Offended by what?
If his faith is so important that he feels like he has to shove it down Techspot readers who am I to stop him?
Brain damage linked to increased likelihood of religious fundamentalism, new study finds
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Offended by what?
If his faith is so important that he feels like he has to shove it down Techspot readers who am I to stop him?
This is an article about scientific research about the link between people with brain damage and their tendency to be religious. The author is not talking about his personal faith at all.
You are offended by it because you wish it were not true since the logical implication of this is that religious people are stupid, and you are religious.
Plain as day for anyone to see.
I am not going to try to force you to believe anything, so you're free to keep believing this kind of article belongs here and you're also free to keep believing I am offended by it. However, holding on to it will not make your or the article's author view/opinion look good at all.
The implication that you could force anyone else to believe something feels very religious.
You don't need to tell me I'm free to believe what I want, I already know that. You may not know it yourself, since you are clearly a religious person.
I don't really care if it belongs here or not. I am a fan of science, truth, and facts. I'm sorry you are not, but that's pretty much the cornerstone of religion so not at all a surprise.
Techspot need not be beholden to an ancient book about magical aliens when making decisions about what to post.
Techspot, your number one source for.....religious studies? Good to see that Techspot is grinding that Buzzfeed pipeline.
You had to take it quite literally just like you did the article...
It reads very much like you don't care if it annoys people or not as long as it fits your views which is something fundamentalists tend to do. It turns out, people who come here do so for tech related stuff. If/when they want that kind of content they can easily browse appropriate sites.
No amount of offense from you will get me to start the type of fight you seem to be looking for so bad. It is almost like your views/beliefs don't give you any satisfaction or peace so you have to try to compensate it somehow.
No, this article has no business being here, I agree with that (just a way for them the get hits and maybe push an agenda)
That being said, it can't be argued that religion is responsible for many atrocities over the years, but it's also responsible for many selfless and good things over the years as well....you never hear about those though, it doesn't get clicks like the negative stories do. I'm am not a religious person, but I am open minded enough to look at both sides.
Also, more to the point of the article, I'm wondering if maybe these "brain damaged" folks are looking to religion because it gives them some peace? The idea that they are not alone and there's something at the end of the tunnel?
That being said, it can't be argued that religion is responsible for many atrocities over the years, but it's also responsible for many selfless and good things over the years as well....you never hear about those though, it doesn't get clicks like the negative stories do. I'm am not a religious person, but I am open minded enough to look at both sides.
Also, more to the point of the article, I'm wondering if maybe these "brain damaged" folks are looking to religion because it gives them some peace? The idea that they are not alone and there's something at the end of the tunnel?
No one should have to defend themselves for not believing in magic. Virgin births, resurrections, celestial realms...
If you want to fight about it, you will fighting with yourself but as long as you keep quoting me I will just maintain my personal stance of accepting science as inherently factual and religion as a made-up fantasy/cult/mind virus for those with poor reasoning skills.
And again, I don't really care if this article fits here or not because I don't see science as political or controversial. Only people that don't accept science because they choose not to, usually because of religion or just because science is too hard for them to understand and it thus upsets them on a personal level; see science as controversial. In reality it's inherently non-controversial because all it does is focus on provable, testable, repeatable experiments and observations to build a realistic framework of reality.
We don't get to choose what science we want to be true and what science we don't.
kiwigraeme
Posts: 2,747 +2,032
I see this as a science article
This falls in line with some general observations.
Those with addictions have a higher propensity to become born agains
Believing in just one way, one truth seems to suggest more rigidity in thinking
As kid grew up in mormon church, ask the missionaries when kid about other sects and religions. they said they may believe, but they don't really believe like we do, Knew that was complete BS
Always remember the bible verse the lords house has many mansions, they interpretation I got was there were many ways to the Lord
Are bible or hindu stories real or just allegory. Least hindu says it's all maya ( illusionary ) , yet in India many believe the the stories of a gods riding a rat, how someone came to have a baby elephant head
Anyway the more flexible the brain from learning a second language etc , or be open and curious, the more likely to be able to handle brain problems . Obviously lesions are a different level
Final observation for full expression of genes and development babies, young kids need a lot od stimulus and lots of conversation , plus good diet etc . So being open to many competing ideas must make for a more flexible brain. Kids from families that can afford paper, crayons, books ( parents who read to kids ) etc have a big boost in life
The sooner your kid learns to lie , generally the more intelligent they are.
The more kids jump around, run and shout and not told to sit still and be demure the more healthier they will grow up and be physically strong, a healthy bogy begets a healthy brain
Lots of fundamentalists do lots of stimulation and have children playing games, as long as kids can slink off from boring bible study and make up their own freeform games
Dark side- lots of incest and sexual abuse in closed sects, where ever people use such control, have taboos, no touching one self, no enjoying your body etc
Plus forced work especially on girts in closed sects, unusual punishments , no food, isolation , public shaming
This falls in line with some general observations.
Those with addictions have a higher propensity to become born agains
Believing in just one way, one truth seems to suggest more rigidity in thinking
As kid grew up in mormon church, ask the missionaries when kid about other sects and religions. they said they may believe, but they don't really believe like we do, Knew that was complete BS
Always remember the bible verse the lords house has many mansions, they interpretation I got was there were many ways to the Lord
Are bible or hindu stories real or just allegory. Least hindu says it's all maya ( illusionary ) , yet in India many believe the the stories of a gods riding a rat, how someone came to have a baby elephant head
Anyway the more flexible the brain from learning a second language etc , or be open and curious, the more likely to be able to handle brain problems . Obviously lesions are a different level
Final observation for full expression of genes and development babies, young kids need a lot od stimulus and lots of conversation , plus good diet etc . So being open to many competing ideas must make for a more flexible brain. Kids from families that can afford paper, crayons, books ( parents who read to kids ) etc have a big boost in life
The sooner your kid learns to lie , generally the more intelligent they are.
The more kids jump around, run and shout and not told to sit still and be demure the more healthier they will grow up and be physically strong, a healthy bogy begets a healthy brain
Lots of fundamentalists do lots of stimulation and have children playing games, as long as kids can slink off from boring bible study and make up their own freeform games
Dark side- lots of incest and sexual abuse in closed sects, where ever people use such control, have taboos, no touching one self, no enjoying your body etc
Plus forced work especially on girts in closed sects, unusual punishments , no food, isolation , public shaming
Starfals
Posts: 239 +222
Coming to see some RTX 5090 news... and what did I found XD
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lol. I guess I should just go back to wccftech if I am to get exposed to this kind of thing on site that is meant to be about tech.
Mr Majestyk
Posts: 2,420 +2,251
Religion has always been the crutch of the mentally feeble. Maybe it has a gene like gays have, aye!
bandit8623
Posts: 665 +400
Cant a site post anything it wants? Im confused by people thinking it shouldnt just because they dont like the topic... I would argue that our brains are very good computers. If not interesting to you just move along.
Actually, Eve took the first bite of the forbidden fruit. She then talked Adam into taking a bite too...
demonicmaniac
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For the love of god, read the article. None of the people commenting seem to have even read one line of the article or the study.
Nowhere does anybody, neither Zo nor the study authors, claim, that religious people - even fundamentalists - all have 'brain damage'.
This is about brain damage in certain areas causing a propensity for fundamentalism/strictness in beliefs.
This is NOT about disparaging or discrediting religions of any kind. This is about research into effects of brain damage and mapping brain regions and their effect on behaviour.
Nowhere does anybody, neither Zo nor the study authors, claim, that religious people - even fundamentalists - all have 'brain damage'.
This is about brain damage in certain areas causing a propensity for fundamentalism/strictness in beliefs.
This is NOT about disparaging or discrediting religions of any kind. This is about research into effects of brain damage and mapping brain regions and their effect on behaviour.
monkeylove
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fadingfool
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Does anyone have access to the whole study as it would be interesting if they did look at other types of ideology -fanatical environmentalism, fanatical transgenderism, scientism (where "science tm" provides the answer rather than the scientific method) and other ideologies. I would also like to check their statistical calculations as the article reads more like a modern phrenology advocating trepanning than a useful study in brain cartography.
demonicmaniac
Posts: 10 +26
the article clearly states that it was limited to mostly christian men due to the subjects involved being one cohort of vietnam veterans being predominately christian males. the study also explicitly states The study simply reveals a plausible biological basis for how people process, justify, and cling to certain belief systems. The study authors mention wanting to do broader studies especially for the male bias in this one and to see if it is a western/christian specific thing or yields similar results with other cultural backgrounds/religions/genders.
fadingfool
Posts: 401 +538
Yes the article does, but it is an article on a study and hence it would be useful to have access to the whole study to see what other assumptions were used and the statistical calculations used to determine significance. Hence a request to have access to the whole paper.
"religious fundamentalism based on their beliefs about religious exclusivity and the idea that there is only one true religion." - did they even check for any other fundamentalism in common across the groups? Was the damage linked to a stick adherence to all beliefs the individuals hold (as in the brain damage stops multiple lines of thought on all subjects or did they check just religious ones)? Where any of the subjects strict vegetarians for example that could not countenance meat eaters?
demonicmaniac
Posts: 10 +26
The actual processes used and their analyses + results are freely available - if you follow the link in the article and then the supporting information download on that site that contains all the relevant information about methodics at least without their conclusions.
And no, they didn't test for anything beyond religious fundamentalism in this study. They are simply running standardized questionnaires for fundamentalism - which also needs to be noted is not the same as being religious - and brain mapping to compare if damage to certain regions is consistent with stronger fundamentalism which is not a measure of being religious or not but simply the level of fundamentalism. But again, that is in the free downloadable supporting information pdf. It is definitely a first study suggesting the function of some brain areas in terms of general rigidity in any kind of belief. I would assume from what I read that it would affect any kind of fundamentalism and aggressive opposition to any other group
And no, they didn't test for anything beyond religious fundamentalism in this study. They are simply running standardized questionnaires for fundamentalism - which also needs to be noted is not the same as being religious - and brain mapping to compare if damage to certain regions is consistent with stronger fundamentalism which is not a measure of being religious or not but simply the level of fundamentalism. But again, that is in the free downloadable supporting information pdf. It is definitely a first study suggesting the function of some brain areas in terms of general rigidity in any kind of belief. I would assume from what I read that it would affect any kind of fundamentalism and aggressive opposition to any other group
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The article is addressing brain damage as the cause of religious extremism, not the other way around.
Terms like "fundamentalism" are seldom defined in the media and are loaded with different meanings for different people. For instance, many would equate the terms "evangelicalism" and "fundamentalism" but they are very different for others. In fact, the two terms arose from different historical contexts separated by about 50 years.
Absolutely spot on! I would expect to see this article in a medical science journal, not a technology web site.
TempleOrion
Posts: 175 +142
How about ignoring it (you know, like religious nuts ignore reality)? And go on your merry way. The demon atheists (LOL) aren't forcing you to read it, pretty sure even you know that...
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