I believe AMD doesn't care too much about 5600x pricing because they still have the 3600 around to fill in the budget gap and I also think that the price is actually fair since it is a great cpu, not to mention that they do have a serious chip shortage that impacts on pricing.no, it is not.
Not even the MSRP (which is much higher in the rest of the world if you included taxes).
It is a 6C/12T CPU in 2021.
$250 would be the right price, but AMD now think they are too good to have good prices (as it was with Zen 2).
no, it is not.
Not even the MSRP (which is much higher in the rest of the world if you included taxes).
It is a 6C/12T CPU in 2021.
$250 would be the right price, but AMD now think they are too good to have good prices (as it was with Zen 2).
I dont think its fine, we'v ehad 6 core CPUs for under $200 for several years now, AMD's own 8 cores were going for under $300 just a generation. Generally hardware gets CHEAPER over time. $300 for a 6 core in 2021 is a rip off, Especially when AMD's own 3600 was under $200, and the 5600x is nowhere near 50% faster.
Zen3 overpriced? Not at all. Check how much you must pay for 4 year old i7-7700K. Before you even think about saying there are newer ones available, I remind that i7-7700K is best CPU for LGA1151 v1. Also remember power consumption too, not just speed.I agree, I bought my Ryzen 2600 almost 2 years ago for around 130 €, and it came with Division 2 and World War Z.
Now for the same price I can buy an I5-10400f and nothing noteworthy on AMD's side. Zen2s are still pricey, even after almost 2 years of its release, not to mention the overpriced Zen3s.
AMD started to increase their prices on GPU front too around that time, so as I see it AMD is no better than the other companies, they are just as greedy.
Oh My God!!!
This is like early 2010s, but with Intel and AMD switching sides.
AMD had garbage top-end, while attracting budget concious clients (mostly fanboys), while being a node or two behind Intel.
Genuinely, I never anticipated This! I believed AMD recent reign is Intel's temporary slip, that They will soon make up with 10nm product, fixing power consumption and spectre/meltdown vulnerabilities, and so on, but It's like 4 years now. Why is Intel still on top in revenue? Who's buying into Their cr*p? How much money do They have to burn before investors notice?
AMD is far away from being "severely supply constrained". Just looking at Intel on past few years, Intel was very severely supply constrained. Couldn't deliver basic parts because they had no capacity at all. AMD could deliver everything they want except GPU's that cannot deliver Nvidia either.One would do well to look at this a little less like who happens to have the better IPC and efficiency, and more in the sense of who can be a reliable partner for the major OEMs and enterprise customers. Scale, long term commitments, mature platforms, and track record matter just as much.
You shouldn't assume Intel's customers are stupid. Nor that investors don't know what's happening. Intel investors are pricing the company at 13 times price/earnings at the moment, which seems a lot more reasonable than AMD's stock 39 times. Expected growth is priced in - but by no means a certainty given AMD's checkered history when it comes to execution. AMD is and will remain severely supply constrained for the foreseeable future and until that changes they are nowhere near even a shot at beating Intel in revenue.
Intel is no longer the king since a while, to be honest.
But competition is what we want, as customers. Look at what AMD did when they though they were "the best" : Zen 3 at ridiculous prices and every mid-low end tiers cut off (no 5700X, no 5600...).
I think the $300 msrp is fine.
if you are referring to the retail pricing that the sellers are posting that isn't AMD. That is newegg, amazon etc marking up pricing for their own profit margins.
I bought my Ryzen 2700X for EUR 150 boxed for €150 including VAT, shipping and Borderlands 3 in the beginning of last year. Am still very happy about this. And to this day, I can‘t get a similar good deal - there is no last gen eight core available anywhere near this price, neither from Intel nor AMD.I agree, I bought my Ryzen 2600 almost 2 years ago for around 130 €, and it came with Division 2 and World War Z.
Now for the same price I can buy an I5-10400f and nothing noteworthy on AMD's side. Zen2s are still pricey, even after almost 2 years of its release, not to mention the overpriced Zen3s.
AMD is far away from being "severely supply constrained". Just looking at Intel on past few years, Intel was very severely supply constrained. Couldn't deliver basic parts because they had no capacity at all. AMD could deliver everything they want except GPU's that cannot deliver Nvidia either.
Also when we check last few years, Intel had NOT been reliable partner to OEM's and their server offerings basically are much much worse than AMD's.
It's just some people are stupid and buy Intel despite AMD is better everywhere. And then those same *****s complain about Intel's high prices
AMD will absolutely steal the data center market from under intel. Intel doesn't have a product that can compete with Epyc's line up. So that 39x you estimate is definitely valid. AMD has room to grow, intel does not.One would do well to look at this a little less like who happens to have the better IPC and efficiency, and more in the sense of who can be a reliable partner for the major OEMs and enterprise customers. Scale, long term commitments, mature platforms, and track record matter just as much.
You shouldn't assume Intel's customers are stupid. Nor that investors don't know what's happening. Intel investors are pricing the company at 13 times price/earnings at the moment, which seems a lot more reasonable than AMD's stock 39 times. Expected growth is priced in - but by no means a certainty given AMD's checkered history when it comes to execution. AMD is and will remain severely supply constrained for the foreseeable future and until that changes they are nowhere near even a shot at beating Intel in revenue.
TSMC's total capacity is overbooked. AMD has basically what they want. AMD capacity now is double they had last year. 30K wafers/month is pretty huge amount.Hmm, if you say so. Meanwhile, in the real world, demand for TSMC 7nm capacity is currently outstripping supply by about 30%.
Even with Apple moving some product lines to 5nm and thereby freeing up capacity, AMD is not able to scale up production anywhere near as much as they would like. That has hurt its ability to secure large OEM contracts, and continues to do so.
AMD will absolutely steal the data center market from under intel. Intel doesn't have a product that can compete with Epyc's line up. So that 39x you estimate is definitely valid. AMD has room to grow, intel does not.
Right back atchya pall. What point are you trying to make here, other then "here are my whataboutisms?"Zen3 overpriced? Not at all. Check how much you must pay for 4 year old i7-7700K. Before you even think about saying there are newer ones available, I remind that i7-7700K is best CPU for LGA1151 v1. Also remember power consumption too, not just speed.
For i5-10400F you'll need new motherboard, Zen2 CPU's fit many 2017 motherboards. Not valid comparison.
AMD raised GPU prices because RDNA2 ones were much bigger and faster than RDNA GPU's.
Your points are simply absurd.
Ryzen 5000 is much faster than chip is "replaced". Why much faster chip should have same price? 7700K was taken as example of 4 year old CPU because 2 year old Zen2's are "pricey". Compared to 7700K, Zen2 chips are very cheap.Right back atchya pall. What point are you trying to make here, other then "here are my whataboutisms?"
Nobody was talking about the 7700k. Nobody cares about the 7700k. Were discussing the price increase for ryzen 5000 vs the chips it was made to replace.
From when speed increase on % should be same as price increase in %? Considering speed increase, 50% more price is justified. Even more because most of speed increase is single core speed. (this was 3600X vs 5600X).Were not talking about upgrading older boards. Were talking about the ryzen 5600x being 50%+ more expensive for not even half as much more performance. You want to bring motherboards into the discussion, you can get a 11400f, b560 motherboard, AND RAM for the price of just a msrp 5600x.
Nvidia rtx 3000 is much bigger and faster then rtx 2000, yet price per $ has dramatically improved and pricing tiers are sensible. Not sure what you're trying to say here either.
That means new cpus for Am4 are on the way???I think AMD might have been just sitting on the non-x 5600 as I am positive they've got at least some chips that might not quite clock at 5600x numbers but slightly lower = no problem. So to me it is possible they just realized intel's 10400 just wouldn't compete at all so they had a chance at selling the higher priced 5600x variant, something that's been notoriously easy to avoid on previous gens as most people know you get a better deal with a 1600, 2600 and 3600 all capable of hitting the "X" variant clocks with minor overclocking even on the AMD cooler.
Then again they might truly have not enough chips and they might not respond to the 11400 at all, but I think in less than a month they'll rollout a non-x 5600.
I'm not sure that's entirely true. AMD have built their architecture around scalability. While Intel did not. So.....there's room for a debate there.
I can show it to you in a few months when stocks normalise and AMD releases the lower end products. Until then you can enjoy the insane scalability of Zen 3 in the high end mainstream CPUs and server CPUs.Show me Zen3 scaling from $80 and upwards, thanks.
So, AMD has no zen3 for the masses, yet.I can show it to you in a few months when stocks normalise and AMD releases the lower end products. Until then you can enjoy the insane scalability of Zen 3 in the high end mainstream CPUs and server CPUs.
Is that a problem?So, AMD has no zen3 for the masses, yet.
what point? that there are no sub 200 CPUs Zen3 yet so that means that the architecture's scalability is bad? this makes zero sense. The delay in releasing such CPUs has nothing to do with scalability.My point was to prove my point from earlier. I did that, you keep deflecting.