cliffordcooley
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Thats just it, they are not giving us a reason to think good or bad of them. I will never trust an organization that closes the door on a discussion that will adversely effect everyones lives. If the organization wants me to stand behind them, they will include my opinion in the discussion.You think that if the government doesn't spill some terrible damning secret, they must be lying; but if they were to admit to a damning secret, you'd accept it immediately. Regardless of what the government is actually doing, you think they are always doing something to betray everybody they are trying to protect.
From a personal stand point; any organization that will not include my opinions in a discussion that effects my life, does not deserve my support.
But you see we don't even know which opinions to offer, because we never know what is being discussed.
The Gettysburg Address
"new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
What a load of hog wash!! We are no longer being governed by the people. And freedom was also freedom from governmental control which is why we were also given the right to bear arms. We are no longer free and lose more and more of our freedom each day.