Microsoft introduces more Windows 10 lock screen ads, but removing them is easy

[Raoul Duke]

.............. what is there to "get"? all I'm doing is pointing out just how stupid some complaints are and how some people post hate comments just because they want to feel "important", to get "noticed".
that guy hasn't even seen how an ad on windows 10 looks and yet he's here writing mountains of text on how evil MS is for adding ads to the lock screen. don't you feel infuriated when someone who is clearly ignorant and too lazy to actually check for himself talks like he knows everything?.......................

case in point, as the saying goes, if the shoe fits, wear it
if you don't get it, which you admit, then what is the point in pointing out anything...so, as many others, I bid you all goodbye on this thread

 

[BadThad]

This is just the start of pushing ads using the OS. I'm sticking with Win 8.1 since support will be around for quite awhile now. My hardware will last to about the time support ends. I'm not interested in the "new" snooping and ad pushing MS.

 

[AvalonMD]

...and just like that he pulls out of the rat race. going as swiftly as he came, and leaving absolutely nothing of value. I personally liked how he cherry picks points out of my argument, but fails to comprehend the broader context of what I was saying. Perhaps you can answer my question of how a company is to make money, from an ever shrinking customer base, when your traditional business model is being pushed out of relevance? By mentioning "free" I wasn't saying Microsoft is making it's OS free, they aren't, but they are being forced to offer more and more free services because no one wants to outright buy software and services anymore. So while they can, why not try and shift some of the user base they still have into a position they can still survive with. You do realise Microsoft is a business with a mandate to make MONEY, don't you? So it would be incredibly blind of them to not take market conditions and trajectory into consideration when planning their future, and unfortunately with the masses of zeolots out there clamouring for more "free" stuff (by free I do refer to free but ad supported). People want "free" stuff, but when a company claims they will give it to you free, they cant survive off the good will of the world, its MONEY that makes it happen. So you want your "free" stuff, but when a company gives it to you but says they will include adverts, you go ahead and block them. My point with this rant is that the more you block them, the more they will try and circumvent the blockers and the sneakier they become all in an effort to SURVIVE. So yes, it is you and everyone else out there that's making the push to "free but ad supported" and easy choice for these companies. With the rise of Google, this kind of business model grew popular by the same zeolots now complaining about Microsoft trying to do the same thing and SURVIVE so they can pay their employees. I know you will come back and say, but Microsoft still sells their OS. That's a weak argument, and I encourage you to re-read what I said above as many times as it takes for it to dawn on you that their market position is deteriorating because of the rise of mobile, so while they can they must capitalise on what they have now to stay relevant. Unfortunately quality software costs money to write, but since mobile is all about how much you can fit into it for free where else do you want them to make the money? You probably have an Android devices, and even if you don't, hundreds of millions of others do. Google has their spying, advertising claws all over that OS like its a bad case of cancer and arguably a personal mobile device has far more personal information on it than a PC would, but yet I don't see people boycotting Android. So its more likely less of a case of, "oh my privacy", and more a case of misdirected anger about change, and that change however was forced by people who want "free" stuff.

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and with that I am now done on this topic. As it is most likely you or someone else will in all likelihood have some weak argument to try and dispute what I'm saying, but I will thus encourage you to re-read and digest what I am saying and think about it...

As for "taking time to digest what you've said", you're not anywhere near as deep or as bright as you think you are, just pedantic, at a grade school level. "Don't argue with me, 'cause I'm right". You need to **** off.

Other than your self involved rant being but a rather long winded dissertation of the painfully obvious. It fails to take into account of, "what's behind door number 3".

Door number 3, would eliminate the massive amount of disrespect M$ is showing its long term desk top users.

So, it's obvious you can't charge $100.00 for an OS for a phone or tablet, that's a given. Windows 10 is now the ideal platform to dispense to fad devices and phones. So M$, give that version to the unwashed masses, they deserve it.

But for someone working off of his or her desktop as a hobbyist or in a professional capacity, show them the respect which they've earned, let them continue to buy Windows 10, without all the BS, tracking, and now blatant advertising.

I said at the first whiff of Windows 10, "I'm not getting off my licenses for ANY of my current OS". When it comes time to build a new box, I'll gladly pay for a Windows license for it". I used to be so naive and idealistic,. Now, I'll stick with what I have. Instead of looking at Skylake, I better grab some Haswell parts before they're gone. I could slap the copy of Windows 7 Pro I have, right into one of those boards, without a bunch of slip streaming BS to have the drivers work.

The trouble with you and your ilk, is, simply put, you can't be happy with Windows 10 on own own, you feel the manifest obligation to inflict it on the rest of us.

So I take the time to explain my point of view, offering an alternative to the mainstream rhetoric of pro Windows 10. I furthermore encourage you to understand what it is I am proposing before replying with unchecked facts and emotional outbursts of why Windows 7 is just fine and dandy and you respond with petty insults? Yet you call me a grade schooler?
Did I say even once that you MUST upgrade to Windows 10? Or did I simply try and explain why a company, such as Microsoft, must do what its doing? I may not seem as "deep or as bright" to you, but from where I'm sitting your about as sharp as a rubber band when it comes to comprehension. So quite frankly, old timer, you can f+++ right off with your abrasive attitude.
Like it or not what I am saying is true, and you can argue any which way, if you want to upgrade to Windows 10 (note I said IF YOU WANT TO), then you should understand Microsoft's position in the market and accept that in order for them to still remain relevant in a changing environment they cant rehash the old ways, they cant offer more of the same. If they did, we'd be talking fondly of Microsoft as we talk about any company that's fallen into obscurity. Its got absolutely nothing to do with disrespecting users. What's the point if you keep pleasing a reducing market and the reason for the reduction is you keep doing it the same way.
So yes, you and your ilk as you like to say can stick with the old software, that's your choice, but don't try and sound clever about a point you completely missed. Adverts are here to stay, I don't like it and you don't like it but lets at least try and UNDERSTAND why they are here. It's purely because of people (most likely like you) that are forever in the pursuit of the "free", the so called "good enough" crowd. When everyone stops using paid for software (and yes I know people still buy Windows, but that's changing rapidly) what business model would you say works and is sufficient in powering a company the size of Microsoft?

 

[sergy]

I do not like so much Windows 10 but of course it is better then 8.

 

[captaincranky]

So I take the time to explain my point of view, offering an alternative to the mainstream rhetoric of pro Windows 10. I furthermore encourage you to understand what it is I am proposing before replying with unchecked facts and emotional outbursts of why Windows 7 is just fine and dandy and you respond with petty insults? Yet you call me a grade schooler?
Did I say even once that you MUST upgrade to Windows 10? Or did I simply try and explain why a company, such as Microsoft, must do what its doing? I may not seem as "deep or as bright" to you, but from where I'm sitting your about as sharp as a rubber band when it comes to comprehension. So quite frankly, old timer, you can f+++ right off with your abrasive attitude.
Like it or not what I am saying is true, and you can argue any which way, if you want to upgrade to Windows 10 (note I said IF YOU WANT TO), then you should understand Microsoft's position in the market and accept that in order for them to still remain relevant in a changing environment they cant rehash the old ways, they cant offer more of the same. If they did, we'd be talking fondly of Microsoft as we talk about any company that's fallen into obscurity. Its got absolutely nothing to do with disrespecting users. What's the point if you keep pleasing a reducing market and the reason for the reduction is you keep doing it the same way.
So yes, you and your ilk as you like to say can stick with the old software, that's your choice, but don't try and sound clever about a point you completely missed. Adverts are here to stay, I don't like it and you don't like it but lets at least try and UNDERSTAND why they are here. It's purely because of people (most likely like you) that are forever in the pursuit of the "free", the so called "good enough" crowd. When everyone stops using paid for software (and yes I know people still buy Windows, but that's changing rapidly) what business model would you say works and is sufficient in powering a company the size of Microsoft?

Do you ever come up for air?

 

[captaincranky]

a simple question (or 2). how exactly is a picture on the lock screen or the tracking affecting your work on your PC? and what do the drivers have to do with anything? if it's something from the skylake or haswell generation then it should work perfectly fine.

An even simpler question, "why does if have to be there at all?

As far as the boards go, I've read the instructions on many of the new Skylake boards, and many of them suggest you should install Win 7 from a USB drive. So go do the research. I didn't say, "it won't work", I said it's more aggravation..

Plus, if you do put it in from a DVD, if you can get it to work, then you have to sort through the update process one by one with a list of nag screen "pseudo updates" and Windows 10 files, in order to achieve privacy, and the not insignificant pleasure of having the OS you want in the machine, not the one either M$, or some long winded joker on Techspot, wants you to have.

 

[Puiu]

An even simpler question, "why does if have to be there at all?

As far as the boards go, I've read the instructions on many of the new Skylake boards, and many of them suggest you should install Win 7 from a USB drive. So go do the research. I didn't say, "it won't work", I said it's more aggravation..

Plus, if you do put it in from a DVD, if you can get it to work, then you have to sort through the update process one by one with a list of nag screen "pseudo updates" and Windows 10 files, in order to achieve privacy, and the not insignificant pleasure of having the OS you want in the machine, not the one either M$, or some long winded joker on Techspot, wants you to have.

you know you can turn it off right? seriously now. wtf is wrong with you people and these overblown childish hate comments.
as for the dvd part and the updates... are you confusing new beta builds with regular updates? the build upgrades don't exist outside the insider program. do you even know how many hours it takes to install all of the windows 7 updates if you don't have a custom made dvd that has the latest updates? I pity the guy who has to use an official dvd to install windows 7.
as for the pseudo upgrades and modifying files... you lost me there.

 

[Technician]

The bottom line is that every time MS builds a new OS there are 2 groups, the early adopters that like change and new things, and those that back away for whatever reason and stay with the older version. I like to wait til there is a SP or 2 added so it's more stable myself. I bought a laptop that came with 8 because I bought it at the wrong time, so I swapped to 8.1 asap, and to 10 even faster. 8 was a terrible layout IMO.
10 seems to be a lot more streamlined and it works a lot faster and cleaner. It's true that you need to set some things, but I have never used any OS as it comes out of the box. I like making my own start screens, startup sound files, etc and I reset a ton of the stock settings, so 10 is no different for me. I guess if you are used to never touching your OS settings, it might not work the way you want, but no OS does that.

Some people like new software and new tech, some will always wait. Spreading rumors helps neither side. Neither side will persuade the other side to change. It's just an emotional comfort level with newness that is the issue.

I like change, others like the status quo.

Personal attacks are not a good argument for or against anything, but it is human nature to go there when all else fails.
Like George Carlin said, when you are on the freeway, everyone driving faster than you is a maniac, and everyone driving slower is a f*ckin' id!ot. From their point of view, you are one or the other as well. I guess with WX, if you use it you are an MS shill, and if you don't you are a neanderthal.
Group hug. Let's all join in a chant...Trump...Trump...Trump...j/k

 

[Technician]

you know you can turn it off right? seriously now. wtf is wrong with you people and these overblown childish hate comments.
as for the dvd part and the updates... are you confusing new beta builds with regular updates? the build upgrades don't exist outside the insider program. do you even know how many hours it takes to install all of the windows 7 updates if you don't have a custom made dvd that has the latest updates? I pity the guy who has to use an official dvd to install windows 7.
as for the pseudo upgrades and modifying files... you lost me there.

Then pity me, I did a W7 install over Christmas for my youngest from a cd and OTA updates. Pity me.

 

[Puiu]

Then pity me, I did a W7 install over Christmas for my youngest from a cd and OTA updates. Pity me.

out of pure curiosity... did it at least have SP1 on it? ^_^

 

[Technician]

Yes I installed it on the 27th of December and it's still updating...j/k I don't recall how long it took to patch it in, I didn't stay and watch.

 

[Burningfeetman]

Soon, you'll see a headline called "Microsoft introduces annual subscription fee for all Windows 10 users".

Exactly. Rent to play is coming to roost for all major software vendors. Better have your creditcards ready!

 

[Technician]

Exactly. Rent to play is coming to roost for all major software vendors. Better have your creditcards ready!

Can you show your source for this?

 

[NahNood]

"... and make opting out more difficult – or even impossible."

Oh darling, *nothing* is impossible, at least when it comes to windows hacking.

 

[captaincranky]

and yet, you fail to explain how I was wrong. what is there to "get"? all I'm doing is pointing out just how stupid some complaints are and how some people post hate comments just because they want to feel "important", to get "noticed".
that guy hasn't even seen how an ad on windows 10 looks and yet he's here writing mountains of text on how evil MS is for adding ads to the lock screen. don't you feel infuriated when someone who is clearly ignorant and too lazy to actually check for himself talks like he knows everything?
if you don't like windows 10 then that's fine. but don't go writing lies and false information.

Should I take it that the reverse is true, and you "love" all things M$, because you want a job there?

PS the rest of your BS just states the non topical generic argument, "I'm right and you're wrong".

I don't have to see this garbage. I get the gist from visiting my doctor and having her ask me, "how can I fix my computer, it broke after I installed Windows 10"?(After being prodded by M$ for the "free uipgrade").

It works for you, we get that. That's far and away from your current tactic of pounding on your chest telling us we need to have it. Or that it;s "character building", that we need to reset Windows every time M$ makes up its mind to pump more crap and advertising into our desktops. The more you keep running your yap, the more you sound like a shill for M$.

We're certainly not telling you to go back to Windows 7. So, how come the reverse is so true? Do you think you're "special"?

There ya go, then you'll get generic ads, but google will still give you targeted ads.

WTF do M$ ads in Windows have to do with Google? I do so enjoy listening you use your a** for a bullhorn.
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[Technician]

Should I take it that the reverse is true, and you "love" all things M$, because you want a job there?

PS the rest of your BS just states the non topical generic argument, "I'm right and you're wrong".

I don't have to see this garbage. I get the gist from visiting my doctor and having her ask me, "how can I fix my computer, it broke after I installed Windows 10"?(After being prodded by M$ for the "free uipgrade").

It works for you, we get that. That's far and away from your current tactic of pounding on your chest telling us we need to have it. Or that it;s "character building", that we need to reset Windows every time M$ makes up its mind to pump more crap and advertising into our desktops. The more you keep running your yap, the more you sound like a shill for M$.

We're certainly not telling you to go back to Windows 7. So, how come the reverse is so true? Do you think you're "special"?

WTF do M$ ads in Windows have to do with Google? I do so enjoy listening you use your a** for a bullhorn.
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MS and Google both collect data to provide targeted advertising, you can shut off the ports to MS so you do not receive targeted ads from MS anymore, you will get generic un-targeted ads for things that are not appropriate for you, but google will still provide targeted ads to you. It's such a pain to have to explain every comment in such detail before you understand capcrank, why don't you learn to do some research on your own? please?
And your cute little attempts at insulting forum users says a lot more about you than it does them. I am guessing you don't have a long Christmas card list.

 

[captaincranky]

MS and Google both collect data to provide targeted advertising, you can shut off the ports to MS so you do not receive targeted ads from MS anymore, you will get generic un-targeted ads for things that are not appropriate for you, but google will still provide targeted ads to you. It's such a pain to have to explain every comment in such detail before you understand capcrank, why don't you learn to do some research on your own? please?
And your cute little attempts at insulting forum users says a lot more about you that it does them. I am guessing you don't have a long Christmas card list.

No, actually this post shows more about you.

Google is a company that sells advertising to propel their completely free search engine

M$ is a corporation that, (ostensibly, until now), has sold software, computer hardware, game consoles and the games for them.

So, you can't really compare one with the other, at least not sensibly.

M$' new CEO Nadella, has come into power, bound and determined to steal every viable business model on the planet. Principally targeting Apple, (M$ moving toward a closed system), and now Google's Android platform. So, maybe "idea thief" could describe him. He isn't creative or visionary, (IMHO), he'll just work a whole lot cheaper than Bill Gates, or Steve Ballmer.

Oh, and as for my Christmas card list, the more of you and your ilk I meet, the more I love my cats. (I apologize for pinching a line from Carrie Underwood to paraphrase.

Now toddle along, and go try and talk down to someone else.

 

[Evernessince]

Wow, this sure has turned into troll fest.

For the people saying that ads don't matter in windows 10, they do. Android doesn't have ads and that's free. What the heck gives microsoft a free pass on ads in a paid OS? Google is giving you the shaft with targeted ads, eh? Well good thing google doesn't go on my desktop because that's a whole different ecosystem. Not that the line of thinking "these guys do it so it must be ok for everyone else, right?" was ever correct. Of course, I don't get any ads from google period, targeted or not.

Windows 10 is free? No, it's not. First you require a PC with windows already installed. If you don't have that it's regular priced. Let's not forget that you loose your windows 7/8 license upon "upgrade". Not to mention that windows 10 is tied to the motherboard and has to be re-bought each upgrade. At best everyone saying windows 10 is free should be putting quotation marks around the word "free" because last time I recalled free doesn't require any money or have any prerequisites. If that wasn't the case, Apple would be able to call it's stock dividends free, they only require you to own Apple stock. No expense to you now, right?

 

[captaincranky]

Wow, this sure has turned into troll fest.....[ ]....

To me it sounds more like, "Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are too big to fail, so let's bail them out with ad revenue".

 

[Technician]

Wow, this sure has turned into troll fest.

For the people saying that ads don't matter in windows 10, they do. Android doesn't have ads and that's free. What the heck gives microsoft a free pass on ads in a paid OS? Google is giving you the shaft with targeted ads, eh? Well good thing google doesn't go on my desktop because that's a whole different ecosystem. Not that the line of thinking "these guys do it so it must be ok for everyone else, right?" was ever correct. Of course, I don't get any ads from google period, targeted or not.

Windows 10 is free? No, it's not. First you require a PC with windows already installed. If you don't have that it's regular priced. Let's not forget that you loose your windows 7/8 license upon "upgrade". Not to mention that windows 10 is tied to the motherboard and has to be re-bought each upgrade. At best everyone saying windows 10 is free should be putting quotation marks around the word "free" because last time I recalled free doesn't require any money or have any prerequisites. If that wasn't the case, Apple would be able to call it's stock dividends free, they only require you to own Apple stock. No expense to you now, right?

You don't lose your license it's converted to a WX license, not taken away and you have to pay for a WX license.
Like I said, some like changes and some like status quo. I like changes, I like working with the newest toys. Is it always pain free? Of course not. The iGen Diamond series had it's share of hitches but it's still a good press. (I worked with Xerox on them when they installed 28 of them in Shutterfly). I just like new toys.

 

[Puiu]

Should I take it that the reverse is true, and you "love" all things M$, because you want a job there?

PS the rest of your BS just states the non topical generic argument, "I'm right and you're wrong".

I don't have to see this garbage. I get the gist from visiting my doctor and having her ask me, "how can I fix my computer, it broke after I installed Windows 10"?(After being prodded by M$ for the "free uipgrade").

It works for you, we get that. That's far and away from your current tactic of pounding on your chest telling us we need to have it. Or that it;s "character building", that we need to reset Windows every time M$ makes up its mind to pump more crap and advertising into our desktops. The more you keep running your yap, the more you sound like a shill for M$.

We're certainly not telling you to go back to Windows 7. So, how come the reverse is so true? Do you think you're "special"?

WTF do M$ ads in Windows have to do with Google? I do so enjoy listening you use your a** for a bullhorn.
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"we need to reset windows every time..." - and there you have it. a typical hater comment. thank you for proving that you are wrong again.
it's hard not to say "I'm right" when you write crap like that. what... do you want me to write walls of text about how wrong you are or something stupid like that? I just need to point 1 thing from every comment you make to do that.
you are making it very easy for me to debunk your every argument. it's mostly because haters are too lazy to fact check what they write.

 

[captaincranky]

"we need to reset windows every time..." - and there you have it. a typical hater comment. thank you for proving that you are wrong again....[ ]....

No, that merely proves that anyone who disagrees with you, is conveniently labeled a "hater". At which point, you start spouting the same s***, "I'm right and you're wrong"..

My reference for "turning stuff back on", came from a video by a former M$ employee, showing what does "get turned back on".

Now, Windows 10 is mainly big news, "because it doesn't suck as bad as Windows 8. That's hardly a ringing endorsement.

But yet, those who jumped on Windows 8.0 whole hog, were here blabbering about how great 8 is, and how fast it boots. Never mind the fact those who were running their mouths the loudest, somewhere down the page, began whispering, "well, my SSD may have a little to do with that.".

I've said this before, those that bought Vista, were all here telling everyone who was sticking with XP, what a bunch of fools and Luddites we were. The actuality was, IIRC, support for the "piece of garbage formerly known as Vista", was withdrawn before support lapsed for XP. If not that, it certainly didn't receive the popular support demand for begging its continuance.

Now, I've been here for a decade, and every time M$ releases a new OS, it always, "seems to boot faster, look better, and works like a champ", for all those who have spent their hard earned money for it. None of the hype and braggadocio really jibe with reality of what actually happened.

For everyone who has made the brave jump into the unknown which is M$ future plans for 10, I say good for you, but I really don't care how it turns out
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And for those coming from Windows 8, adopting Windows 10, "because 8 sucked", I say, "see I told you to stick with XP".

 

[Technician]

"we need to reset windows every time..." - and there you have it. a typical hater comment. thank you for proving that you are wrong again.
it's hard not to say "I'm right" when you write crap like that. what... do you want me to write walls of text about how wrong you are or something stupid like that? I just need to point 1 thing from every comment you make to do that.
you are making it very easy for me to debunk your every argument. it's mostly because haters are too lazy to fact check what they write.

Let the cappy get to bed, it's late and he's tired. You'll never convince him anyways. I remember when I was 20 I knew everything and no one could say anything right. As I got older, I realized everyone has a field of expertise ad to learn, listen to the top in their field, and understand that I know nothing. I guess as you get older still, the pendulum swings back the other way and you know everything again. I hope I remember to keep learning from the best.

 

[captaincranky]

Let the cappy get to bed, it's late and he's tired. You'll never convince him anyways. I remember when I was 20 I knew everything and no one could say anything right.

You still think you do. Are you 20?

And I sincerely hope you're not trying to pass yourself off as "the best". That would be the funnest thing I've heard in the last 40 years.

 

[Technician]

You still think you do. Are you 20?

And I sincerely hope you're not trying to pass yourself off as "the best". That would be the funnest thing I've heard in the last 40 years.

Absolutely not the best, at anything, all I know for certain is that I know nothing. Basically because 'knowlege' is always changing. We used to 'know' the world was flat. That doesn't mean I wont listen and learn from the best in a given field, it kind of means the opposite. In what I do, I often do it the same way that the best have shown me as it's the best way to do it, doesn't mean I am the best, I just do it the same way.
Sorry to disappoint you.