My bad.What node shrink are you talking a/b since the article specifically states:
My bad.What node shrink are you talking a/b since the article specifically states:
15-17% puts them above equivalently priced Ryzen 3xxx performance. And with a single core speed improvement it will take its gaming prowess even higher.
It's not a node shrink. The high-end part has 2 more cores (4 more threads), the mid-range parts have hyper-threaded enabled. And the boost clock goes 300mhz higher.15-17% increase in performance for a node shrink isn't anything to brag about.
15-17% increase in performance for a node shrink isn't anything to brag about.
PCIe 4.0 is a big deal for... sequential file reads? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer having it over but having it, but a 100 MHz clock increase is probably a bigger deal, and that doesn't matter much either.
Yes and yes. Thanks for asking.Do you personally recommend pcie v. 4? Have you bought it?
Did you read the conclusion? It said the only time to consider a premium CPU is if buying a $1000+ card, otherwise all the other graphics cards perform generally the same with the CPUs. As such, I was referring to the majority of people that will be buying midrange /upper midrange cards like the Ampere 3060-3080.
Yes I did assume it would cost the same as the 10900K. I don’t know if it will. I’m just quite surprised to see those sort of gains on 14nm chips.You missed something there: there is no similarly priced Ryzen product. Because there is no price on the 10 core Intel chip, which is the only chip showing the 15-17% improvement. We already know the performance of the other chips as they are the 9900K, 8700K, and 7700K. And we don't know their prices, either.
As for single core improvement, that will be around 2 (maybe 4?) percent based on clock speed improvement. Nice, but probably not worth wasting the money paying for the other 9 cores.
Do they now offer more PCIe lanes from the CPU or are they still stuck at 16 (not counting the lanes used to connect the chipset) ?And they are all still support only PCIe 3.0. That's definitely not worth the premium.
But at some point those high end GPU should saturate the 16x PCIe 3 bus. Current gen not, but what about the next gen or the one after thatI think the 8 cores & 16 threads at 4.5ghz on all (even if with overclocking) are more than enough horsepower @ for Ampere/RDNA2 and probably the next 4 generations of graphics cards @ 1440p+. Once you pass 1440p, its mostly the GPU anyways.
How is a 32-core chip under LN2 any relevant to this discussion?If performance holds up I'm going with Comet Lake over Ryzen.
3970X on LN2 can pull 1100w alone @ 4.9GHz....
I couldn't care less about a 150W power draw from CPU when actually putting it to work versus what a chip pulls when browsing and watching YouTube. Aren't we all using 500W+ PSU's? I imagine it's sub 100W while doing that?
That - all the extra heat is in the case affecting / heating up the other components. Sure, you can watercool the CPU and add extra case fans but there are still the vrm and other components that heat up.How is a 32-core chip under LN2 any relevant to this discussion?
PSU, or even electricity cost, is never the major issue of high power consumption on desktops and laptops. The cooling required (especially in small form factors or laptops), the motherboard required, or simply the bad experience gaming near it in summer are much bigger ones.
How is a 32-core chip under LN2 any relevant to this discussion?
PSU, or even electricity cost, is never the major issue of high power consumption on desktops and laptops. The cooling required (especially in small form factors or laptops), the motherboard required, or simply the bad experience gaming near it in summer are much bigger ones.
That - all the extra heat is in the case affecting / heating up the other components. Sure, you can watercool the CPU and add extra case fans but there are still the vrm and other components that heat up.
You have a PC case containing components that all consume energy and radiate heat. All those components affect each other, so if one of them generates a lot of heat, it will in turn heat up all the other components and that heat needs to be evacuated from the case.What are you talking about?! Explain.
I said I do care about high CPU power draw due to the cooling required/noise, the motherboard (VRM etc) required, and the heat emission to the room, etc, even though I do have capable PSUsIt was just a fun fact. You're welcome btw.
"PSU, or even electricity cost, is never the major issue of high power consumption on desktops and laptops."
What? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. Are you agreeing with me or not?
Yes and yes. Thanks for asking.
You have a PC case containing components that all consume energy and radiate heat. All those components affect each other, so if one of them generates a lot of heat, it will in turn heat up all the other components and that heat needs to be evacuated from the case.
Also, the VRM, PSU etc do not operate at 100% efficiency and fans will also use some power so if the CPU uses 100W+, overall system consumption will go up even more.
Another question is if the GPU can boost as high in a hot case as it can in a cold one?
You can use watercooling and have many case fans which will help but that adds to the overall system cost, so those extra few fps will come at a high cost.
I said I do care about high CPU power draw due to the cooling required/noise, the motherboard (VRM etc) required, and the heat emission to the room, etc, even though I do have capable PSUs
Sorry were you having a private conversation on an open forum? You got an answer, just because you didn't like the answer.Didn't ask you, that was to yRaz.