Why? What exactly are you getting from that comparison? Other than an obvious strawman argument.
Greek man sentenced to prison for running a private torrent site 10 years ago
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Did you decide that "no harm" was done purely based on physical harm?
No harm can be proven to have happened. There is still 0 evidence that piracy affects sales in any way. In fact many studies have shown that piracy actually INCREASES sales - but those get quashed.
This wasn't piracy, this was distribution of huge amount of pirated content, not just games It's as bad as it can get for this kind of illegal activities.
And let's stop with the stupid excuses that theft is good. It may help some games according to 1 EU study, but that was a limited study from almost a decade ago.
The actual results from that study:
" (about the increase in game sales)...points out a number of caveats for this headline number, not least of which is a 45-percent error margin that makes the results less than statistically significant (I.e. indistinguishable from noise)."
"While the study initially suggested that piracy did not significantly affect sales in general, it highlighted a notable exception in the case of recent top box office hits. Here, piracy led to a substantial displacement rate of 40%.
This means that for every ten pirated views of a blockbuster film, there were four fewer legal views, translating into a significant loss in sales."
If you want the real facts here's some:
"Nearly 90 percent of these studies (22 out of the 25) found a statistically significant, harmful impact of piracy on sales. While the TPI recognized that the question is complicated and economic theory inconclusive, again, the research all points to the same downward pressure on sales."
Does Piracy Impact Sales? A Look at the Data - Corsearch
Does piracy impact sales? People have been asking some version of this question since Napster launched in 1999 and iTunes was still two years away from going live. It seems as if piracy has always been a step ahead of digital distribution. Megaupload, one of the earliest and largest piracy...
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Except they aren’t “facts”… if you read the studies, they all admit there is ZERO evidence to suggest ANYTHING and only basic trends can be seen. It doesn’t account for whether a movie is good, the audience is simply tired of it, etc..This wasn't piracy, this was distribution of huge amount of pirated content, not just games It's as bad as it can get for this kind of illegal activities.
And let's stop with the stupid excuses that theft is good. It may help some games according to 1 EU study, but that was a limited study from almost a decade ago.
The actual results from that study:
" (about the increase in game sales)...points out a number of caveats for this headline number, not least of which is a 45-percent error margin that makes the results less than statistically significant (I.e. indistinguishable from noise)."
"While the study initially suggested that piracy did not significantly affect sales in general, it highlighted a notable exception in the case of recent top box office hits. Here, piracy led to a substantial displacement rate of 40%.
This means that for every ten pirated views of a blockbuster film, there were four fewer legal views, translating into a significant loss in sales."
If you want the real facts here's some:
"Nearly 90 percent of these studies (22 out of the 25) found a statistically significant, harmful impact of piracy on sales. While the TPI recognized that the question is complicated and economic theory inconclusive, again, the research all points to the same downward pressure on sales."
Does Piracy Impact Sales? A Look at the Data - Corsearch
Does piracy impact sales? People have been asking some version of this question since Napster launched in 1999 and iTunes was still two years away from going live. It seems as if piracy has always been a step ahead of digital distribution. Megaupload, one of the earliest and largest piracy...
We can look at the latest Marvel movie, Thunderbolts… most marvel movies have made hundreds of millions - regardless of whether reviews were negative, mixed or positive…
Most of them were pirated within 2-3 weeks in Blu-ray quality…
Thunderbolts has been “remarkable” in that its reviews were almost all positive, it has NOT had a Blu-ray version pirated (despite being in theatres for almost 2 months, and… it has flopped at the gate…
Most piracy studies link box office hits to piracy and show that movies which are pirated with a Blu-ray quality version within the first week or two make less than one that isn’t pirated… but the only way to ACCURATELY compare that would be if the SAME MOVIE was released at the same time and was both pirated and not pirated - which is obviously impossible.
If this was the evidence for something “real” - like maybe flying to the moon - you’d never get a ship off the ground. But, because it’s piracy, we can decide that “billions are being lost” and jail the perpetrators.
Now - no one is saying that piracy is morally right. Nor are we arguing that it should be legal. It just shouldn’t be used as an excuse for lost profits nor should the perpetrators be punished worse than rapists…
ZedRM
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No. No harm was done because no one has proven that any really financial damage was caused from the actions taken by the defendant. It's all completely theoretical. They are imposing real physical prison time for a theoretical damage. Not exactly real "justice" from an ethical standards perspective. Ever heard of the concept "The punishment should fit the crime."?
You are supporting the imprisonment of a person for 5 YEARS because they did something that "might" have done some harm minor harm, more than a decade ago. That is a goose-stepping type point of view.
ZedRM
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Prison is for people who need to be kept away for the common populace so that they do no further harm. Non-violent crimes, where little or no harm was done, need to be dealt with another way. Claiming that such is a "strawman argument" is as much mental rubbish as it is illogical.
Seriously, you are making no sense dude. What you said is 100% a strawman argument.
FYI that's not just what prison is for, it's just your weird opinion/definition, not reality.
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ZedRM
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Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
That is absolutely what jails and prisons are for. You saying otherwise doesn't make you right.
OK, prove to me with examples that prisons are just for killers, murderers and other violent criminals. Show me a law from a country that says that.
ZedRM
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I would waste my time doing that, why exactly? All you would do is argue about them anyway. Not worth my time.
tl;dr you can't do it. thanks for playing.
FYI from the way you are talking I'm sure you misread what I wrote. I wasn't asking for specific prisons, I was asking for countries that have such laws, of which there are none.
Actually man It's because that would prove your argument. You haven't done that yet.
Theft is a crime, and so is distribution of stolen goods and property. End of argument.
And I CAN prove that!
ZedRM
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Ok. Tell yourselves whatever you want.Actually man It's because that would prove your argument. You haven't done that yet.
Theft is a crime, and so is distribution of stolen goods and property. End of argument.
And I CAN prove that!
I believe they'll tell themselves that they are correct... as the person "refuting" them had no evidence and was just spouting personal opinion...
Ok brother, I'm fine telling myself the facts.
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