Google knows every single Android user's WiFi password

Justin Kahn · Sep 16, 2013

New privacy issues have come to light surrounding Google's Android mobile OS. Experts on the matter are claiming that back up tools in the operating system make it so that a copy of every person's WiFi password (or the password...

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coppersloane · Sep 16, 2013

How long will we put up with Google's constant disregard for our privacy?

Answer: As long as they keep developing cool gadgets for us to use. When we're finally living in the world of Orwell's 1984, Big Brother won't be to blame -- we will be, for being complacent and stupid; for allowing this abuse and exploitation to go on for as long as it has.

gamoniac · Sep 16, 2013

I am not sure how this is news, but I am glad you brought it up. I saw this in my newly bought Android 4.0 (ICS) last year and turned it off immediately. I was beyond puzzled that Google weighs convenience over security to such extent.

fimbles · Sep 16, 2013

I am pretty sure google wont be outside my house piggybacking my wireless!

I don't know what evidence could be obtained by knowing someone's wireless WEP/ WEP2/ AES ect key?

psycros · Sep 16, 2013

fimbles said:
I am pretty sure google wont be outside my house piggybacking my wireless!

I don't know what evidence could be obtained by knowing someone's wireless WEP/ WEP2/ AES ect key?

You might want to sit down and breathe deeply: http://epic.org/privacy/streetview/

MilwaukeeMike · Sep 16, 2013

coppersloane said:
How long will we put up with Google's constant disregard for our privacy?

Answer: As long as they keep developing cool gadgets for us to use. When we're finally living in the world of Orwell's 1984, Big Brother won't be to blame -- we will be, for being complacent and stupid; for allowing this abuse and exploitation to go on for as long as it has.

Except that Google isn't the government. So at least the 1984 universe will be limited to Android users only.

Although this isn't shocking in the least, it is surprising that Google would leave these passwords in a readable form as well as opening itself up for an almost guaranteed public back lash if the government ever does strong arm them for that data.

I don't get it. What could the govt possibly want with wi-fi passwords? If they want access to a wi-fi network, wouldn't 'strong-arming' the owners of the network be a lot easier than getting it out of Google's team of lawyers?

Guest · Sep 16, 2013

It is not news that Google backups up Wifi passwords. It may come as news that these passwords are stored by Google in such a way that they can be retrieved with just a Gmail email and password. That means Google can read the passwords. And again, its not that Google has anything to gain by reading them, but agencies of the government might. When you combine this with huge number of Android devices, hundreds and hundred of millions, you end up with a scary big database of Wifi passwords.

fimbles · Sep 16, 2013

psycros said:
You might want to sit down and breathe deeply: http://epic.org/privacy/streetview/

Judging by the list of court cases and info in the link you posted, they seem to be collecting more than just wifi passwords.

captaincranky · Sep 16, 2013

coppersloane said:
How long will we put up with Google's constant disregard for our privacy?

Answer: As long as they keep developing cool gadgets for us to use. When we're finally living in the world of Orwell's 1984, Big Brother won't be to blame -- we will be, for being complacent and stupid; for allowing this abuse and exploitation to go on for as long as it has.

Or possibly until people develop the genetic ability to shut their mouths, and leave the phone turned off and in their pockets.

LNCPapa · Sep 16, 2013

If you think Google is the only one doing this then prepare to be thunk wrong

. I exchanged my Surface RT which had been on my network for a couple of weeks for a Surface Pro and when I logged in at home it knew my wifi password already. It was a bit scary until I figured "who with the power to get to this information cares enough to get on my network?"

captaincranky · Sep 16, 2013

LNCPapa said:
If you think Google is the only one doing this then prepare to be thunk wrong . I exchanged my Surface RT which had been on my network for a couple of weeks for a Surface Pro and when I logged in at home it knew my wifi password already. It was a bit scary until I figured "who with the power to get to this information cares enough to get on my network?"

Did you ever click the "remember me" button, or did it just know?

LNCPapa · Sep 16, 2013

Different physical machine and OS (RT vs Win8) - no transfer of settings between devices - logged into the same account.

Mister_K · Sep 16, 2013

I better change my password to something insulting towards Google, so when they see it, they know whats up!

Lionvibez · Sep 16, 2013

LNCPapa said:
Different physical machine and OS (RT vs Win8) - no transfer of settings between devices - logged into the same account.

do both windows Rt and windows 8 force you to login with an email account?

I'm sticking to 7 so I don't know.

It is possible MS has this information stored and that is why it remembered your wifi?

that is the only thing that makes sense to me

captaincranky · Sep 16, 2013

Well, God hears all your prayers, and by extension, tentatively knows all your passwords.

The only reasonable conclusion I can draw is, "Google is God....!!!

St1ckM4n · Sep 16, 2013

LNCPapa said:
Different physical machine and OS (RT vs Win8) - no transfer of settings between devices - logged into the same account.

Did you make a local user account, or did you use a MS account to log in? Win8 sync's settings.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-8/sync-settings-pcs

LNCPapa · Sep 17, 2013

I did log into an MS account... but if they store that info then they can get that pw with very little effort.

CJ100570 · Sep 17, 2013

I find it puzzling that this has made into such a big deal when it is in fact not a big deal. Anyone that buys an Android device is offered the "option" of having this info backed up on Google servers. If a user "chooses" to utilize this feature or "chooses" to not uncheck the setting as they setup their phone, how is it somehow the fault of Google? The user "chose" to have the info backed up!

Guest · Sep 17, 2013

Mac address whitelist on router, you can steal my passwords all day long

highlander84 · Sep 17, 2013

Ahhhh so you think if they have only your wifi password they can't look at the mac address and then simply clone it? It's really easy.. Especially when you know an authorized Mac...

Divvet · Sep 17, 2013

This isnt new! Google has been syncing my wifi passwords across all my devices for as long as I can remember, so of course they have the passwords! But what are they gonna do? Log onto my wifi in London? Don't be stupid.

Guest · Sep 17, 2013

highlander84 said:
Ahhhh so you think if they have only your wifi password they can't look at the mac address and then simply clone it? It's really easy.. Especially when you know an authorized Mac...

ok, if you put it that way, then Mr. Evil Hacker will need to either: hack your google account, force you to login to his network, steal either your device or router
accessing lan data requires another password that is not stored on google server
is all this hassle worth having someones "free" wifi? I dont think so

in case of Big Brother its all non essential, BB knows everything you do and ever did and can at any moment come to your home and take w/e it wants

gamoniac · Sep 17, 2013

Guest said:
highlander84 said:
Ahhhh so you think if they have only your wifi password they can't look at the mac address and then simply clone it? It's really easy.. Especially when you know an authorized Mac...

Click to expand...

ok, if you put it that way, then Mr. Evil Hacker will need to either: hack your google account, force you to login to his network, steal either your device or router
accessing lan data requires another password that is not stored on google server
is all this hassle worth having someones "free" wifi? I dont think so

in case of Big Brother its all non essential, BB knows everything you do and ever did and can at any moment come to your home and take w/e it wants

Google database can be compromised. Once Wi-Fi access is compromised, the hackers can sniff your network packets for data in your Wi-Fi transmission.

RenGood08 · Sep 17, 2013

I guess its a good things wifi is turned off on my cellphone. I don't really use wifi. At home, I dont have it, and forget to connect to it at my parents' place.

Guest · Sep 17, 2013

gamoniac:
Google database can be compromised. Once Wi-Fi access is compromised, the hackers can sniff your network packets for data in your Wi-Fi transmission.

they can sniff packets w/o google database, wifi is not a secure connection
the question is: whats easier to hack, google database, or decrypt password you transmit with packets over wifi, or just steal device

Google knows every single Android user's WiFi password

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