Intel won't benchmark GPUs with more than 768 shaders and 3GB memory

neeyik

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Wasn't their last attempt to actually offer the top gaming card ?
Do you mean Xeon Phi or the i740 series? The former was never for gaming and the latter, while okay, had little chance against the offerings at that time from 3dfx, ATi, and Nvidia (not helped by its poor memory interface and texturing system).

If someone buys a Dell desktop and goes for a discrete GPU like a 1050 or perhaps 1650, would they care if it came with an Intel card instead, as long as it offered better multi monitor support vs. Intel's iGPU and allowed for the same low end gaming?
Well that's the USP I'm referring to - the likes of Dell might take up Intel's mone...err, new graphics card if it had great multiple monitor support, this could go some way to help matters. But their own iGPUs aren't shabby in this area and OEMs who are already bought into AMD/Nvidia deals aren't going to switch. Unless Intel throws lots of cas..sorry, fantastic hardware and software support at them.

Same for non gaming laptops. Why not replace all those low end nVidia GPU with their own ? Not sexy, but we're talking about millions of units here and the removal of non-Intel stickers.
If it's non-gaming, then surely an iGPU is sufficient? Xe will obviously make its way into their CPUs, but if we're talking purely about discrete add-in cards or modules here, there's currently nothing to sway laptop makers from such a move. Apart from dolla...ahem, shiny new architecture.
 

Hhhggdhs

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Intel are a smart company. They are currently making more money than they have in their history because they can provide well supported enterprise grade solutions. Despite at the same time they have lost the performance per dollar battle to AMD in consumer silicon.

But that doesn’t matter. The future doesn’t look very bright for personal machines at this point. We are looking to cloud services to start providing our compute needs. Movie streaming is a thing, Android one is a thing. Soon even game streaming will be commonplace, office 365 etc. Phones and tablets are starting to replace laptops, I could go on.

I don’t think Intel are going to be making a powerful consumer grade GPU because I don’t think there is much future in that market. Certainly I would give up my expensive cumbersome rig if I could just stream all my games via an iPad or something. In the end, a graphics card will be an expensive luxury compared to a gaming sub service.

And this fits Intel’s strategy, small grade GPUs for laptops, OEM parts. And enormous GPUs for datacenter to provide cloud services. Remember, Intel is a business. They aren’t trying to woo the enthusiasts, they are just making money. They missed out on the mobile buzz but they aren’t going to miss out on the cloud revolution.

Oh and we’ve learnt that if you out rgb on your product you’ll get more press attention. So I expect everyone to do that going forward...

Make more money than they ever before, hmmm you are telling me Intel made so much money not because cloud providers are scrambling to purchase more Intel CPU to offset the loss in performance due to security flaws mitigation or that Intel was forced to drastically lower price across all boards($13k pathetic 28 core Xeon discounted to $4k hahaha), but it's because "Intel provided better support? Hahaha" Wonder how long can Intel post record profit now that AMD is price checking them and Ryzen 4000 APU is assaulting Intel's laptop division (imagine having to drastically reduce the $580 Intel 8 core mobile chips, ooff that hurts so bad if you are a business owner)
 

candle_86

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Why would Intel cater to you? They have billions, you have nothing. Be real. Journalists will flock to their presentation when they deem to do one. Your "demands" just might work against you.

That's just my unbiased pessimistic observation.

Guess you missed how journalists got the Pentium III 1.13 recalled when Intel was even more dominant in mindshare
 

Shadowboxer

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Make more money than they ever before, hmmm you are telling me Intel made so much money not because cloud providers are scrambling to purchase more Intel CPU to offset the loss in performance due to security flaws mitigation or that Intel was forced to drastically lower price across all boards($13k pathetic 28 core Xeon discounted to $4k hahaha), but it's because "Intel provided better support? Hahaha" Wonder how long can Intel post record profit now that AMD is price checking them and Ryzen 4000 APU is assaulting Intel's laptop division (imagine having to drastically reduce the $580 Intel 8 core mobile chips, ooff that hurts so bad if you are a business owner)
I think you don’t get it. AMD don’t compete with Intel in the enterprise space - where Intel makes record profits. It’s a completely different product. If you’re a business looking for a data centre with support for 5 years AMD can’t sell you anything. Now you can get AMD powered data centres from other companies like IBM or HP (I think, not checked yet) but the level of support they offer is not as good as Intel’s which is why Intel is picking up business contracts left right and centre. Performance per chip isn’t the most important thing for a business datacenter. What is important is that if it breaks then they can get it fixed ASAP. (I know all this because I work in the industry).

So just to clarify, Intel are making record profits from selling business solutions. NOT from their silicon. Consumer grade CPUs do not make
Up the majority of Intel’s profits. Intel do make more than AMD here but they are losing market share to AMD every year at the moment.

Also the security vulnerabilities discovered on Intel’s CPUs is good news for Intel. They paid lots of money to find these out so they found out before other people did. Companies who don’t spend this money put themselves at risk of a malicious party discovering the vulnerability. And every CPU out there has vulnerabilities. The people who think these vulnerabilities are bad news for Intel tend to be ignorant fanboys to one manufacturer or another.
 

Irata

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Do you mean Xeon Phi or the i740 series? The former was never for gaming and the latter, while okay, had little chance against the offerings at that time from 3dfx, ATi, and Nvidia (not helped by its poor memory interface and texturing system).
i740 as Xeon Phi is an Aurora super computer class GPU(ish).

I was actually looking at getting a system with an i740 GPU back in the day since independent third party benchmarks showed it to be the best GPU of all. Fortunately I was still saving up money for the new PC when the first actual game reviews / benchmarks showed up.

Ended up getting an Acer econobox at Walmart, no idea what GPU it came with but it was a pretty sweet deal and good enough for what I needed it for. Budget priorities had changed....

But yes, if they offer OEM a good bundle deal, I don‘t see why the OEM should not look favorably on it.
 

neeyik

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But yes, if they offer OEM a good bundle deal, I don‘t see why the OEM should not look favorably on it.
Indeed and I’m certain that Intel will try to seriously undercut AMD/Nvidia. But it’s not just them that they’re really competing against, as the manufacturing of the chips is done by Glo-Fo, TSMC and eventually Samsung. They’re not going to want to give up those production orders without a fight, unless Intel approaches them too.
 
Does something not exist unless it's leaked?
Perhaps, just perhaps, the title of this article should not be "Intel won't benchmark GPUs with more than 768 shaders and 3GB memory" .. but rather the true facts:.. "Intel hasn't leaked benchmark GPUs with more than 768 shaders and 3GB memory". As Intel likely would have no reason to leak info (good or bad) at this point.
 

bandit8623

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Intel are a smart company. They are currently making more money than they have in their history because they can provide well supported enterprise grade solutions. Despite at the same time they have lost the performance per dollar battle to AMD in consumer silicon.

But that doesn’t matter. The future doesn’t look very bright for personal machines at this point. We are looking to cloud services to start providing our compute needs. Movie streaming is a thing, Android one is a thing. Soon even game streaming will be commonplace, office 365 etc. Phones and tablets are starting to replace laptops, I could go on.

I don’t think Intel are going to be making a powerful consumer grade GPU because I don’t think there is much future in that market. Certainly I would give up my expensive cumbersome rig if I could just stream all my games via an iPad or something. In the end, a graphics card will be an expensive luxury compared to a gaming sub service.

And this fits Intel’s strategy, small grade GPUs for laptops, OEM parts. And enormous GPUs for datacenter to provide cloud services. Remember, Intel is a business. They aren’t trying to woo the enthusiasts, they are just making money. They missed out on the mobile buzz but they aren’t going to miss out on the cloud revolution.

Oh and we’ve learnt that if you out rgb on your product you’ll get more press attention. So I expect everyone to do that going forward...
centurylink is using an intel wifi product(gateways) exclusively now for all gpon and dsl based services.