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Microsoft adds 'PC vs. Mac' section to Windows 7 site

By Jos · 45 replies
Aug 9, 2010
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  1. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,546   +430

    ? I thought iOS 4 was for the iPad too already.
  2. jink

    jink TS Rookie Posts: 23

    The Sad Truth... Microsoft is running scared!

    #1. No iphone competitor.
    #2. No ipad competitor.
    #3. Losing the college crowd in droves.
    #4. You can find macs EVERYWHERE now.
    #5. Vista was a disaster - Win 7 better but only superficially.
    #6. Windows blatantly copying OS X - Windows more OS X-like every new version
    #7. All "Macs" come with a powerful classy suite of software and the FULL version of the OS. No need to pay an extra 200$ or more just to connect to a Domain.)
    #8. Steve Jobs stealing most headlines.
    #9. Apple market capitalization higher than MS first time ever.
    #10. Macs are proven to hold their value better and are kept by their owners longer than PCs.
    #11. Microsoft now turning to the very same "make their stick look shorter so ours looks longer" style of advertising Apple has had to use to try to catch the leader.

    #12. "Macs" run Windows better than most PC's with NO crapware in Boot Camp.

    Microsoft's "Response"...

    A handful of web pages concerning "Macs" that are pure "FUD" if not blatantly lies. Especially considering #12. They are afraid to even mention the word OS X even a single time - see if you can find it.

    Hey Microsoft.... OS X OS X OS X OS X OS X OS X :D
  3. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,487   +1,288

    LOL! macs run Windows better than a normal PC, dude, your screwed up in the head.

    Go and by a Mac for £300 pounds and run windows, wait a sec! it can't! it doesn't even exist! ok well then go and buy at least £1000 worth of mac, WHAT!? it still runs windows slower than a £1000 PC.

    The fact is Macs are a great alternative, bit like a creative Zen vs iPod. but it just doesn't quite have the same, i don't know? usabilty i guess.

    I don't understand why anyone would buy a mac unless they have got sucked into all the hype?

    I mean, photography can be done on a PC, Video editing can be done on a PC and Sound Mixing can be done better on a PC thanks to having compatiblity with actually capable sound cards etc...
  4. Technochicken

    Technochicken TechSpot Paladin Posts: 716

    Some people just like the interface of the OS better- it's just personal preference. I for one do not see how anyone could possibly like chocolate more than vanilla, but some do, and I don't worry about it. While I do prefer Windows to OS X, I do not see any reason that the two sides should hate each other so much. If people want to pay a little more for a user environment they prefer, let them.
  5. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 648

    #1. A smart phone is not a PC
    #2. Tablet PC's existed long before iPads
    #3. Know your market
    #4. Everywhere != 5%
    #5. Vista WAS a disaster
    #6. jedi mind tricks
    #7. You certainly do pay more than $200 for that software.
    #8. WTF?
    #9. Relevant how?
    #10. Fanboys have their advantages
    #11. Welcome to advertising
    #12. Macs are essentially the same hardware, just overpriced.

    Nice trolling.
  6. jink

    jink TS Rookie Posts: 23

    A £300 piece of crap weighed down with 3 tons of poop-advertise-demo-ware (hello? Why do you think it's so cheap?) and a watered down OS (Win Starter/ Win Home). For a few bucks more you can get a MacMini that will run rings around it (core 2 duo 2.4), get you all your money back in power bill saving (8 watts idle / 30 watts load), and come with a complete "Ultimate" version OS (another $200 savings). Windows/PC value is a myth.

    Burty, "can be done" is not the same as "can be done well". ALL the professional level hardware runs on Mac and, especially with pro Sound, is far more stable in OS X. Just try running a professional audio device at low latency in Win7 without glitches. Believe me, you'll have no hair left by the end of it. XP maybe, but Win7? Foget'about'it - the multimedia prioritization kernel is broken - has been since Vista.
  7. vangrat

    vangrat TS Rookie Posts: 223

    If you like having the false sense of style and class go for Mac.

    If you like being able to have full compatibility with anything on the market go Windows.

    If you want absolute freedom with few or no strings attached go Linux.

    That pretty much breaks it all down, each has it's ups and downs, frankly in the end it boils down to personal choice. I do have to say that every office I have worked in we have been built on a windows environment for the simple fact of compatibility and ease of networking. Mac does a very bad job at this and as such they market towards the home and private users, which means that their market share will always be lower than Windows. Linux is very nice for high end users and actual techies, however on most systems, not all, there is a bit of a learning curve, as such they will have a hard time securing a market share as well.

    Windows may not be perfect, however it has reached a point of market saturation that means users will know how to use it fairly easily. Macs are pretty and those that use Macs love the OS, however someone who comes from a Windows environment can at times be a bit confused (which is absolutely hell on IT...shiver), the same goes double for Linux.

    So enough with this Windows is better then Mac is better then Linux is better then poop stuff.
  8. However, it was Ballmer himself who said in a press conference a while back that Office on the Mac didn't work as well as on a PC because they had "crippled it". Check me out on this one.

    I use Office as little as possible. That is the Suite that ignores user's requests to kill the ribbon - that changes formats every upgrade to lock in obsolescence and has spent billions defeating open standards in documents. Word in particular is a beast if the document has any complexity.

    When I am writing a pretty hairy document with lots of pictures, graphs, or other inserts, I do in in Pages. Then, If I need to translate it into Word, I export it for my co workers who don't have Macs, or I save as a PDF if I don't want anyone messing with it.

    I use Open Office Calc for most spread sheet work. It will read Excel formats that Excel won't.
  9. Its pretty obvious that most, if not all, PC responders on this thread have never used a Mac.

    About a year ago one computer testing group declared the Mac to be the fastest PC around. What other computer can run Mac OS, Windows, LInux, and Unix? Not talking about jailbreaking - I mean right out of the box.

    Which is the most stable? Which has the most productive software built in - burn a DVD anyone - save to PDF - take a screen shot? Does Win 7 even do this?

    PCs have register conflicts. Ever try to straighten out the register? I have many times. I have a high end Intrex tower sitting on my desk that pauses every 30 seconds, then picks up again. Not talking about work load, just pauses. Something screwed up in the OS. This simply doesn't happen on a Mac.

    Apple does not use the same guts as others. It is much better designed and implemented. Sure, they use the same processors and same hard drives, but the circuit boards are far higher quality than in PCs. Ever sat through a power failure/dip with a PC. GONE. I have had Macs go through a 3 second power dip and still come back up where they left off. Good luck with your plastic $3 PC doing that.

    So, most of you don't know anything about a Mac. Go try one. Why do we read all the time about die hard PC guys who switch to Mac loving it so much. Yeah, I know, they are "stoopid".

    Never heard of a Mac guy switching to a PC. I have to use them occasionally, but can't wait to get back to a real computer.
  10. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,487   +1,288

    No I have a mac, they're not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Stable I agree with, but windows 7 hasn't exactly crashed or anything on me either and actually loads quicker from off and the computer is £200 less!

    I have a £1000 Mac Book Pro 13inch. Got this about 2 weeks ago.

    My £800 (after upgrades) custom built Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit machine is about 4 years old and still starts up soo much quicker than the Mac! it plays Crysis in full at a decent res and the screen is decent.

    I like the mac for using its inbuilt programs such as the sound editor thing and photo all the little things it does. I mean, a mac comes with enough built in software you almost don't have to go out and buy any more!

    While the windows machine you do.

    Also worth noting, I have Adobe CS4 on both machines, once again the PC is much quicker when comes to using it and editing photos. Also hasn't crashed or anything.

    I'm sorry, but some of the points so far made above me have been completely irrelivent.

    Anyway My bro has the Mac now for the simple fact he prefers the interface and its powerful enough to run WoW :)

    The logical side of me see's the windows machine as the better choice but if your anything like my brother, fair enough :)
  11. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,546   +430

    There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Which I suppose is to be expected on a mostly PC forum, but the Guest 2 posts above has a lot of things wrong.

    I run both daily. My GF just got my old Powerbook after I upgraded to a MBP, there are a lot of things I have to tell her about, so OS X isn't as intuitive as Mac users like to think.

    Seems like I end up in threads like this and wind up arguing against what fanboys say on OS X/Macs when in reality I really like all the Macs I own (now up to 4).
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,827   +3,916

    I usually don't begin replies with "listen stupid', and I'm not going to do that here, but one more post from you will force me to make an exception.
    The reason that most of are here in this forum is because we build, (or perhaps some would say, "assemble"), or own machines. So, your "crapware" argument would be better shouted to some rubes in front of some hick town Best Buy, say perhaps your neighborhood, rather than in this forum. Here it's just insulting, not to us, but to your own intelligence.

    Well, the Mac Mini certainly is an interesting piece of equipment, that's for sure. The reason that it's power consumption is so low, is that it's basically a "glorified" laptop. Laptops have very similar CPU options, and they will perform right along with, (or surpass) a Mac Mini.

    My son has had two of those little turds. The first one's HDD failed in under 3 years, and the second one, (a C2D), sits on the desktop and whines like a failing ten dollar power supply. Oh BTW, did I mention to service a Mac Mini, you almost have to beat it on a sharp rock to get it open. Stevie Boy doesn't want you looking inside.

    Well, when you kick in the "avant garde" styling of a chrome and white plastic Rubbermaid sandwich box, you dun got yourself a real winner that no imbecile should be without. Um, when you get to the Apple Store, tell em cranky sent ya....! :rolleyes:
  13. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,546   +430

    I've told you before Captain that something isn't right on the one that is loud, the C2D ones even with the fan running at 100% are barely audible from more than a couple feet away, they are the most silent fanned machine I've ever been around. He should have taken it in or mailed it off within its 1 year warranty. As far as the HDD failing on the other, HDDs fail all the time regardless of what machine they are in, if it lasted 3 years it is probably not much short of average life span for typical notebook drives.

    As far as opening them, if you have a putty knife its pretty damn easy to open. Get a plastic one and you won't even scratch it (the scratches you'd make with a metal one are unnoticable anyway because they are on the bottom).
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,827   +3,916

    Why is it that you feel that I don't know this? The entire post you're responding to is 1; a week old 2; a troll flaming another troll that really deserved it. 3; opinion born out of the moment and convenience.

    As to warranty service, if you don't admit that a problem exists, then why would you initiate a warranty claim?

    As to the HDD failure, well, the kid purchased Apple care for 3 years, lost the paperwork, ordered the wrong month credit card statement as proof of purchase for it, then didn't bother to accept my offer of repairing it. I offered to repair it, said it would cost about a hundred bucks, and that I was fairly certain I would be able to repair it. I told his wife this also at Christmas, who then promptly said I "should take it with me", to which I replied, "I came here to exchange gifts, not to have you assign me work". I gave him a PC, which his "bridezilla" promptly got infected with malware, "hobnobbing" at "Facebook". I told that if neither she or her husband were competent enough to handle security on a Windows machine Windows then they should buy another Mac, which she of course nagged him into buying for her birthday. When I gave him the PC, I removed a second HDD containing mostly, "art photography", since the "queen" was bellyaching about a picture of Grace Park, set as wallpaper from a Maxim shoot. He in turn shuffled across the floor and tried to assassinate the drive with a static charge. So, I replaced that drive with a larger bare drive the next Christmas. He said, " I'm not putting that in". That's great, you're forty going on ten. So, as you may have guessed, I don't give a flying f***. about the Mac, about the PC, or any other piece of hardware that they may acquire in the future. In the meantime, if any problems arise with the drive, the Mac, or the PC, my concept of remediation would be for them to stick these pieces of offending hardware up each others a**es.

    Does that address your concerns as to the content of my post...?
  15. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,546   +430

    I've not been to the forums in 3 days, but I see you continually bashing Apple at every opportunity and you frequently cite your experience with the Mini. It isn't Apple's fault on the HD, it is theirs on the fan - but the fan problem was completely fixable, for free, by Apple if it had just been addressed. Now maybe your Son didn't address it and doesn't accept your offers for help, but none of that has anything to do with Apple.
  16. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,827   +3,916

    No, actually I bashed Apple in response to the following by this little windbag troll's twentieth post :
    Try and get over it. My Emachine is still running on the original hard drive and it's pushing six. Now, if I got my panties in a bunch every time somebody said something about an Emachine, I'd be in a constant state of emotional upheaval. In fact, I rather enjoy injecting that fact into raybay's rants against Emachines. That said, you have to take quite a beating, to get in that one good shot.

    Aside from that, it's not the drive it's the fan that cools the drive is lame. That sounds surprisingly like it's not the antenna, it's the hand holding the antenna. The original Mini that my son had was one of the older, original, underpowered, do nothing paperweights with pathetic specs overpriced models. That's not really a bashing, that's fact. And yeah, my crappy Emachine with a Prescott P-4 would eat it for breakfast.

    I'll clarify one point, trust me, my feelings by my son's failure to act on my offer of a fix weren't hurt in any way. Just a predictable reaction on the part of a thick headed child. And if that sounds a bit like, "it's not the drive, it's the fan", so be it.

    Now, I had to continually tap dance around my kid's hyper sensitive feelings about the Mini, to even begin a productive discussion about differences between the PC and the Mac without "Apple bashing" being involved in any way. Just an observation of the differences between Windows and the Mac OS when I was actually trying to navigate around the damned thing learning how to work it, seemed to inflame his nerves. One day I walked by the machine, looked at the monitor, (but didn't see the logo), and said, "I'll say one thing for Apple, they have those monitor bases down pat". To which he replied, "I have news for you, Apple didn't make that monitor", with a huff and a flourish. Sure enough the monitor was a Hewlett. So I said, "no really, I have a Westinghouse with a rocky, tiny, cheap plastic base, and that's a really good one". Yeah, I got pretty tired of that.

    One day I had one of the salesman at CompUSA complaining to me about the elitist attitude of the store's customers involved with their Apple program. I just recount the event, I do not embellish it. I think it was something like, "what's wrong with those people, ...[ ]...I try and stay away from them as much as possible", if memory serves.
  17. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,840   +1,267

    Job's Mob really is the mob, capisci?

    "what's wrong with those people, ...[ ]...I try and stay away from them as much as possible"
    What's not to love?
  18. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,827   +3,916

    As always, I stand in awe, astonishment, and admiration, of your seemingly limitless resources, on any topic, in any weather, and against all adversity.

    I'm bowing to the screen now, no really, I am.
  19. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,840   +1,267

    Word of warning; don't bow to low-you may mash the keyboard and end up with Grace Park, or worse (better?) in a "send to all" situation.

    Having said that, corporations shoot themselves in the feet so often that the odds of something PR-unfriendly happening within 24 hours were shorter than Lindsay Lohan's sobriety. If not design defect, corporate avarice or PR own-goal, it was bound to be another of the world's worst parkour exponents from among Foxconn's (thinning) ranks...although, if Job's Mob will resort to kick-backs, then maybe a little defenestration isn't out of the question either...
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,827   +3,916

    This, would be a classic example of, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Or perhaps, "if thine email offends thee, pluck it out".

    So it's true then, "Murder Incorporated", would resort to "circumcision with extreme prejudice", to make an example of someone.
  21. Oh, come on... I tried to edit videos on my computer with Adobe After Effect, Sony Vegas and Cinema 4D and it took me more than 2 minutes to execute what I asked. Windows are good only for games, Mac are more professionals. Plus there isn't a case, the hardware is begind the screen! Also it's too hard to hack a Mac. That's what I believe.

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