Does the i7-920 have four or eight cores?

[captaincranky]

Would I be losing much if I go with B360 and not H370? I mean, price difference I guess is somewhere 20-30 EUR if even?

Here's a spec chart on Intel 3xx series chipsets. If you'll notice the lowest (310) only provides 4 SATA 3 ports, instead of six. It's only the X370 sets (I believe) which have PCE-E ports for M.2 style SSD The 370 series is also the only chip set which can be natively over clocked..

As far as it goes, your end game will dictate which chip set you should choose. https://www.eteknix.com/intel-300-series-chipset-feature-comparison-chart/

P.S. I am not sure about rules of this forum, looks like I unwillingly hijacked this topic with my question re small upgrade of my rig. If that's not cool, I am OK to stop posting on here about my PC.

As far as my feelings go, a dead thread can't be hijacked, per se. I'd call it a "necrobump".

Be that as it may, (IMHO), you can continue on here, or mull over your build, then present it listed in a new thread, it's not that important. If you move to a new thread though, we'll have to hunt it down, If you continue here, we'll get uninterrupted notifications.

FWIW, Gigabyte motherboards carry more goodwill and prestige than other brands. I build with them exclusively, and from from the test results I've encountered, they over clock the best of all brands. That may not be your thing, but the heavier PC copper and solid capacitors, are something to be seriously considered for longevity's sake. Those are the 2 main reasons I stick with the brand..

As far as memory compatibility goes, by all accounts, Asus boards are the touchiest and the most sensitive.

Newegg's store brand, "Gskill", is very, very, reliable. Unfortunately, with you quoting prices in pounds sterling, I don't know if you can get your hands on it.

 

[MaikuTech]

Check the memory compatibility list and choose which memory you want.
I am not sure about amazon.uk but they should have kingston, crucial and some of corsair over there.
If not check newegg.com.uk here is one for example:
https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Pr...x?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100196107 600561672

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148984

Amazon and newegg are like day and night, one of them has a great deal at an affordable price.
The other site may have exactly what you need but at a high *** price tag. =/
Lucky for you both will ship throughout most of the reign of eu and the united kingdom.

 

[HardReset]

So this build should look like this?
I hate Amazon search, so hard to find anything in it. Im usless Trying to see if there is any decent priced H370 or even B ones with Type C, Wifi and few other bits which would be required.

http://amzn.eu/8LNsCKh
Only RAM is 2x 8 GB.

btw, I cannot find the RAM you showed in the compatible list of AsRock mobo website?

Memory compatibility lists have no real use. Just buy physically (same memory slot, DDR4 memory for DDR4 slot etc) and electrically compatible (compatible volts and MHz) memory and that's it. Listing memory on compatibility list does not make it any more compatible outside those things.

Here's a spec chart on Intel 3xx series chipsets. If you'll notice the lowest (310) only provides 4 SATA 3 ports, instead of six. It's only the X370 sets (I believe) which have PCE-E ports for M.2 style SSD The 370 series is also the only chip set which can be natively over clocked..

Ahem, I understand you are meaning H370 and Z370 chipsets but X370 happens to be exact name of AMD chipset

Also B360 chipset can offer M.2 ports, just depends on motherboard.

 

[captaincranky]

Ahem, I understand you are meaning H370 and Z370 chipsets but X370 happens to be exact name of AMD chipset

Also B360 chipset can offer M.2 ports, just depends on motherboard.

OK, my bad. Z is Intel, X is AMD.

I offered the possible absence of an M2 port as something to consider. I didn't check every possible maker's every board.

IMHO, the lowest 3xx chipset (310 ?), is a no go. The loss of 2 SATA ports renders it worthless.

 

[Mope]

It's probably no coincidence that my current mobo is Gigabyte (UD7) and its never given me any issues since I bought it in 2009
3 SATA ports wouldn't be an issue to me. Im very light on content. Dont download or listen to music from PC, but I guess its ofcourse worth considering.
Ill shop around for H370 or B360 from Gigabyte and for RAM I'd like Kingston (as my current ones).

If you guys spot anything online hit me up.

Btw, is it only my phone is buggy when typing on this forum? It doesn't register quick pick words from Google keyboard most of times

 

[MaikuTech]

Gigabyte b360m will work with kingston hyperx ddr4 2133 - ddr4 2400.
I know you rather not go the amazon route but if you can't find lower prices to get the items you want.
Sometimes that maybe the best way, also android likes to auto sense what you're trying to type.
I found myself disabling that on my samsung galaxy j, just make sure your finger swings are accurate.

 

[Mope]

I have nothing against Amazon, friend has Prime so id be alright with shipping and time.
There is so many different mobo from Gigabyte... I ve seen a few I can afford. Like 90-120 range. Now question is to pick the best without over paying for features I dont need. I think quality of all of them is same.

As for phone, I have it off. Im talking about those suggest words on top of keyboard. Many times this forum doesn't register me clicking on them.

Example of mobo. Was browsing on Newegg but mobile version didnt go to co.uk so I was just testing out. RAM 16 gb is in range of 150 eur anyway. Mobo cost less, bizarre.

 

[MaikuTech]

Yeah but newegg finally set the normal price tag for the Core i5 8400.
Before its too late though and you still have the money.
Grab that cpu first while its still on sale at amazon.
That way you'll have the first major component of your build already covered.
Also just go to www.google.com then type in the search newegg.com.
At neweggs global site, change the reign flag and it should go to that version of it.
https://www.newegg.com/global/fr
French peoples site for newegg.com. =/

 

[captaincranky]

It's probably no coincidence that my current mobo is Gigabyte (UD7) and its never given me any issues since I bought it in 2009
3 SATA ports wouldn't be an issue to me. Im very light on content. Dont download or listen to music from PC, but I guess its of course worth considering.

If possible, I'd absolutely go with a board which has the M.2 PCI-e slot. While the 2.5" SATA 3 drives are quite fast, the M.2 PCI-e SSDs can nearly quadruple the throughput, making the machine blisteringly fast. I'm pretty sure you's need to bump up the chip set before you get that M.2 slot. You'll just have to consider the extra consider SATA 3 ports as a gift, or necessary evil, whichever gives you the most piece of mind. At some point you might want to consider using your PC as a home theater, and the extra posts can be mighty handy. I won't really go above 2 TB HDD storage drives, and movies ripped to the drive can take up a lot of space in a hurry/

Ill shop around for H370 or B360 from Gigabyte and for RAM I'd like Kingston (as my current ones).

Yeah, you know if you don;t go crazy with the super duper bells and whistles gaming versions of those chip sets, they can be had fairly reasonably.

If I may say so, I think too much is being made of "RAM compatibility". Very often RAM sticks aren't listed as definitely "compatible", because the maker either didn't bother to test it, or it wasn't available for testing when the board was released.

I will say, the closer you buy the RAM, to the standard speed, the less trouble you're likely to have. The issue with Intel boards using the on the CPU graphics, is they won't boot with the higher speed RAM. If you're going with a separate video card, it's a lot less critical, The stock on CPU graphics well generally only work with the lowest speed RAM for the chip set.

So, unless you're looking for all out gaming performance, the slower RAM can be a better all around purchase, and save you some money in the process. With a SSD as your C/: drive, your machine will still be very responsive.

As I said, the Gskill has never failed me, and it's usually favorably priced. While I'm aware of Kingston's as a fine product as well, I usually think of it more in the context of flash cards for digital cameras. Kingston has put a lot of research,and advertising into that niche.

So, the moral of the story here is, if you're going to use Intel graphics to begin with , you'll likely have to buy the slower RAM, then re-buy the faster stuff later when you install a separate card. Or, in the alternative, buy the fast RAM and video card together at the outset.

I do think you really need a huge bump in RAM speed to make a major noticeable difference. A couple of hundred MHz, isn't really all that noticeable.

Just my 2 cents, or 2 pence, if you prefer.

 

[Mope]

Lads, im drowning in Gigabyte mobos. So many with Z370. Found one on Amazon for 90+ Z370P.
What website do you use to compare mobos? I'll go have a look at home page of Gigabyte for starters.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0775JBB87/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_QOIxBb0EE4FE4

As for ram, only stock 2666. Also, ive been away from hardware for good while, I saw there are three types of 2666 ram, whats the deal with that? The long number is different beside speed.

I run 290 gpu for now.

 

[Mope]

My god, 17 Gigabyte mobos fall under filter: z370, m.2, wifi, typeC on their website.

I guess now I need to find one I can find of them for money I can afford and just go with it.

 

[captaincranky]

My god, 17 Gigabyte mobos fall under filter: z370, m.2, wifi, typeC on their website.

I guess now I need to find one I can find of them for money I can afford and just go with it.

Well, you can rule out half of them, simply by deciding if you want a full size ATX board, or a Matx micro board!

Then, compare features on boards in the middle of the price range. That should leave you with 3 or 4 tops, to choose from.

One key feature would be the type of dual graphic card brand the board(s) allow. AMD dual is "Crossfire", while Nvidia ts "SLI".

Although I will say, with the current generations of graphics cards available, having 2 of them really isn't as important as it once was,

I have to do a little catching up myself. My last build was Z170 i5-6600K. The "just boot me RAM" for 6th generation Intel, was only 2133 Mhz....

Just out of curiosity, are we including "RGB" as the third memory type? 'Cause all that does different, is light up.

 

[Mope]

A yeah, running two GPU will never be my thing. Btw, all of those 17 seemingly have 2x 16 PCIe or more.

And all of above are ATX. I will just go through their prices first if I find few in range of 90-120 eur - then ill compare them.

Am I missing something?

Btw, ive opened one of those mobo page and under ram it said that only 2133 is native speed? Every other up to 4000 is through XMP?
Need to do more digging

 

[Mope]

Right, this is what I plan to buy this evening.
Enough sata ports, USB ports, supports 2666 (need to clarify how many in total as I'm SimRacing need a food few of them)

Any advice?

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]....Btw, ive opened one of those mobo page and under ram it said that only 2133 is native speed? Every other up to 4000 is through XMP?
Need to do more digging

2133 may well be the native speed, but it only matters if you intend to use the CPU's built in Intel graphics (UHD-630 are the onboard)

Newegg won't even connect me to their UK site, so I can't help you with price. Over here in the colonies, Newegg is giving me a promo code for the i5-8500 @$205.99 vs $199.99 for the i5-8400. (USD obviously) Which of course I realize does you no good whatsoever, and I can barely manage the exchange rate. Just makin' conversation..

Obviously, I'd spring the 6 bucks and get the step up unit. If you going to be building and buying parts, I'd suggest you enroll in Newegg's email advertising. I don't say that lightly, as I normally try like hell to stay off such potential spam fountains.

 

[Mope]

All ordered.
8600 (no K)
16 GB HyperX 2666
Z370P D3 mobo

Thanks all for advises!

 

[elites2012]

4 true cores. 8 threads. cores and threads are not the same. so the 920 is a quad core 8 thread chip.

 

[Mope]

Just have some sort completion here
All parts installed and working. Thank god I did not have to look for another CPU to update BIOS, it all worked out of the box.

Strangely, the game I play most - Assetto Corsa - now has always FPS above 85 even with max amount of cars. GPU is the same, plus I've bumped all Graphics to Maximum, where is before I played on Conservative settings just to get more FPS.
Why I am saying strangely is because previously, I'd have in range of 30-60 FPS, but CPU would be far from heavy used, pretty much idling. Now, I am trying to understand what is going on? Which part was actually bottlenecking then? RAM? CPU (even so it was not fully utilized).

 

[captaincranky]

Well, as I stated before, the newest quads (4 cores NO hyperthreading), will outperform the older 4 x 8 thread CPUs.
So, you're obviously getting more throughput. The percentage of CPU being used, can only reference to that CPU. In other words, 12% used of CPU "A", might be many times more information being transmitted than 12% of CPU "B". Besides the new CPU likely has newer instruction set than your i7.

Doubling the memory does dramatically affect the "WEI" scores, (Windowes Experience Index). Although I doubt that many hardcore gamers pay attention to that measure of performance

I was playing with an old Clarkdale rig, ( i3-530 ), which had 2 x 2 GBs of RAM. I installed an SSD, along with 2 more 2 GB sticks of RAM. Predictaably the C:/ drive score jumped dramatically, but the memory index also went up by nearly 2 full points. All sets of RAM, (perhaps obviously), being the same speed.

So, what exactly is going on with your rig, I can't say for certain, but it's likely a combination of more CPU throughput, and more and faster RAM.

I do believe that losing the hyperthreading, in this case, was certainly no loss at all. Still keep in mind, you might get different results in different tasks, such as video rendering.

The newer CPUs & chip sets should also have more Pci-e lanes. Are you sure that the graphics card was running at full 16X?