Microsoft now allows Windows 11 installations on unsupported hardware, devices

[Achaios]

Wow, that didn't last long.

Still, I have no interest in installing W11 on my Haswell and Skylake rigs. The software I use now is old, the games I play are old too and I am sure that there will be compatibility issues I just don't have the time to deal with.

So thanks but no thanks.

 

[madboyv1]

Wow, that didn't last long.

Still, I have no interest in installing W11 on my Haswell and Skylake rigs. The software I use now is old, the games I play are old too and I am sure that there will be compatibility issues I just don't have the time to deal with.

So thanks but no thanks.

My anecdotal experience is if the software is 32-bit, it'll usually work fine even up to win11, and I've not had issues installing most dependencies* for older software, though sometimes running it in compatibility mode is necessary for some rare and particularly odd behaviors...

Now, if you're running 16-bit software... That's a different monster and without virtualization will not run on Win11.

Still I agree with your sentiment of not installing Win11 on Ivy Bridge/Haswell/Skylake... Win10 already asks a lot of the system and even moreso Win11, and the poor old things are tired with Skylake approaching 10 years old as it stands...



*Certain ancient DRM and unsigned drivers being the common troublemakers.

 

[Volleyball Face]

Did the surveys include the possible loss of Windows 11 OS customers by one of the Founders of Microsoft going on record stating he wants a reduction of people on the planet?

 

[RudyBob]

You only have about 40 posts here. In time, you will learn not to take me so seriously.

In no time he has found you out

 

[Rouxenator]

Been on 11 since it came out. No issues. Using Windows 10 just feels so dated and backwards. If you are on Core2 then 24H2 won't work but it runs beautifully on 1st gen i5 and newer. For older hardware (and 32bit stuff) just run Debian.

 

[captaincranky]

In no time he has found you out

He didn't find anything out, I had to tell him.

Or aren't you "educated enough", to figure that out on your own?

One day, and I hope I'm wrong about this, a home computer may need 2 LAN cards. M$ could easily say, "for full benefit of the AI features in "Windows xx" a separatee link to M$ AI server farm is required".

That's not really altogether debatable, considering the mad rush to implement thousands of GPUs into AI service. "More is more better" **.

Considering the gaming desperate already are renting VGAs from Nvidia, and paying for ChatGPT, it's not inconceivable that users of those services might prefer "one stop shopping" with M$.

** And yes Rudy, even one so "uneducated" as myself, knows that you're not supposed to use "more", with the superlative "better". (That's why it's in quotes.}

 

[captaincranky]

And how would they get a connection that's separate from my Internet connection?

Are you suggesting the the telecoms are so incompetent that they couldn't come up with a router that had 2 (or more) IP addresses? Or maybe just run 2 fiber optic cables into a building?

The only reason they haven't is the fact they want to charge you, "per line". Which ISP is speak for one IP address.

But come to think of it, consider a family of four, all with cellphones. With a typical landline, If your sister's upstairs on the phone, dad can pick up the phone in the living room a hear every word she's saying. No so with your basic cell, "4 phone family plan". But yes, high GB bandwidth combined with switching probably accounts for this.

What about business that have 2 phone numbers?

 

[lripplinger]

Windows 11 Enterprise IOT LTSC allows for installing on low powered devices. It bypasses some of the hardware requirements needed for Home and PRO versions of Windows 11. That is merely an anecdote, since we use it during production of vision testing systems at my job. Not useful or accessible for the average home user. Unfortunately, most users will have to just plan on getting new computers. Linux is cool and all for keeping old hardware going, but that is not going to be known by your average home user. They will just go out and buy a new computer. Just a shame to have so much e-waste generated.

 

[BadThad]

Since Windows 10 has worked extremely well for me, I've allowed the world to beta W11 for me. Thank you guinea pigs. I'm sticking it out with W10 until the end.

 

[JamesBlond]

I’m still running a couple of windows 8.1 media centers because nothing yet comes close to doing what they could do. No explosions. No meltdowns. No bank robberies. No bot gangs. It just works, primarily because Microsoft is no longer futzing with it monthly.

I run Linux mint as my daily productivity driver. I do have a win10pro vm for the few programs that don’t work (well) with Linux.

Windows has become, for me, specialty software for edge conditions. I may have to use win11 in the future but it’ll be again for those few laggards that have not evolved to Linux.

You should try Tiny10 for a really buzz, its super and you control everything with the write privatefirewall.exe

 

[captaincranky]

You should try Tiny10 for a really buzz, its super and you control everything with the write privatefirewall.exe

I know what you mean, I use "tiny 10" myself. I think they call it "Windows 7".

 

[LimyG]

What a bunch of clowns MS have become.

 

[LimyG]

I know what you mean, I use "tiny 10" myself. I think they call it "Windows 7".

Meaning they stole the source code from W7 and adapted it, then called it tiny10.

MS won't like that. Lawsuits ahoy!

I don't mind if a flame for this Captaincranky.
Just make it witty like the majority of your posts. Thanks in advance.

 

[Art C]

Yeah, Linux will never be viable. And no, it isn't viable now. And no, Steam isn't a solution. Valve = evil trash company. I say all of this as somebody that us forced to use Linux daily and is extremely familiar with it. Anybody that days Linux is a viable solution for anything is delusional. Recently been dropping customers that refuse to move away from Linux. All it ever does is create issues.

I'm sorry that you have to live with being so wrong. Linux is superior in every way.

 

[ChipBoundary]

I'm sorry that you have to live with being so wrong. Linux is superior in every way.

No, no it isn't.

 

[captaincranky]

I'm sorry that you have to live with being so wrong. Linux is superior in every way.

Well, if you're going to make such broad, categorically sweeping statements such as this, you should at least be courteous enough to begin with something "in my opinion, or, "in my humble opinion". Feel free to use the colloquial contractions., "IMO", or "IMHO".

Anything less, IMHO, is just snobbery and condescension.

Linux does dominate the server market with 96+ %.
However, in home settings, window is by far the most popular, simply by it's degree of compatibility with available programs. Linux still can't be adopted in the home, without WINE, VMs, and dual boot solutions.

Linux is fine for those with IT experience. But, grandma, grandad, and myself, just want to be able to boot up to go shopping at Amazon.

Admittedly, with the advent of Windows 11, M$ is heading down a long dark road to extinction. But that's years away.. As long as the individual developers continue their dedication to advancing Linux to the mainstream.

So why not say, "Linux is far superior for individuals like me", and leave it at that?

 

[ZedRM]

I'm sorry that you have to live with being so wrong. Linux is superior in every way.

Linux is a solid alternative to Windows. Calling it "superior" is entirely subjective and a clear sign of ignorance. You do you. Don't tell the rest of us what to think.

 

[ChipBoundary]

Well, if you're going to make such broad, categorically sweeping statements such as this, you should at least be courteous enough to begin with something "in my opinion, or, "in my humble opinion". Feel free to use the colloquial contractions., "IMO", or "IMHO".

Anything less, IMHO, is just snobbery and condescension.

Linux does dominate the server market with 96+ %.
However, in home settings, window is by far the most popular, simply by it's degree of compatibility with available programs. Linux still can't be adopted in the home, without WINE, VMs, and dual boot solutions.

Linux is fine for those with IT experience. But, grandma, grandad, and myself, just want to be able to boot up to go shopping at Amazon.

Admittedly, with the advent of Windows 11, M$ is heading down a long dark road to extinction. But that's years away.. As long as the individual developers continue their dedication to advancing Linux to the mainstream.

So why not say, "Linux is far superior for individuals like me", and leave it at that?

I have decades of IT experience and it isn't viable for me either. I know how to use it very well, but it is so far beyond user friendly it is ridiculous. The main problem is this, Linux does not have a central, controlled repository for everything security and stability updates. No, before you claim otherwise, it absolutely does not. And with it's unfathomable number of distro's that can never happen. Without that it is automatically not viable. It's not arrogance or bluffing, it's just a fact.

Also, Linux does NOT dominate the server market. It dominates the WEB server market, but outside of the singular category it controls roughly 13% of other server functions, which is actually where the overwhelming majority of server power and functionality exists.

The bottom line is this, if it is a PC that connects to the Internet for users? It needs extremely tight regulation and control. Without that, the entirety of the Internet falls apart.

 

[captaincranky]

No, before you claim otherwise, it absolutely does not. And with it's unfathomable number of distro's that can never happen. Without that it is automatically not viable. It's not arrogance or bluffing, it's just a fact.

I have absolutely no intention of claiming otherwise. You unfortunately intermingled this context with replies t two different members, "Art C" at post #39 & myself, at post #41.

My claim of Linux having 96% of the server market came from a simple search result, (perhaps AI driven?). The only time I have personally seen a Linux server distro mentioned is "Apache", and that was in connection with download and mirror servers. Not a clue have I as to what's really going on behind the scenes in general.

FWIW, I think most ardent users of Linux have found a specific distro they like, and have a considerable amount of experience with it. I found Mint to be usable with respect to being able to navigate it. Unfortunately, I installed it on an ancient 32 bit machine, prone to hard crashes. Whereas Windows 7 would repair itself on reboot, after a few crashes Mint pretty much de-compiled itself. To be entirely fair to that distro, Mint is 64 bit only, and I was dealing with a 32 bit true relic. (Intel G-41 / Pentium E2200 (2007)).

My prior last contact with Linux, was Ubuntu, way back when it was recommended, "for machines that were sluggish on XP. That said, Mint certainly uses more system resources than Win 7, 32 bit at least.. You know, "the good old days", when 512 MB on a video card was "a lot".

As for the "sudo apt get" Linux regime, I use Windows command line so infrequently, I have to look it up every time I need to use one.

Come to think of it, I'm a "grandpa" myself. I almost forgot, as I haven't seen my son in a good 10 years, and as is typical, I spent way too much at Amazon last month.

 

[user478318]

If you are dumbb enough to install windows 11 at least use somebody elses brains and use a Debloat Script to get rid of all the fat in the horrible os

Windows 11 is better then Windows 10 sorry.