Elon Musk makes the argument that we're living in a simulation

I'll grant Elon Musk is good at business, but it stops there.
No, he's a charismatic and a con artist, which he's been able to harness in furtherance of business. There's a big difference. How else could you have Tesla stock rise in value, after posting a 200,000,000.+ quarterly loss?

(Musk), "We'll beez a gittin' y'all those cars one day"! (Audience kneels, bows their heads and collectively sighs, "god bless you Elon").
I think we agree captaincranky, I just think being a charismatic con-artist is how the wealthiest business's do it, works for politicians too. As long as the share price goes up and there are dividends for investors, who needs an actual product?
 
I wish this article had been printed, then I could wipe my back side and mail it in to show them MY opinion or their opinions!
 
His question - what's wrong with that argument? I'm surprised someone as smart as him doesn't see it.

It's the assumption that technology will continue to advance to the point where it would be indistinguishable from reality. There's no reason to believe that. It completely ignores diminishing returns. Progress has limits.
Examples - in like 1970 it became popular to impersonate Elvis and like 1 out of every million people was an Elvis impersonator. By like 1975 there were twice as many of them. Well... if you follow that forward then sooner or later (even if it's thousands of years) everyone would be dressed like Elvis singing 'aint nothing but a hound dog.' That's obviously not true.

Or what about gas mileage. 20 years ago we got 25 miles per gallon - today we can get 45. Does that mean in 100 years we'll have gasoline engines that get 200 miles per gallon? Of course not... there's only a limited about of energy in a gallon of gas.

(I won't even get into AI and where it's supposed to be by now)

Things don't scale like he describes. I know he has his head in the clouds, but he has to understand this. His cars are like normally 2 years late to delivery. Reason being - you can't predict how things will scale upward. If there's anyone who should understand this it's someone who's missed deadline after deadline.
 
...[ ]...Things don't scale like he describes. I know he has his head in the clouds, but he has to understand this. His cars are like normally 2 years late to delivery. Reason being - you can't predict how things will scale upward. If there's anyone who should understand this it's someone who's missed deadline after deadline.
No, Musk is the personification of an archaic adage, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t".

Then there's the definition of someone who believes his own bulls**t, "pathological liar". Musk is perfectly tailored for this category as well.

I'm truly surprised this beat off didn't put on his "designer Martian work suit", to give this little chat, then I remembered that's not even done yet.
 
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So instead of an analogue creation theory we now have a digital one. As an atheist I cant get my head around an "all powerful creator" of any kind.
Aethism is no different than any other religion. They all claim to know the answer. Aethists just say there is no creator. Thats their answer. Neither side can proove themselves. Nobody knows.
 
Aethism is no different than any other religion. They all claim to know the answer. Aethists just say there is no creator. Thats their answer. Neither side can proove themselves. Nobody knows.
More importantly, only fools care.
 
Aethism is no different than any other religion. They all claim to know the answer. Aethists just say there is no creator. Thats their answer. Neither side can proove themselves. Nobody knows.
Religious people believe what they believe for beliefs sake, despite the lack of proof. Atheists believe what they believe because of the lack of proof.
 
Religious people believe what they believe for beliefs sake, despite the lack of proof. Atheists believe what they believe because of the lack of proof.
And here I thought we were merely waiting for the religious people to give us proof.....:confused:
 
Aethism is no different than any other religion. They all claim to know the answer. Aethists just say there is no creator. Thats their answer. Neither side can proove themselves. Nobody knows.
Religious people believe what they believe for beliefs sake, despite the lack of proof. Atheists believe what they believe because of the lack of proof.
Yet there is no proof for either side. Believing in one is no more ridiculous than other. The way Elon was looking at the ceiling and panning his eyes back n forth just made it look like he was making **** up on the fly.
 
Yet there is no proof for either side. Believing in one is no more ridiculous than other. The way Elon was looking at the ceiling and panning his eyes back n forth just made it look like he was making **** up on the fly.
First of all, this thread has little to nothing to do with religion. Second, and much more importantly, this whole "dream within a dream" horse crap, is nothing but stoner existentialism wrapped in "newspeak", by a "false prophet". I honestly wish this mutt would fly the f*** off, and nuke the polar caps on Mars. He's so full of s***, he could fart himself there,
 
In my opinion, this is a bunch of hogwash.
God created the heavens and the universe.
You can have your own opinion, this is mine.
 
As for religious people, the premise from them is always "prove god doesn't exist." God d-mn prove that he does. As for the simulation, It is true because I'm the one running it. Don't I have my finger in every pie? It runs on the ibm mainframe that I owned attached to a mac whose time machine application makes it omnipotent thru time. It has 5 meg of actual memory but uses your minds as supplementary memory. Sorry it's just so horrible but it might be that I never upgraded it. Believe that? Existence of god is less likely. I'm writing this on my new mac which is not intuitive to get to work out of the box but now I almost love it.
 
News: Conclusively answering a thousand year old question.

Not news: Pondering a thousand year old question.
In a way, this is much the same as the trickle of information about upcoming CPU/GPU architectures. "It's not really news until there's a finished product," you could say... but we still enjoy reading about it. Whatever Shawn Knight's motivation for writing this article, I found it interesting and entertaining. I don't think people should take Elon's words in this video as any kind of serious standpoint in the matter. Like I said, the man was just having a laugh with it.
 
...[ ]..... Whatever Shawn Knight's motivation for writing this article, I found it interesting and entertaining...[ ]....
Click, click....., click, click, click...............click, ..................click, click, click, click.............And might I note that this is "Post #42", which as you are likely aware, is the answer to, "life the universe, and everything"..:cool:
 
Aethism is no different than any other religion. They all claim to know the answer. Aethists just say there is no creator. Thats their answer. Neither side can proove themselves. Nobody knows.
You coudnt be more wrong. It is obvious you don't know what an atheist is. An athiest DOES NOT make the claim there is no god. We simply reject your god claim. You are 99.9995% atheist and don't even know it.
 
OMG! I feel so bad about how I played simulation games such as Civilization, and Sim City back in the day.... I was so cruel.. Lots of fun, but cruel...
 
As for religious people, the premise from them is always "prove god doesn't exist." God d-mn prove that he does. As for the simulation, It is true because I'm the one running it. Don't I have my finger in every pie? It runs on the ibm mainframe that I owned attached to a mac whose time machine application makes it omnipotent thru time. It has 5 meg of actual memory but uses your minds as supplementary memory. Sorry it's just so horrible but it might be that I never upgraded it. Believe that? Existence of god is less likely. I'm writing this on my new mac which is not intuitive to get to work out of the box but now I almost love it.

No one has to prove God to those who don't believe. Honestly just take a look at the intricacy of the human body or the vast unimaginable size of our universe, or the indescribable feeling/emotion of love. That right there is enough for me to believe.
 
This remind me of an interesting experiment (the double slit experiment of quantum physics ) which when there is no observer, things exist in wave form. Isn't this every familiar? This is how our graphic cards work. When we are playing 3D games and parts of the 3D world are not visible from your canvas, the display logic just skip processing those hidden objects to save processing power!!!! Aha...
 
No one has to prove God to those who don't believe. Honestly just take a look at the intricacy of the human body or the vast unimaginable size of our universe, or the indescribable feeling/emotion of love. That right there is enough for me to believe.
I believed in god at one time. One striking thing is its power, if it has some, is inhuman and really can be attributed to randomness. I think intelligent design of life is possible, but might be attributed to humans (bible says formed in his own image) playing time traveling eye tricks. I think the universe is quite random, but what do you think of it's formation being caused by extraterrestrials? Perhaps certain parts of it like earth were intelligently designed by time traveling humans, because there aren't many planets like earth. If there is time travel, one idea is that you never had to learn how to design anything, which is like what you're attributing to god/intelligence (somewhat randomness), which may or may not be. I definitely believe in time travel before god, if it isn't a god. One thing I do believe in is the devil. Just how everyone is wrong, for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction hindering progress. Everything you don't want. Like I just got a mac and apple just had major outages in icloud, itunes, and the app store yesterday. The devil does entertain us with news.
 
So, it's finally been brought to everyone's attention, Musk is an utter windbag and a complete a**hole. This completely validates me. I've been right all along.

It really should be a class A misdemeanor to hand Musk a microphone, and a felony to point a camera at him.....:mad:

Did you even watch the video?! He never said he believed in that theory, he never answered a frontal yes; he said "is one possibility in billions" (read: an almost inexistent possibility) after doing a quick mental exercise about how games and computer development would extrapolate in thousands of years; not very solid, but giving the benefit of the doubt.

You're simply too cranky and biased to see anything else in your target, not even I hate Justin Bieber as much as you hate Musk. If people who you don't interact with nor affect your life piss you that much, you must be analyzing yourself instead of others.
 
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