Intel Core i9 would target the high-end desktop market
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captaincranky
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Odd syntax there. Sure, the statement is conditional, but it's based on the future perfect tense of the verb. Which makes it sound a bit like you're resigned to it, or at the very least considering it.....
Hahah i9... why not skip the 9 altogether and go directly to i10 to indicate something really more powerful ?
captaincranky
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Peter Farkas
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Chill out everyone! Let's see those price tags and the gaming performance reviews first... ;-)
gamerk2
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I can tell you what the gaming numbers will look like: Look at a similarly clocked i7 for reference.
Gaming performance hasn't been a problem for some time; it's "other" workloads where Intel is struggling a bit, as those workloads scale to cores, giving AMDs approach an advantage. Games are not like these workloads, and don't scale as well. That's why performance has peaked at i5/i7 levels for quite some time now, and adding more cores won't move performance at all.
Hence the irony: The same people jumping on the AMD bandwagon based on productivity benchmarks will complain about the i9 series "poor" gaming performance, and ignore the i9 series crushing in the same benchmarks that are being used to proclaim Ryzen the next big thing. And don't argue; you know I'm right. That's exactly how this is going to play out.
erickmendes
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Seems like Intel doesn't care anymore...
While they Xeons keep rolling out to server boxes, they won't be too much affected by Ryzen.
While they Xeons keep rolling out to server boxes, they won't be too much affected by Ryzen.
Shadowboxer
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Where I live, availability and pricing of Ryzen chips doesn't make them good value for money at all. I recently helped a friend of mine build his first gaming PC, we went with an i5 7500 that came on a motherboard bundle with RAM included for £304. We wanted Ryzen but would have cost significantly more to go for a 1600 + B350 mobo + ram, which would have been around £400 or more for faster ram. It might get better when my local vendor starts stocking Ryzen bundles but they seem to barely have any Ryzen in at all, there's like one glass cabinet in the shop front with an R7 on display, a wraith spire cooler and a couple of Ryzen mobos but that's it. This is next to like 8 cabinets of Intel stuff and fully featured RGB festooned gaming PCs behind the counter to catch customers!
This... Why the hell would they make a 4/4 i7? what the hell is intel thinking.
Yep, unless it's at a decent price I'm not going to buy it. Ryzen is looking nicer and nicer these days. I don't care what my Intel fanboy of a friend says, I'm going AMD this time.
i9-7820X at the right Ryzen 7 X1800 Price Range could end up being a very strong processor... Its got the Intel name that most buy and like all Intel products will test/review very well.
Intel has way more to offer than this no doubt, however I think we all are starting to see Ryzen has lots of room to build from as well for AMD - In then end hopefully AMD does well and Intel in time will feel a bit of pressure (its not there yet, Intel is not even breaking a sweat over Ryzen, yet) as that means better products and better pricing for us all.
I've personally been enjoying working with my Ryzen 7 1800 vs i7-6950x vs i7-7700k swapping out Tital XP vs Radeon Pro Duo (8Mb) - AMD's Ryzen seems work well with Pro Duo (with extra cores and processing power), have to wonder if we don't see a Vega Radeon Duo coming very soon.
Intel has way more to offer than this no doubt, however I think we all are starting to see Ryzen has lots of room to build from as well for AMD - In then end hopefully AMD does well and Intel in time will feel a bit of pressure (its not there yet, Intel is not even breaking a sweat over Ryzen, yet) as that means better products and better pricing for us all.
I've personally been enjoying working with my Ryzen 7 1800 vs i7-6950x vs i7-7700k swapping out Tital XP vs Radeon Pro Duo (8Mb) - AMD's Ryzen seems work well with Pro Duo (with extra cores and processing power), have to wonder if we don't see a Vega Radeon Duo coming very soon.
Not really - its a i7-7700k/i7-7740k with quad memory vs dual, 28 lanes vs 16... PLUS it has 4 more cores with cache to match extra cores...
BrianMontanye
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The competition is great for us consumers. Although this just looks like the same history repeating itself. AMD makes a move, gets competitive, Intel then destroys them and then flounders while AMD catches up. Oh they caught up again? Rinse, repeat, seen it before.
You're dreaming if you think i9-7820X will cost around $500. It will cost at least $1000, I expect around $1500.
I think the processor I would choose if it was cheap enough would be the i9-7900X. I think the Turbo 3.0 would be worth it for basic tasks and give me the boost I need for all my old apps. but when I want to render video it would be sweet to have all 10 cores and 20 threads to render the video blazing fast. for $1000 I think this would be more on par with the older Internet pentium 4 Extremes from 15 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if the price is even higher. I don't see a value in the 12/14 i9 as the price would be out of this world. On another note I was thinking the new KabyLake I7 7740K which only has 4 cores might be a little overprices as well. Right now the average price for an Intel I7 7700K Quad Core is right around $350 and compared to the new one looks to be of no significant value except for added support for DDR4 memory which the 7700K is also fine to use with some motherboards. And when the new processor comes out 7740K I don't see the 7700K going on sale to make it enough of a value/performance upgrade to splurge for the 7740K.
IMHO I think the massive cores/Threads coming out for Intel are a boon to those who haven't upgraded in 5+ years. in comparison, AMD is on the right track, competing with both cores/threads and using their own version of Turbo boost for single threaded applications and at a price-point where upgrading even a 2 year old computer makes more sense. I see the battle lines are already drawn, the prices seem to be more clear cut but for the average consumer I don't see a need to spend the extra cash on even a $350 processor from Intel when a sub $100 CPU from AMD will do fine for most tasks.
IMHO I think the massive cores/Threads coming out for Intel are a boon to those who haven't upgraded in 5+ years. in comparison, AMD is on the right track, competing with both cores/threads and using their own version of Turbo boost for single threaded applications and at a price-point where upgrading even a 2 year old computer makes more sense. I see the battle lines are already drawn, the prices seem to be more clear cut but for the average consumer I don't see a need to spend the extra cash on even a $350 processor from Intel when a sub $100 CPU from AMD will do fine for most tasks.
Jaycomp2016
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The new ryzen is gonna kill this it seems 16,14,12 and 10 core processor and they all have 44 pci e lanes and I'm sure pricing wise it will be very competitive.
ManuelV
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Reehahs
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There we go, that is what I meant but I should have clarified myself better. It would be nice to have an unlocked Octa-core in <500$ range that has 44 PCIe lanes.
Amet Monegro
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Sorry Intel! Is RYZEN's time!
That tdp does'nt help
That tdp does'nt help
waterytowers
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Finally more cores, how long did we have to wait!!!
Can I now have a laptop with minimum 16 or 32 cores. As a developer that runs a lot of VMs and docker images locally, it would be nice to have something targeted at developers for once. New age developers have a portable machine and are forced to use hot desking, a PC doesn't cut it... I work offline a lot so need a beefy laptop with lots of compute. If I have to I will plugin to the wall just want lots of cores...
Can I now have a laptop with minimum 16 or 32 cores. As a developer that runs a lot of VMs and docker images locally, it would be nice to have something targeted at developers for once. New age developers have a portable machine and are forced to use hot desking, a PC doesn't cut it... I work offline a lot so need a beefy laptop with lots of compute. If I have to I will plugin to the wall just want lots of cores...
cliffordcooley
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That makes absolutely no sense. Desktop or laptop, the machine will produce the same amount of heat to get a job done.
captaincranky
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Cliff, the quality of a good portion of posts here has dropped dramatically, since the site began accepting logins from Facebook.
And let's face it, my seniority lets me get by with my particular, (and patented), brand of crazy talk.
Anyway, one of my desktops truly is, hot and sweaty. That's because it's a Prescott P-4....AND......it gets used for nothing but erotic art...... (I'm sweating already, just thinking about it)....
waterytowers
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Hot Desking is a silly practice of forcing people to fight for a new place to sit every day rather than giving people a consistent place to sit. Everyone is given a laptop for work so they can more easily move around. Nothing to do with heat
except where it makes people angry because they come in late and never get a good seat... or the people that get frustrated because they like to make themselves comfortable in one place rather than having to search for a new seat every day. A concept invented by managers I am sure that do not care about retaining staff long term and expect people to leave after 6 to 12 months. I am personally going to be working from home as often as possible.An office desk in this scenario has no PC, it only has a monitor and maybe a keyboard and mouse. Every desk is effectively empty so anyone can sit there, first in best dressed.
captaincranky
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Oh look, they reinvented a children's game for nerds. Let's call this, "Musical Chairs 2.0"...Hot Desking is a silly practice of forcing people to fight for a new place to sit every day rather than giving people a consistent place to sit. Everyone is given a laptop for work so they can more easily move around. Nothing to do with heat
An office desk in this scenario has no PC, it only has a monitor and maybe a keyboard and mouse. Every desk is effectively empty so anyone can sit there, first in best dressed.
andy06shake
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