Few live up to their forum name, you've pegged it. And it's not a troll or whatever, you're making the topic interesting. Usually stuff like this falls short, no one cares, 99% people agree it's a silly argument due to all the ways you can get just the software of win 7 and up (when you already have a legal license).
Up front, the issue of Dell computers, specifically laptops, has always been a hot button issue here at Techspot.
It's also always bee an issue of legal ownership. Way back when, we had a member who helped other members get around the BIOS password. He was asked to "cease and desist", from that practice.And that was for a very simple reason. You can't tell whether a laptop has been stolen over the internet, and the site itself could conceivably be shown in the light of, "aiding and abetting", the theft of these machines. It's a given that someone has "been given", or, "found", or, "lost my password", when they ask for help with the rogue machine.
Did it say he was using the software on non-dell computers? If it was Dell and it had a license to the tower/laptop.. How is it unintended? If Mr. Lundgren has possession of a dell system with a win7 license, and owns the system before selling it. As a customer, he should be able to legally download from dell. And leave it with the tower.
Oddly enough, I just downloaded some "free software" from Samsung, to clone an HDD, to a new Samsung SSD. Lo and behold, there was a license agreement which I had to agree to, before they allowed the software to download. Now, in all honesty, I din't read the EULA, but I used it in a way commensurate with the conditions under which it was offered. Hence, my conscience is as clear as a bell.
Now.. if he stuck it on a non dell computer, that's more of an argument against it, only if the link to the software states it must be put on a dell system.. If there were no warnings where you download the software.. nothing matters. Can't give something free to download with no legal statement of use and get cranky when it's used in a different way.
There's only a certain amount of effort I'm willing to expend in pursuit of "the truth" here, and only so many lies I'm willing to tell, to facilitate downloading Dell restore software. But it's very doubtful that some sort of EULA wouldn't be involved.
You know as well as I, that even if you're dealing with freeware, the first page of the install sequence is a, "click me yes", to agree to the terms of the EULA.
Would it have been so bad if he bought the software. Kept a master disc(s) (for each os) installed it to the system. Then built a recovery boot with boot discs to recover the system to it's original prepatched state? It's not hard to do.
Look any repair shop worth its salt, most likely has restore discs in stock for any number of machines. And they are, "one disc fits all", with respect to all individual machines, of the same type, year, and model. So, they're probably breaking some terms of a EULA, in doing so. But, that's the extent to which a maker is likely willing to overlook the strict wording of said EULA.
Now, if the same repair shop, printed hundreds of the same disc, offered them for sale, ostensibly to, "stick it up the manufacturers a**, for promoting planned obsolescence, and trashing up the environment with "ewaste", methinks the fed might be there "post haste", for if nothing else, to contain the hate speech, and serve a federal civil summons for slander.
OK, I'm from the generation that protested the Vietnam war. But that was a countrywide, "movement", not some yin-yang Quixote, tilting at an enormous windmill in the form of M$ & Dell. BTW, there were people who went to jail for protests against the war in Vietnam, and some others who lost their lives in that struggle.
captaincranky What would you do if you had a recycling/re-purposing company. Other then the obvious of shredding/magetizing the hard drives and replacing them with inexpensive replacements. (as it would be worse to use hard drive with potentially recoverable data.) .. it's easy to complain and crap on what another person might have done incorrectly.. how would have you done it so that, in your eyes, would be legal?
A direct answer to your question would be I'd call a lawyer familiar with copyright and physical ownership issues, before I undertook rehabbing old machines.
But, I personally believe the Windows license should be good for the life of the machine. Even with respect to an OEM copy of Windows, a failed HDD certainly doesn't end the life of the machine. A failed motherboard OTOH, does.
Under those auspices, I should be able to gift or sell you an old machine, with little to no consequence. You do have to admit that under those terms, we would be "well under the radar", with legal jeopardy being almost nil.
If I were to argue this issue, that's the only point I would consider actionable. It's sort of based on the old saw, "one man's trash, is another man's treasure".
Now, Mr.Lundgren can piss and moan all he wants about "saving the world from ewaste", but the reality of that is, electronics equipment owners hunger for planned obsolescence. They can't wait to see how much louder, faster, shinier, and more desirable, next years model is than the one they own now.. Quite frankly, the customer is his own worst enemy, and the biggest threat to the environment. If they didn't throw machines away, we wouldn't have the volume of waste we have now. The American consumer is the exact moral opposite of the Boy Scout oath.
All of this corporate greed isn't aimed at "poor little old ladies who can't fix their own computers". It's to sate the lust in mainstream America's heart, for bigger, more status conferring material wealth across all demographics.
So, mister Lundgren isn't saving the world from Dell or any other commercial entity, he's trying to save us from ourselves, and I don't quite recall asking for his help, do you?
And that's why, I believe, and will continue to believe, all these bullsh!t proclamations Mr. Lundgren has made as to his purpose, are worthless, invalid, smokescreens.
I will restate something I mentioned earlier, (in this thread, not sure), that when Phila Community College sold their old computers, Windows was removed. Ostensibly, because the licenses were of a volume educational nature, registered to the school itself. What, if any bearing that has on this issue, I don't know.
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