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French authorities want to block Tor and ban free Wi-Fi in wake of Paris terror attacks

By midian182 ยท 53 replies
Dec 7, 2015
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  1. In response to the Paris terror attacks that took place last month, French law enforcement is reportedly considering blocking the use of the Tor anonymity network inside France and, during states of emergency, banning free and shared Wi-Fi connections.

    After the attacks left more than 130 people dead and more than 300 injured, French police and gendarmes want these two pieces of legislation added to a proposed law, according to an internal document from the Ministry of Interior seen by French newspaper Le Monde.

    Police say that forbidding free and shared Wi-Fi during states of emergency is justifiable as it’s difficult to track people who are using public hotspots.

    The second proposal is a bit more extreme – an outright ban on Tor as a “way to combat terrorism.” For those who don’t know, Tor, or the onion router, is a free piece of software for enabling anonymous communication. It directs internet traffic through a network of more than six thousand relays to make tracking users’ original IP addresses and monitoring what sites they visit very difficult for law enforcement officials. Journalists and whistleblowers use it as a way to stay anonymous online, but Tor is also popular with cybercriminals, terrorists and pedophiles for the same reasons.

    A law “blocking or forbidding communications of the Tor network” in France could be presented to parliament as early as January 2016, although it’s not clear exactly how the country would ban the software. Blocking Tor nodes is technologically quite complex and may require an internet-wide firewall similar to the one used in China – the only other country in the world known to successfully block Tor (to a certain degree).

    Alternatively, France could simply make it illegal to download and access Tor, which could result in ISPs having to spy on users and report anyone who accesses Tor to the police.

    As expected, the proposals haven’t gone down well with civil rights groups and privacy advocates. ISPs spying on users’ internet browsing habits is currently meeting a lot of resistance in the UK, where the new Snooper’s Charter requires internet service providers to store the last 12 months of user activity. Furthermore, the concept of a liberal country that values freedom of speech such as France bringing in its own Chinese-style great firewall is a frightening one, and could lead to other nations following in its footsteps.

    There’s always the chance that the French government won’t implement these measures, deciding instead that they are a knee-jerk reaction that won’t prevent future attacks like the one on Paris.

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  2. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,863   +1,183

    States of emergency can be for any sort of reason- are you going to deny wifi to someone who might need it to contact family? Or to make plans to leave the country? Who the hell thought this one up? So *****ic.
    SirChocula, Reehahs, veLa and 4 others like this.
  3. AnonymousSurfer

    AnonymousSurfer TS Guru Posts: 452   +40

    "When it comes to privacy and accountability, people always demand the former for themselves and the latter for everyone else."

    -David Brin
  4. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 7,986   +2,876

    Politicians and authorities dreamed it up of course. Who else do you know that gets so well paid for being professional j@ckasses?
    SirChocula, veLa, TadMSTR and 2 others like this.
  5. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,169   +3,261

    I'm happy to know the US is not the only ones that can't think straight.
    SirChocula, veLa, stewi0001 and 2 others like this.
  6. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    6000 hops? Dayum. I had no idea.
  7. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    No one said you couldn't use the Internet connection you are paying for or going to a friends or relatives house ...
  8. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,863   +1,183

    *assumes everyone pays for internet* *assumes person is currently close to friend or relatives house* theres a reason free public wifi exists.
  9. davislane1

    davislane1 Inquisitor Posts: 4,494   +3,490

    Some say ISIS is in cahoots with significant world powers. When the government response to ISIS attacks is to further restrict the freedom of its own people (thus increasing its power over them), I find such notions difficult to dismiss.

    Simply put: if you're a European or American, ISIS is your enemy and your government isn't your friend.
  10. stewi0001

    stewi0001 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,513   +900

    If these were to pass, I would if we would end up seeing another French Revolution.
  11. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 1,682   +1,078

    Its undeniable that Obama created ISIS to try and topple Assad. Remember the Arab Spring during which nearly every stable and relatively moderate Islamic state was toppled? The US was behind a lot of it..this is all public knowledge that was widely reported before the Obama regime put a gag order on the media. Chaos creates opportunity for the multinational oligarchs who actually run the world. They sell this idea to western socialist leaders as a necessary step towards global unification and the dismantling of what little democratic process still remains. Unfortunately, their monster grew faster than they anticipated and is now running wild. This puts a major crimp in their plans for installing puppet governments in all the Middle Eastern oil nations. Now the ruling classes of America and the EU are being forced to treat the jihadist threat seriously for the first time in a decade. In the US, the DHS has spent more time and money spying on white Christian conservatives than they have Muslim fundamentalists. Returning veteran? You're on a terrorist watch list. Voted libertarian? Watch list. While the liberals were abusing their power to focus on their political enemies, home-grown Islamic radicalism spread like a cancer. Now its gotten bad enough that the state-run media can't hide the truth any longer. But as a prominent member of Obama's cabinet once said, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." Every time there's a terrorist event in the US, Obama is in front of cameras talking more restrictions on freedom - and by freedom I mean the right to defend yourself from terrorist killers. The bodies aren't even even cold and there he is telling us the problem is guns owned by people who've never committed a crime. Forget that every single mass shooting in the US over the past 15 years has occurred in a "gun-free zone." It doesn't matter what happens..these megalomaniacs will always manage to turn it to their advantage and rob of us more liberty. They'll never give up on spreading their own form of totalitarian socialist "jihad." Meanwhile the world burns and the madmen inch closer to obtaining true WMDs.
    SirChocula likes this.
  12. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,314   +537

    "Its undeniable that Obama created ISIS to try and topple Assad. "

    REALLY!??!!? I deny it.... How about you prove that allegation....
    MonsterZero likes this.
  13. davislane1

    davislane1 Inquisitor Posts: 4,494   +3,490

    The connection between the ISIS and US foreign interests is well known. If you aren't up to speed on Assad, ISIS, our Middle Eastern "allies", and oil, I suggest a trip to Google.com.
    SirChocula and dms96960 like this.
  14. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,314   +537

    I'm well aware of the connections.... but I do NOT believe that it is UNDENIABLE that Obama CREATED ISIS.... That's a pretty bold statement to put out here without providing any evidence....
    MonsterZero likes this.
  15. RobertM

    RobertM TS Rookie

    I knew this was going to happen, you see it everywhere around the world. They use these terror attacks to help their political agenda. Give people an illusion that there is a problem with it and they will follow blindly. The same thing is happening to encryption. They are slowly taking away our rights (The French peoples), I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it would not surprise me if a collection of the countries that hold significant power within the world (U.S., France, England, etc.) hadn't created ISIS to fuel their political agenda. Lets look at this, the government wants access into encryption. There is no way people would just allow that. So create a false problem that makes people believe that they were right all along. You see it with Tor and free Wifi now, next it could be anything.

    Not to mention in a state of emergency people could need to use free wireless to communicate. If there were foreigners that need access to safe shelter they might not be able to get it because of the lack of internet. You saw this after the Paris shooting, people used Twitter as a means to communicate to get free shelter and rides.
  16. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    Assumes everyone steals Internet.
    Assumes no one has a phone.
    Assumes family would drop dead if they didn't hear from you during a SoE.
  17. h4expo

    h4expo TS Enthusiast Posts: 46   +7

    Advocating censorship and eliminating privacy, sounds like the terrorists achieve their goals either way.
  18. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,863   +1,183

    Dont know what youre saying about stealing internet.
    Alot of people dont have phones still. What if the state of emergency was something that disabled your cell tower? or you live in (common in france) a rural area with little to no service?
    Believe it or not, family do like knowing where their family is. Especially if the state of emergency is serious weather or something inherently life threatening.
    Point stands.
  19. 3volv3d

    3volv3d TS Addict Posts: 155   +59

    All governments would love the ability to spy on its people. Look at all the information you freely give them already with Facebook and the likes. Now they use it against you. And now they want to take away the last walls of defense, encryption, free wi fi, tor.

    We have already looked thanks to the above comments that it is clearly the American governments fault. And as America is a country full off *****s, carrying weapons in case Barbara has pmt, or Leroy decides he won't do the dishes but instead would rather unleash a hail of bullets in school the next morning...

    But its ok, Trump said if people in Paris had guns... the terrorists would be the dead ones... O M F G ... this clown. Probably would be more innocent casualties dead due to crossfire, due to someone shooting back and actually hitting an explosive vest, which may not have gone off, because I am sure I read some of them have failed, but a bullet into a chest packed with semtex or w.e?

    You know what the problem is. As we have managed to go from France to America... The Irish. Thats right! Back to Europe and to blame Ireland. See Irish people had enough and went to America. And they are the crazy swines who slaughtered there way to being the dominant new owners of the Indians land. And the Irish, well, come one people Irish logic, so Americans are Irish with Irish logic. Thus their ideas are stupid, feeble, hair brained.

    Though they probably went to America to get away from England, so its probably Englands fault...

    So, someone is claiming now, that American made ISIS to achieve internet supremacy ? That seems, a tad far fetched. I mean I get making up Al Qaeda cause, they needed someone to blame for parking a plane into two towers. And to go back to the middle east and kill Osama. Which was strange because they found Sadam instead, have him hung, and are like Sadam is dead the towers are avenged, and America seemed fine with that , which made no sense, cause , guys, Osama ? You got the wrong guy...

    We all know that the US have put people into power in other countries to do thy will, smart I guess, then said person has power, and uses power without Colonel Sanders authorization, and boom headshot, the guy is assassinated. The rest of the world knows all this, and yet we seem to be fine with it.

    England is of course ok with this, cause good ol' Tony Blair apparently has a construction company that goes to places like this and makes a mint.

    But the question is why go to the trouble of ISIS, just to take out encryption? Killing more innocent people? Making muslims a target, not that it really matters, as no one in England at least sticks up for their country. I mean if we did , jail right ? Whats the point, may as well let it burn, and be politically correct.

    Is this America taking out the last wall of defense from those using VPN's and encryption to download from the Pirate bay ? So this is all them Swedish pirates fault?

    Damn you Sweden!
  20. 3volv3d

    3volv3d TS Addict Posts: 155   +59

    I wanted to make another small point on why this is all horse crap. This is to stop terrorism ? Firstly they had facebook pages, they had all sorts of social media, they didn't really hide very well in the first place. You can not defeat speed, of the internet.

    The only way to stop terrorist would honestly be to make sure that they only have access to 56k dial up. That way the message can be intercepted and the forces that need be can be lying in wait to pounce...

    Surely they have several accounts on several bits of media and change from 1 to the other, like someone changing radio bands, only they know what the combination is and the message is instant to them, they attack and jobs started, and Colonel Sanders, is still trying to work it out. Probably has no idea until the media are reporting. So what help does taking encryption away from people do ?

    In the UK, we have women radicalizing other women. It was uncovered by some reporters, filmed etc. I assume these people are still at it, happily untouched. When they should be removed, for wanting to start a war, or as is the case now, help it continue. They should lose all rights to live in the UK immediately, or be hung / murdered for all to see. No tolerance. They wouldn't tolerate it from us.

    Hell in Dubai they jailed some guy for having crumbs on his clothes. Imagine what they think of all the Italians, eating their spaghetti, sucking up that last bit, and uh oh, the sauce, everywhere. I am surprised we haven't seen hit squads hitting every restaurant.

    But here the authorities do nothing, they can't because they may offend people, and will be marked as racists or bigots. Not as people defending their country. They have to go through the politically correct red tape which leads to any known suspects absconding and starting elsewhere.

    Instead of coming up with crap ideas like taking away everyones freedoms... why not just take those people who move to new countries, and refuse to fit in to the country and instead choose to live a life of crime, and simply remove them for the first wrong thing they do. And I get that every country has its own *****s and criminals, but that is exactly my point, the world is getting worse, and we need to be able to sort our own problems out without these people just moving in and creating more. Then deciding it isn't very nice here, that the weather is always bad, that the parking is just awful, then starting a terror cell in their basement.
  21. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    Your point is to focus on the negatives, and jump to conclusions. That's what I was afraid of. Next time I'll ignore your fear mongering and your ability to create something out of nothing. If US inmates can get cell phones in the cell block, I'm pretty sure the French can find a way to contact their loved ones, and if they can't, well life isn't always fair, but to blame a government for trying to keep its people safe is *****ic. Do you live there? How many times were you or anyone you know a victim of a terrorist attack? What were the procedures that were taken? Were you able to get to the internet?! Hmmm?

    "French authorities want to block Tor and ban free Wi-Fi in wake of Paris terror attacks"
    "French authorities will block Tor and ban free Wi-Fi in wake of Paris terror attacks"

    What a difference a couple of words can make... as you were.
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2015
  22. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    Did you even read the article?
  23. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,863   +1,183

    lets strip people of their ability to communicate at all in the midst of a state of emergency in an attempt to stop 3 bad guys from communicating!
    I have lived between rural and urban america, and I imagine you have clearly stayed in mostly urban. there are many rural places where you simply do not have reliable cell service or internet. Heck even in urban areas you dont always have it. Stopping people from communicating AFTER terrorists have committed a terrorist attack doesnt keep anyone safe more than it prevents them from finding safety themselves or ensuring the safety of their loved ones.

    If you are so naive as to assume that EVERYONE has phone or internet access all the time I don't know what to tell you, as thats not even close to the case even in america. Even one percent of the (american, as an example) population amounts to over 3 million people, and roughly 20% of the population lives in rural areas. I wouldnt not at all find it hard to believe that 1/20 people living in rural areas dont have constant access to the internet or a phone in their homes or around it, At that point youre cutting them off from the outside world and knowledge of any huge threat in an attempt to stop a few people from communicating after their crime. And no, public hotspots wont connect all those people, but it will quite a few.

    ITT: We remove at least thousands of peoples ability to communicate in the wake of an emergency to stop 10 people from communicating, even though those 10 people probably have pre planned their next move.
    cliffordcooley likes this.
  24. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,169   +3,261

    And that is not to mention, if they need to coordinate they will do so regardless of the efforts put in place to stop them.
    ikesmasher likes this.
  25. misor

    misor TS Evangelist Posts: 1,230   +229

    in the philippines, a politician vows to offer free public wifi across the nation if he wins in the 2016 presidential election.

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