European carriers claim Nokia can't compete with Apple, Android

By Shawn Knight ยท 12 replies
Apr 17, 2012
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  1. Four European telecoms have come forward claiming that Nokia Lumia smartphones simply aren’t good enough to compete with the likes of Samsung’s Galaxy handsets and Apple’s iPhone. Operators also noted...

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  2. The only thing that Microsoft can do now is to make the Data Plan ULTRA CHEAP
    -- that's the ONE reason that people would actually switch.

    Even if you bought one, a crazy-low data-plan fee would be the ONLY explanation that you could give your friends where they didn't think you were completely nuts.

    ...and I build Microsoft products for a living, and would like this to succeed, but since the lumina doesn't have have the hardware specs of the iphone, and it's only $100 cheaper than an iphone (with contract) it's just a hard sell. ...they gotta pull a rabbit out of their hats at this point.
  3. For some reason, I do not believe that you want to see the Windows Phone to succeed. I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or just adding that to validate your statement. Either way, I actully use WP7 on my HTC Trophy and have no problems getting work done, enjoyiing media and access to apps I need. Funny is that I have convince quite a few people to get a Windows Phone just because they see how I use mine. I am an I.T. Sepcialist with a consulting firm here in Washington, DC.
  4. the people you say you are convincing to get a phone may actually think it is a good deal or they are just extremely nice and do not want to hurt your feelings by laughing at you for buying it
  5. killeriii

    killeriii TS Enthusiast Posts: 213   +14

    "An informal poll at a few Manhattan AT&T stores found zero sales people willing to recommend the Lumia 900."

    I think that says it all for Windows phones right now.
    Microsoft has forgotten how to market a product.
    Most likely because Windows OS sells itself in the PC market.
  6. too bad. love my nokia n8 phone. well, they were on top for many years, now its time for apple and android for throne, till someone decapitates them. nothing lasts forever.
  7. I was in a phone store in the UK and was listening in on the "advice" given by one of their staff. The customer wanted a smartphone but couldn't afford iPhone/SGSII, she also wanted something easy to use.

    To my ears it screamed Lumia 710 but WP7 never got a mention. After she left I asked the staff member why he didn't suggest the 710 (or one of the many HTC options), his reply was full of misinformation.

    Having worked in a similar job myself, it is my experience that you almost never recieve training regarding new hardware, it's just put in front of you with a spec sheet.

    These were a few of his comments regarding WP7 platform (and my replies).
    "It's slower", no, it has lighter hardware because it has lower requirements.
    "There isn't the app support", no, most of the major apps people want/need are available
    "The battery life is poor", no, it is typical of smartphones and, in most cases, better

    I'm the proud owner of the Lumia 800, my last phone was the HTC Trophy so I've used both 1st & 2nd gen WP devices and have been very impressed by both. I used to own an iPhone (3GS) and thought it was a good product but I hate iTunes on PC and I don't like Apple's human rights record via Foxconn.

    Microsoft & Nokia/HTC/other OEMs really need to work harder to market this IN THE STORES. Nokia's advertising campaigns are excellent but if it doesn't carry through to the stores then the phones aren't ending up in people's hands. Unfortunately people do listen to the advice they're given by these people despite many (most?) of them being ill-informed jobsworths who are just after their next easy sale.
  8. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,146   +911

    Nokia's current effort in London, I was there when this was all going off:\

    I'm sorry, but it was awesome! However, as a few have pointed out, they really need to spend this money in the actual stores to get it advertised, I can guarantee the moment they can get the phone into peoples hand and into general public knowledge they will sell like hot cakes, but until then, they are going to only ever be a phone that people such as myself or the person reading this comment will know about.
  9. Jibberish18

    Jibberish18 TS Evangelist Posts: 646   +89

    I currently have a Samsung Focus S. Would I recommend Windows Phone to someone new to smartphones? YES. Would I recommend it to someone who is frustrated with the complexity of Android? Yes. Would I recommend it to someone who is for whatever reason coming off of an iPhone? Absolutely NOT. Windows Phone is a great OS but it is still missing a lot of things that in 2012 it should have by default and Microsoft is not updating it quick enough. The Marketplace is nowhere near what iOS has BUT some of the apps are of rather high quality compared to Android (Just my experience). And now we're hearing that people like me with even 2nd Generation Qualcomm chipsets may not get Windows 8? Come on.

    I will say that sales people have no clue what the hell they're talking about. Recommending Android to a woman who wants a smartphone that knows nothing about smart phones? Really? It's all about their commission. Android is what's popular so hey!, lets get it out the door as much as we can yeah?!
  10. bexwhitt

    bexwhitt TS Guru Posts: 354   +71

    from all counts windows phone7 is a good experience, a good compromise on the geekiness of android and the smothering of IOS. As a self confessed geek I will stick with android as I like to tinker
    For those coming to smartphones WP7 is a valid option
  11. Isn't that great, a piece meal news article about carriers... that isn't true!

    Nokia & Microsoft will roll out their worldwide marketing efforts for Windows Phones when WP8 phones are out 4~5 months. The WP7.5 phopnes are a stop-gap measure... that does NOT have to compete against iOS, or Android... <--- because those 2 defunct OS's, are a selling feature FOR the Nokia Phones.

    Windows phones just need removable media to be perfect.
  12. You'd have to have an IQ lower than the average potato to get a nokia over one of Samsung's handsets.
  13. Butch

    Butch TS Enthusiast Posts: 112

    The biggest concern I have right now is that MS simply will not confirm that the current version for Win7 phones will be able to be upgraded to v8 that is due out later this year. This is a big concern for many people and MS needs to answer this one way or the other. I really don't want them to end up like Android devices that may or may not be able to get the latest OS version. This is why I left the Android platform and went to an iPhone (and I have been a life-long Apple hater). I know the hold-up on Android OS updates is usually because of the carrier, not Google, but it's its still a pain and needs to be controlled. Android has enough market share now that Google could demand that the carriers allow OS updates to all devices and make it mandatory within a reasonable time-frame. I know, I know that there are ALOT of manufactures of Android devices and it's not a closed hardware eco-system like Apple but they (Google) need to address this. As it stands now, most Android phones are like Bic lighters, throw away. Sorry about the long rant...

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