Microsoft announces Windows Phone 7.1

By Emil · 41 replies
May 24, 2011
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  1. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +96

    Conceptually it looks like a copy of iOS, and I stand by my observation, and I don't offer any unthoughtful/stupid comments like that without my reasons. As an OS yes Android is a very different animal, but look at the mess a customer can find him/herself into when trying to decide about which one to buy, a good customer experience is never guaranteed. Now about the UI's which telecom companies are slapping on the these devices on top of Android's interface even more compounds the issue. Lastly, 3D vertical scrolling appeared only with gingerbread, which may look cool but that is that.

    Yes it does, my assumption was the same as well, but I am not sure frankly. Also I do have Go Launcher EX, and it is much more stable than the TW UI, but somehow it drains battery a lot faster on my SGS. :eek:
  2. Who the hell wants a half eaten apple when u can have a Mango
  3. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,005   +2,532

    Well, if you don't have an iPhone, then you don't have an iPhone.

    (I don't know what that even means, but for some crazy reason, it's been stuck in my head)......:confused:
  4. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,005   +2,532

    Use the "Edit" button.

  5. fpsgamerJR62

    fpsgamerJR62 TS Rookie Posts: 489

    500 new features is a lot for a point update. Would have expected Microsoft to call it WP8 or even WP9. I hope that they've also worked out the bugs which plagued the initial update process.
  6. mosu

    mosu TS Guru Posts: 474   +84

    For once I agree with Princeton.About WP7, must wait, see and play, eventually waiting for Nokia to provide.
  7. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,730   +379

    Played with the original WP7 phone in a shop. Can't say I like it and after having been burned by being stuck with a 6.1 Windows Mobile without a single update available for it, I wasn't that keen on adopting WP7. Didn't like the interface in the shop, so went with Android as I'd setup my girlfriends HTC Tattoo with 1.6 and liked it.
  8. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    This is the first time I've ever read someone contradict himself, AFTER contracting himself.

    You said:

    So, to you, Android's UI is a copied, cheap-looking interface. Alright. But then you say that as an OS Android is a different animal. Ok. By different, you mean, what? I suppose you mean, seemingly different (because it's a given the OS is different than the others), am I correct? So, to you, what is truly cheap looking and copied? The OS or the UI? And if you meant the former, how can YOU tell it is "copied, and cheap-looking?"

    But wait, lets just say you meant the latter. You blame it on the manufacturers who put on their UI. Oh you said, telecom companies? Well, around here they are called manufacturers, but let's call them how you call them. These "telecom companies" slap their interfaces on top of Android, so doesn't that mean Android ISN'T cheap-looking, or copied, since these "telecom companies," cheaply copied other interfaces? If that's indeed the case, then it's not Android's fault that customers have a "hard time" choosing a device, but the manufacturers'. Ops, I meant telecom companies.

    Android's default interface is compromised of very specific, unique elements such as the notification bar up top, the scrolling 2D (now 3D) App drawer, live wallpapers, etc. Manufactures simply add a flavor of their own, but all the Android native elements remain there. Just because, for example, HTC Sense's launcher is curved, doesn't mean it's a different UI. Sure it's curved, probably a different color and what have you, but the elements, the elements sir, are there, and that's what makes an Android an Android. It is exactly the very reason why, to you they might seem all different, but yet, all Android...?

    You love WP7's fast, fluid, and simplistic approach? Great, but please, do us a favor, and don't subjectively judge, specially if you don't know that telecom companies have absolutely no say over design decisions on an Android device.

    And about that supposed hard time consumers have choosing an Android device... You should ask yourself, why would they even go through the "trouble?" But I digress...
  9. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +96

    Firstly I was only talking about to 'UI', and comment about the look isn't just mine by the way.

    Now, I hate to say this but:

    1. UI's slapped on top of Android are trying hard to be like iOS. Sense looks slightly better (I’ve played around with DHD for a bit) but then again it is a subjective issue. Consider this, what if HP/Dell/Sony/Acer etc. start selling their computers/notebooks with Win7 but a customized UI slapped on top of it? It will surely create a similar sort of mess.

    2. Second issue is responsiveness; it feels so sluggish at times that it can drive someone to edge of reasoning. I must add, this probably happens due to 'freeware' nature of the OS, everyone grabs it, modify/tweak it according to their own needs which may result in less optimized implementaitons. Hence, there is no uniformed experience. One user may be very happy and another one just might not.

    When it comes to user experience, iOS beats Android hands down, why? Because of one simple reason ‘ease of use’, and well that uniformed experience for every user which Android just can’t have.

    I don’t ‘love’ WP7’s interface, infact I don’t love things which can be referred to by using the word ‘it’. I do like it for its simplicity and more innovative approach. But do keep in mind it too have its own shortcomings; which are in dire need of addressing, hopefully with next update.

    Lastly, my comment about choice was directed towards more ‘cheaper’ alternatives carrying Android, which can struggle to keep up with the OS. One of the carriers here are offering an IDEOS cell running Froyo, and that phone have a 500Mhz processor in it with 256MB RAM, and it properly feels sluggish most of the time.

    So to close this all out, Google need to get control of this situation, and focus more on creating a compelling and uniformed ‘user experience’ aspect, because that is what sells for longer period of time in the market, not all those fancy names with which they launch their next updates.
  10. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,676

    You're still yet to show evidence on how Android copies iOS in terms of the user interface. All you've referenced are third party skins and UIs. There are custom UIs on cydia that make your iphone looks like android gingerbread. Following your logic, that is to say, no logic. I could argue the iphone copies android.

    Just face it buddy, your original comment was poorly thought out and was incorrect. Android has NEVER used the side scrolling grid for the apps, had the pulldown menu, uses widget screens before the app screens and a plethora of other differences.

    You just said Touchwiz looks like iOS(p.s. touchwiz 4 doesn't) therefore android copies iOS. Now you're trying to change your argument to say that it's an issue with responsiveness and uniformity but that was never part of your original statement.
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,005   +2,532

    How long is, "which came first the chicken or the android" going to continue?
  12. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,676

    Until Archean admits he was wrong by saying.

  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,005   +2,532

    I'm sorry, I meant to say, "how long is the, which came first the chicken or the android debacle destined to continue".......:haha:
  14. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    Such a pathetic response, sir. Why don't you just admit you had a no argument to begin with. Now what does responsiveness have to do with anything? As a matter of fact, I can tell you, from the top of my head: HTC Inspire/Thunderbolt, Motorola Atrix, Samsung Infuse/ Galaxy S II, and so on. ALL of these phones perform better than the iPhone. Now, I'm now going to dwell too much into a now apparently senseless argument; I thought you would bring up a convincing point, but all that you seem to be saying is that you want to replace your current phone with another. You're subconsciously putting this desire for change into baseless arguments, to make yourself believe X phone is superior or that X phone copied the other. It might be, to you, but facts don't lie.

    Princeton's reply sums up what I would say, anyway.
  15. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +96

    I think you are pitting high end cellphones against the mainstream or low end ones (to which I was referring to), hence your response is rubbish to put it mildly. Now by placing UI elements slightly differently than iOS it doesn't mean they have came up with something genuine IMO. So the resemblance is there, if you don’t want to accept it, it doesn’t change anything. I remembered reading somewhere that Google stole Android logo from some Atari game, so I spent some time finding that just for you guys, it isn’t of much importance (as tech companies regularly copy stuff) but the resemblance down to spellings is there.

    Baseless? I think you need to do a bit of research how much issues people face when it comes to Android, the same is true for iphone and WP or other platforms; as we are mainly focusing on android you are taking it bit more ‘personally’. So the underlying logic in this may not be easy enough to grasp.
  16. 7.1 speakers on a phone?! SWEET
  17. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,676

    Because it isn't there. You claimed that android is an iOS knockoff and that was disproved. Then you just tried to repeat what you're saying over and over to hope it somehow becomes correct.

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