Hundreds of Warner Bros. DVDs from the 2000s are rotting away

[Skjorn]

I am sensational. Let's get with the spirit of the thing. Take an artists view and don't zero in on a moment of time.

So, don't take anything you say serious because you're probably lying or talking out your backside just to get reaction.

 

[jeffbert]

I am just a lowly ex-electronic technician; I thought that pre-recorded optical media was made using a stamping process, not a burning process.

 

[ZedRM]

Breaking encryption even for personal use was already proven illegal in courts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/321_Studios_v._Metro_Goldwyn_Mayer_Studios,_Inc.
It's legal to view a DVD for personal use. It's not legal to access DVD data even for personal use with the existing license, and only authorized players are allowed to do that. Circumventing that is breaking the DMCA license agreement. But of course, individuals aren't being brought to court for backing up their own DVDs and it's kind of like one of those outdated laws at this point.

You've cited a Wiki article link which doesn't work. It goes nowhere. The proper link is here. That 2004 ruling was later and swiftly rendered invalid by other (multiple) rulings and pieces of case-law as reverse engineering is a known lawful practice and applies in the context of all personal, professional and commercial applications. The DMCA and anything associated generally yields to it. Read more here, here and here.

You are arguing against known and standing fair-use legal statute, case law and principle does not make you correct. While this subject and the legal details surrounding both are extremely complex and hotly debated, in the end, the law generally and specifically sides with the rights of the individual citizen.

Put simply, our rights as individual citizens completely over-rides conflicting terms stated in user agreements and conflicting law(and yes, there are a ton of laws that conflict each other, big shocker, right?) which has the effect of making them null, void and unenforceable.

So if you wish to continue abiding an ideal which is both invalid and ignorant to fact of reality, that's your thing. The rest of us will carry on exercising our known rights as we see fit.

 

[ZedRM]

I thought that pre-recorded optical media was made using a stamping process, not a burning process.

You would be correct.

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

You've cited a Wiki article link which doesn't work. It goes nowhere. The proper link is here. That 2004 ruling was later and swiftly rendered invalid by other (multiple) rulings and pieces of case-law as reverse engineering is a known lawful practice and applies in the context of all personal, professional and commercial applications. The DMCA and anything associated generally yields to it. Read more here, here and here.

You arguing against known and standing fair-use legal statute, case law and principle does not make you correct. While this subject and the legal details surrounding both are extremely complex and hotly debated, in the end, the law generally and specifically sides with the rights of the individual citizen.

Put simply, our rights as individual citizens completely over-rides conflicting terms stated in user agreements and conflicting law(and yes, there are a ton of laws that conflict each other, big shocker, right?) which has the effect of making them null, void and unenforceable.

So if you wish to continue abiding an ideal which is both invalid and ignorant to fact of reality, that's your thing. The rest of us will carry on exercising our known rights as we see fit.

You must've not read my original post lol. I'm not "abiding an ideal" like you said, that's just the law as I understand it.

See this is illegal, even if you own the DVD. I did it too anyways though. Obviously DVDs go bad and we paid for them in the first place! If I ever get sued for piracy, I have my own defense lol. It's not like I'm distributing or sending these to others; I just want them to be secure and easily watchable from my TV.

And I posted the same exact link as you lol, TechSpot parsed it and decided the period at the end wasn't part of the link. Not sure why you're freaking out over a glitch

Also, you're still wrong. What you're talking about is a very narrow scope applying to software. It refers to decompilation, which NOT decryption. Decompilation is takes low level code and returns it to high level code. Compiling code is not a protection measure like CCA is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Association

From your own articles:

For example, if any third-party developer by doing reverse engineering develops a copy of a game that connects to the game server and performs authentication handshakes then that type of reverse engineering is beyond fair use or interoperability. This type of reverse engineering can be considered illegal. Therefore, anti-circumvention provisions limit reverse engineering.

In the US which is what I've been talking about (and apparently all of North America and Japan), it is illegal to rip DVDs even for personal use. Breaking encryption on a DVD is against the law, full stop:

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/legal-to-burn-copies-of-dvds-that-you-own/

Ripping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even DVD ripping software openly admits it's illegal here: https://www.winxdvd.com/resource/dvd-copyright-infringement-laws.htm

 

[jeffbert]

You would be correct.

How then, can LASER ROT occur?

 

[ZedRM]

You must've not read my original post lol. I'm not "abiding an ideal" like you said, that's just the law as I understand it.

And I posted the same exact link as you lol, TechSpot parsed it and decided the period at the end wasn't part of the link. Not sure why you're freaking out over a glitch

Also, you're still wrong. What you're talking about is a very narrow scope applying to software. It refers to decompilation, which NOT decryption. Decompilation is takes low level code and returns it to high level code. Compiling code is not a protection measure like CCA is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Association

From your own articles:


In the US which is what I've been talking about (and apparently all of North America and Japan), it is illegal to rip DVDs even for personal use. Breaking encryption on a DVD is against the law, full stop:

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/legal-to-burn-copies-of-dvds-that-you-own/

Ripping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even DVD ripping software openly admits it's illegal here: https://www.winxdvd.com/resource/dvd-copyright-infringement-laws.htm

Not going to argue with you any further. Think what you want.

How then, can LASER ROT occur?

It's unlikely, but possible. Contamination during manufacturing, impurities in the materials or possible harmful exposure during consumer use.

 

[jeffbert]

Hmm., Learn something every day.

 

[Athlonite69]

I have a feeling that my entire DVD collection (all five seasons) of Babylon 5 are shot to hell.

Just aswell its all available from other places as is Farscape

 

[imdarkbreeze]

Just aswell its all available from other places as is Farscape

It's NOT "just as well". Personally, I want to be able to use solar power to run my DVD player and TV after the zombie apocalypse and when I do I'd like to find my discs are still working even if that means copying them all so they are fresh now.

Zombie apocalypse aside, there are LOTS of reasons why those "other places" might not be available at some point including not being able to afford a streaming service once they start charging just as much as cable which might not be that long the way things are going, or the service not being available anymore just like many things we thought would be around a long while have been stopped for no reason by that company, and so on. If you trust or have faith in ANYTHING that is kept elsewhere including most online services, to be there when you need it, that is foolish.

 

[jeffbert]

I was thinking about buying TOS DVD set, but, given the strange packaging, & limited storage space in my apartment, I went with PARAMOUNT & PRIME instead.

I realize the possible disadvantage to this, but I might want to watch LOWER DECKS also. I have a fairly large (by my standards) DVD collection, & have little interest is watching more than a few again.

 

[Athlonite69]

It's NOT "just as well". Personally, I want to be able to use solar power to run my DVD player and TV after the zombie apocalypse and when I do I'd like to find my discs are still working even if that means copying them all so they are fresh now.

Zombie apocalypse aside, there are LOTS of reasons why those "other places" might not be available at some point including not being able to afford a streaming service once they start charging just as much as cable which might not be that long the way things are going, or the service not being available anymore just like many things we thought would be around a long while have been stopped for no reason by that company, and so on. If you trust or have faith in ANYTHING that is kept elsewhere including most online services, to be there when you need it, that is foolish.

Those other places I said in my post were not streaming services I'll give you little hint if it's still difficult for you to get the picture it starts with Tor and ends in Rent and only require you to be a little like Capt Jack Sparrow but only on the internet not the high seas