Didn't wanna add to that other long drawn out headache of a thread......it's history and good ridence!! I just wiped that hard drive clean and had my good buddy grab an XP PRO Full Installation from his company tech and I'm all set up now. I just had to download the net driver from another PC and transfer...... 30 quick minutes I have all your recommended downloads from that other thread taken care of. When I downloaded Adobe Reader and then went ahead with Adobe Flash Player as well, but it automatically downloaded McAfee Security Scan Plus along with it. Does McAfee SSP conflict with any downloads on your list? the downloads were: Upgraded to Internet 8, Avira, Comodo and Comodo GeekBuddy, Spywareblaster, Zoned Out, TFC, Java, Adobe Reader and WOT. Or Windows Firewall? Does Spywareblaster do the job for not loading Malwarebytes? Man this feels great to have my PC back! Thanks for your assistance. I really learned alot through all that. Interesting that I found from the tech 101 site that many clean out their computers every year and some heavy users every month. I can do that with ease now.