for food that contains all 21 amino acids (which is what you were referring to), I couldn't find any to begin with, and I doubt there's any.

The one and only veggie that has all the essential amino acids is quinoa, period.

Hemp protein has all nine essential aminos. Just saying ...

Also, you don't need any one food to have all nine. That's a complete myth. All you need to do is ensure you get them across all the foods you ate in a day, or maybe even a longer period. You body breaks everything down into their base aminos then reassembles into other aminos and proteins at a later time, as is needed. Even a "complete" protein will be entirely pulled apart and broken into its base aminos, and re-assembled as the body sees fit - its the same process.

So the argument that you need to eat meat because it contains 9 essential amino acid likely just started as propaganda from the meat factories.

 

[JimboJoneson]

Don't take my comment the wrong way. I love vegetables. I love meat. I'm just asking the community if they know how this stuff is processed and what chemicals/preservatives are truly used to pack the stuff and keep it fresh. I know what's in meat and what's put in it, but just truly curious. I tried Beyond Meat myself and wasn't that big of a fan. I actually prefer those Morningstar veggie patties from time to time.

Here's how it all started. The main idea is that the texture of a food is dictated at least in part by the "shape" of the protein and fat molecules in the food. The researchers looked at the "shape" of the proteins found in meat, then tried to find plant proteins with similar shapes.

They found that legumes contain most of these shapes, along with other proteins of different shapes. Then they extract the proteins that have the same shape as the ones found in meat. This is what gives it a "meaty" texture. Anecdotally, the texture is pretty decent, but there's not really any "meat" flavour.

There' no chemical preservatives, artificial colours, or anything like that in it. I tried to copy the ingredients list here, but it was "copyrighted"(rt-clck disabled) and I don't have time to look for another source.

I'm not advocating people should eat it, but I am an advocate for proper sense-making based on facts, rather than emotional reactions, or grand assumptions - many of which we see on this thread.