lol - you keep replying - again, why are you so bothered by this?
Coin-sized nuclear 3V battery with 50-year lifespan enters mass production
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joey121215
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You seem to like repeating yourself, I don't. Go back and read the previous messages that you clearly did not read or comprehend.
I've literally just tried to get you to expand your horizons and try something new and different, but you're too stubborn headed to even see that lol the hypocrisy of saying I think the world revolves around me when you're unwilling to even try using a smartwatch is hysterical
Oh I read them - I just disagree with what you say
Again, you COULD just stop replying and go away… yet something makes you have to try and convince me… it’s not going to happen - to quote from my niece’s favourite movie: “let it go”
joey121215
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What in my last several messages has been me trying to convince you anymore and not just mocking and laughing at you lolOh I read them - I just disagree with what you say
Again, you COULD just stop replying and go away… yet something makes you have to try and convince me… it’s not going to happen - to quote from my niece’s favourite movie: “let it go”
You couldn't even put that together even though I put it in plain English several messages back LMAO
lol - I doubt you appreciate my replies then
joey121215
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Who the hell doesn't appreciate a good laugh?????lol - I doubt you appreciate my replies then
I know a few
joey121215
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Well since you clearly lack basic critical thinking skills, I'll put this together for you, if I wasn't enjoying laughing at you I wouldn't keep replying, but I know you're just going to keep saying stupid ****, and it makes me laugh, so I doI know a few
With how much you seem to enjoy it though, since you keep replying and asking for it, I'm guessing you might be a masochist yourself lol
This has started to become a bit like picking on an infant though, easy and unintellectually stimulating since they seem incapable of comprehending what's happening
The amount of text you keep inundating this thread with is impressive - I appreciate your efforts… even if they’re wasted
I think some of these use cases could be solved for by pairing the nuclear battery with a traditional rechargeable lithium battery or perhaps a capacitor. Basically the nuclear battery is a small nuclear generator. The fact it's at 3V is great because it can charge 1.5V batteries.
Also, if nothing else, their new 1W version coming out in a year or so may solve your use case
joey121215
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You really don't get it lmfaoThe amount of text you keep inundating this thread with is impressive - I appreciate your efforts… even if they’re wasted
I do though… but perhaps you don’t …
This is interesting for ultra low power applications and maybe simple low power applications if they can produce a small 1W version
I would find the technology more interesting though if they can produce something bulkier that produces 100W for 50 years. I would love to have a shielded nuclear battery the size of 1 or 2 12V car batteries in a metal cabinet or maybe just a thin concrete box that produces 100W steady state and let's say that's at 60V. That's 2.4 kWh every single day for to years, that can be used to charge a 48V home solar system. 50 years or more of base load generation 24 hours per day drastically reduces the need for large battery backup. It also means the 10 to 25% solar produced on cloudy days is backed by this base load supply. My fridge uses about 1 kWh per day. Fridge plus dome lights, Internet router, and TV time would all be covered by the 100W base load.
This is low grade radioactive material by the way people. There's no "hacking it" to make it to "boom".
I would find the technology more interesting though if they can produce something bulkier that produces 100W for 50 years. I would love to have a shielded nuclear battery the size of 1 or 2 12V car batteries in a metal cabinet or maybe just a thin concrete box that produces 100W steady state and let's say that's at 60V. That's 2.4 kWh every single day for to years, that can be used to charge a 48V home solar system. 50 years or more of base load generation 24 hours per day drastically reduces the need for large battery backup. It also means the 10 to 25% solar produced on cloudy days is backed by this base load supply. My fridge uses about 1 kWh per day. Fridge plus dome lights, Internet router, and TV time would all be covered by the 100W base load.
This is low grade radioactive material by the way people. There's no "hacking it" to make it to "boom".
According to the Radionuclide Data Sheet I found here
https://ehs.missouri.edu/sites/ehs/files/pdf/isotopedata/ni-63.pdf
The answer is effectively none.
As a beta emitter, the skin dose you would receive is zero (0) mrad/hour when exposed to either a point source or a disk source. Per the drawing of this battery, the source would best be described as a disk source.
The required shielding in either aluminum or water for Ni-63 to block all beta emissions is 0.01 cm, or a tenth of a millimeter. Most battery cases would meet or exceed this thickness with either steel or aluminum, and hopefully the dead part of your skin (epidermis) is about that thick as well over most of your body. As with most metal objects, it would be best not to take it internally.
All of the heehawing, jeering, and questioning of applications aside, I'm just happy to see that at least one of these so called "battery innovations" are actually going to mass market production. So many promise us the future but remain so far into the fanciful regarding viability, or just simply never makes it out of the laboratory or beyond its scientific white paper.
BadThad
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More Chinese propaganda. Re-hash of 1970's USA technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaic_device
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaic_device
Sounds like it's pretty similar to this design, albeit with a higher claimed output
https://web.archive.org/web/2020102...ype_nuclear_battery_packs_10_times_more_power
The nuclear battery prototype consisted of 200 diamond converters interlaid with nickel-63 and stable nickel foil layers (figure 1). The amount of power generated by the converter depends on the thickness of the nickel foil and the converter itself, because both affect how many beta particles are absorbed. Currently available prototypes of nuclear batteries are poorly optimized, since they have excessive volume. If the beta radiation source is too thick, the electrons it emits cannot escape it. This effect is known as self-absorption. However, as the source is made thinner, the number of atoms undergoing beta decay per unit time is proportionally reduced. Similar reasoning applies to the thickness of the converter.
https://web.archive.org/web/2020102...ype_nuclear_battery_packs_10_times_more_power
The nuclear battery prototype consisted of 200 diamond converters interlaid with nickel-63 and stable nickel foil layers (figure 1). The amount of power generated by the converter depends on the thickness of the nickel foil and the converter itself, because both affect how many beta particles are absorbed. Currently available prototypes of nuclear batteries are poorly optimized, since they have excessive volume. If the beta radiation source is too thick, the electrons it emits cannot escape it. This effect is known as self-absorption. However, as the source is made thinner, the number of atoms undergoing beta decay per unit time is proportionally reduced. Similar reasoning applies to the thickness of the converter.
SirStephen
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Oops. The idea is good but Chinese company... a moving nuclear bomb...
Betavoltaics use very mildly radioactive materials which cannot produce a nuclear explosion.
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Did McDonnell Douglas create a coin-sized battery too?
And it's beta radiation, lead isn't needed for shielding.
The US dropped the ball when it did not care for nuclear safety at 3 Mile.
The US dropped the ball again when it did not resurrect the nuclear battery after all these years, neither the government nor a private corporation. So I give credit to this Chinese corporation for doing so.
Do you work for a company that specialises in regular low-capacity battery replacements, by any chance?
SirStephen
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Setting aside all the conspiracy theory stuff...
You do not typically shield beta particles with lead because it'll create X-rays, which are more dangerous. Low energy beta particles, like those produced by this battery, are actually easily shielded by a thin layer of aluminum, glass, or plastic. The thin aluminum case shown is almost certainly enough to protect against beta particle radiation. The greatest danger outside of swallowing or inhaling the material (which is all safely contained and would require you to disassemble the battery in order to get that type of exposure) is skin burns, but that requires exposure to far more radiation than the material inside the battery is able to produce and the shielding is enough to prevent that type of exposure in the first place.
It's not from the US.
Okay
I'm not certain it would require conventional profitability as I assume you're seeing it, in order to survive. I imagine by profitability you mean it needs to be mass produced and sold to the public at a scale and affordable price such as with Apple Watches as to make it profitable.
But there are many applications such a battery could serve well that governments and other large entities would be willing to pay a much, much higher price for, actually making it profitable on a much smaller scale of production.
Vanderlinde
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100 microwatts is not a disaster. Start using a bigger capacitor to store energy that need a larger and spiked, current. Then the picture looks different.
50 Years of usage.. I doubt it. As years come by the whole unit is likely going to be disintegrated.
50 Years of usage.. I doubt it. As years come by the whole unit is likely going to be disintegrated.
You do know how they obtain most of this tech right? A little thing called stealing it from other countries so they can make knock off versions.
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