To clarify the previous post, what were are looking at past, present, and future, is extremeists on both sides of the argument, which do not encompass civilisations on either sides, but rather, are fighting it out for themselves and doing their best to attract suppport.
The only thing suspect really is the queston of how much governments allow the people to know (the people having shown time and time again that they can't be trusted to know everything, and governments acting in glee at this knowledge, using it as an excuse not to tell the people they represent everything they deserve to know). That and the version of history put forward by either side for the polulation to believe (history is always written by the victorious. We just don't have a victor yet so both sides have their own version).
Taking off my personal hat for a moment, and putting on my moderators hat, I am going to lock this thread. Not because there's anything wrong with it that can be easily defined, but purely because there is a strong risk of it getting very quickly out of hand. The link is there for people to follow, it has been for quite a while, and there have been few replies up untill now, so I sincerely doubt there's any loss. The whole discussion is something that can't really have a resolution or agreement by both sides anyway, and has been discussed at length in various guises many times over.