Early DirectX 12 game performance strongly favors AMD

This should be categorized as "for your interest" instead of "news".... One game benchmark on a beta really gives us only ONE conclusion... That the AMD does a bit better on THAT BENCHMARK!!

Once several DX12 games go live, and we have benchmarks on them, we can start drawing REAL conclusions as to which GPUs are better...

For now, this is just idle speculation.
 
Squid Surprise said:
This should be categorized as "for your interest" instead of "news".... One game benchmark on a beta really gives us only ONE conclusion... That the AMD does a bit better on THAT BENCHMARK!!
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As a mile marker in the gaming industry, it probably warrants a mention as "news", although it's importance will be more relevant in hindsight depending upon its release in relation to other DX12 games.
If a AAA title is released with a DX12 patch before AofS launches, the value will be somewhat lessened. As it stands, AofS is just one DX12 title slated for release before the end of the year - and Ashes of the Singularity hasn't reached beta status yet. It is still at alpha development stage.
 
When something's importance can only be measured in hindsight, then it's not worth commenting on now... so not really news... let me know when some DX12 games come out - and let's get some benchmarks on multiple hardware setups to see if it's the CPU or the GPU or the RAM or... you see where I'm getting at?
 
Squid Surprise said:
then it's not worth commenting on now... so not really news... let me know when some DX12 games come out -
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And yet you are here commenting when it's not really worth it. Patients, more DX12 titles will come and I'm sure Techspot will be among the first to benchmark them. You act as if your first born is not news and you don't want to hear about it, until you have a 6 kids. That way you can benchmark how evil they are.
 
Squid Surprise said:
When something's importance can only be measured in hindsight, then it's not worth commenting on now... so not really news...
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Like Government elections for example? A new Government doesn't generally take over immediately, and it can be some time before their policies are implemented...and even longer for the economic and sociological impact to be felt - assuming they lead to any tangible change at all. By your reasoning the tallying of votes on election day isn't news, and nor would a whole raft of scientific, technological, economic, and sociological events whose effects or proofs aren't immediate.
 
dividebyzero said:
Like Government elections for example? A new Government doesn't generally take over immediately, and it can be some time before their policies are implemented...and even longer for the economic and sociological impact to be felt - assuming they lead to any tangible change at all. By your reasoning the tallying of votes on election day isn't news, and nor would a whole raft of scientific, technological, economic, and sociological events whose effects or proofs aren't immediate.
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Lol... Love the last 2 trolls... Elections actually DO have immediate effects as well as long term... When a political party wins an election, one can look at past history of that party and make certain assumptions - you also know they WILL affect many people in some way... Therefore: news!!

Find me past history of one benchmark of an alpha game DEFINITELY affecting the tech world... You can't because they don't... We need more to draw any conclusions...

For the previous poster comparing this to children... Compare this to a woman with 6 kids noting that all 6 - and ALL their friends - prefer Rice Krispies to corn flakes - she can probably assume that Rice Krispies is a tastier cereal...

Then a woman who is 3 months pregnant notes that when she eats both cereals, her stomach feels better after eating corn flakes - so she assumes that her child - and all her future children - will prefer corn flakes...

See the flaw?!?
 
Squid Surprise said:
When a political party wins an election, one can look at past history of that party and make certain assumptions - you also know they WILL affect many people in some way... Therefore: news!!
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Assumptions based on future events which may, or may not be realized to some variable extent = News. Got it. So if the result hasn't occurred (thus "assumed"), it still qualifies as news based on prior examples.
Which brings me to...
Squid Surprise said:
Find me past history of one benchmark of an alpha game DEFINITELY affecting the tech world... You can't because they don't...
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You're kidding right?
Gaming history is littered with examples that caused shifts in industry focus. Since you seem totally unaware of this, here's probably the greatest example.
John Carmack's id Software released QTest - a demo based on the soon to be released Quake using the engine of the same name. As soon as it was released it basically caused a paradigm shift in gaming perceptions for CPU manufacturers (since Quake is FPU computation heavy and immediately made Intel the gaming choice), online multiplayer gaming ( QTest has inbuilt TCP/IP multiplayer support), user performance notification ( the Turtle icon when framerate dropped), Free look / Mouselook support (kickstarting what would become the gaming mouse industry), led to the defining game benchmark used in the industry, and attracted a company called 3dfx to target the upcoming full Quake game with a proprietary API....a game and reviewers benchmark darling that virtually consigned a whole raft of graphics vendors into "also ran" status overnight.

Is AofS's Nitrous engine the new Quake? Probably not. I suspect that UE4 will shape gaming to a larger degree, but it does bring some interesting developments - developments that are sure to be replicated by other developers keen to exploit the resources that AMD's Asynchronous Compute Engines allow for (and I'd assume that Nvidia is already looking to replicate if they haven't done so already).
 
dividebyzero said:
Assumptions based on future events which may, or may not be realized to some variable extent = News. Got it. So if the result hasn't occurred (thus "assumed"), it still qualifies as news based on prior examples.
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EDIT: I apologize for the insult, that was uncalled for.

I meant elections have IMMEDIATE effects as WELLas future ones... the future ones are assumption based - but we do know that there WILL be some effects... name a past election that didn't have SOME SORT of effect on someone!! If nothing else, the party that loses is out of a job... Therefore... an election counts as news!!


dividebyzero said:
Gaming history is littered with examples that caused shifts in industry focus. Since you seem totally unaware of this, here's probably the greatest example.
John Carmack's id Software released QTest - a demo based on the soon to be released Quake using the engine of the same name. As soon as it was released it basically caused a paradigm shift in gaming perceptions for CPU manufacturers (since Quake is FPU computation heavy and immediately made Intel the gaming choice), online multiplayer gaming ( QTest has inbuilt TCP/IP multiplayer support), user performance notification ( the Turtle icon when framerate dropped), Free look / Mouselook support (kickstarting what would become the gaming mouse industry), led to the defining game benchmark used in the industry, and attracted a company called 3dfx to target the upcoming full Quake game with a proprietary API....a game and reviewers benchmark darling that virtually consigned a whole raft of graphics vendors into "also ran" status overnight.

Is AofS's Nitrous engine the new Quake? Probably not. I suspect that UE4 will shape gaming to a larger degree, but it does bring some interesting developments - developments that are sure to be replicated by other developers keen to exploit the resources that AMD's Asynchronous Compute Engines allow for (and I'd assume that Nvidia is already looking to replicate if they haven't done so already).
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The Quake engine was NOT based on an alpha build - it was a playable beta (probably one of the most popular of all time), though it DID change gaming perceptions drastically... that's NOT what we're talking about here though...

DX12 is the thing we're talking about that may or may not (probably will) change gaming.... NOT an alpha build that only has the distinction of being first...

When Unreal Engine 4 comes out and gets benchmarked, THAT might be construed as news - but not in alpha mode!!
 
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Squid Surprise said:
The Quake engine was NOT based on an alpha build - it was a playable beta (probably one of the most popular of all time), though it DID change gaming perceptions drastically... that's NOT what we're talking about here though...
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Quake - the game - was released (or rather initially, leaked) as a beta. Beta 0.8 being the most widely recognized.
The Quake engine debuted in QTest - which is almost universally accepted as the alpha of Quake - the game. QTest - the alpha (or rather, pre-alpha build as explained in the link) - and the engine moved the industry
On February 24, 1996, id released a program called "qtest1." Qtest was called a "pre-alpha" release of Quake.
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Squid Surprise said:
DX12 is the thing we're talking about that may or may not (probably will) change gaming.... NOT an alpha build that only has the distinction of being first...
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Maybe, maybe not, but if the Nitrous engine gets licensed out for AAA titles and continues to leverage AMD's GCN asynchronous compute ability, then its almost a given that it will have an impact on AMD's fortunes, and will find itself replicated in OGL Vulkan based games which has a potential to reach a much wider audience than DX12 alone.

Now, since you seem more at home hurling insults than a discussion, I'll leave you to it.
 
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I apologize for the insult - that was uncalled for.... my only defense is that it was late at night and I was already miffed at another poster in another thread....

I will amend my opinion - IMPORTANT NEWS is something that actually affects something....

I still maintain that this benchmark is nothing but "interesting".... important news will be when we see something definitive.
 
Squid Surprise said:
So now we have a benchmark from Unreal Engine 4... and... shockingly... it strongly slants to Nvidia - much like the rest of the DX11 world...

http://techreport.com/review/29090/fable-legends-directx-12-performance-revealed

While this also might not represent anything we see in the real world, at least it's based on an engine that we know will power a lot of our newest and more popular games...

AMD Fanboys: got any comebacks?
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Yeah, saw that too. It looks like AMD only has Nvidia beat in Async compute, which is just one part of DX 12.

Bad news for AMD because they really could have used the advantage. One would expect that most optimization time is going to go to the more popular manufacturer and Nvidia is just that.
 
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