Microsoft now blocks Windows 7 and 8.1 updates on Kaby Lake, Ryzen systems

By Scorpus · 187 replies
Mar 16, 2017
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  1. Raiderman

    Raiderman TS Booster Posts: 67   +59

    You have a hell of a lot more patience than I do! Talking to brick walls goes against the very nature of my being.
    He asks the impossible while throwing a glowing halo on the heads of Microsoft. There is no way for you to even come out of this debate with any sort of finalization. He is absolute in his non-wavering support for MS, and there is nothing you can say, short of an actual admission from Microslop. The amount of data that flows from a Windows 10 machine is not needed to help improve the "user experience", but hey I did not agree to the EULA, he
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  2. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,562   +713

    Wow.... You really won't answer, will you.... Privacy is only a right as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.... But this is not relevant to the very simple question I asked you.

    Can you prove that MS is doing anything wrong here? And if not, can you please stop spreading fear and hate?
  3. Raiderman

    Raiderman TS Booster Posts: 67   +59

  4. Yynxs

    Yynxs TS Addict Posts: 202   +70

    Honest to god. Where did you get that from? Here's my link and the Supreme Court judge that agrees.
    Justice Marshall wrote in Stanley v Georgia:
    "Whatever may be the justifications for other statutes regulating obscenity, we do not think they reach into the privacy of one's own home. If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds."​

    Not meaning to flame again, but you are not with the rest of us.

    to your second question, over and over, yes, MS is using the O/S to gather data from my equipment and network and moving it their servers without prior permission. How do you not understand that statement yet? It's not 'fear', it's truth. You, in your posts, admit they collect data from me without permission. If I pay more money or have the knowledge AND pay more money I can turn parts of it off. I 'hate' Google for making this privacy theft acceptable to little kids with no idea what they're doing. I 'hate' Microsoft for going down that same road when the whole world says Google is bad for doing that. Google defined its business structure around that privacy theft. MS didn't and doesn't have to go down that road. When they do so, I 'hate' them.

    What I may suggest is you stop giving people a hard time for preemptive actions against the theft, with no possibility of retrieval, of their privacy in their own home. Once it's on the net, you can't get it off the net.
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  5. Yynxs

    Yynxs TS Addict Posts: 202   +70

    My system blocks all Google including Youtube. Display here doesn't allow me to copy link location. So I had to Ctrl-U and hunt for the link and paste it into Tor for viewing. Here's the link for those that block Google.I see this system blocks the clicking by default. Hopefully this will work but you will have to add your own http and www. The video is really excellent.

    Makes you wonder if the guy that helped develop W7 is enough authority for our 'proofers'.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2017
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  6. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,562   +713

    OK, you gave a link to privacy vs obscenity.... that's not what you asked me though... you asked me my opinion on whether privacy was a right... and you can look at a lot of other cases (like the Federal government being granted warrants to seize phone records of entire towns to narrow down the culprit of a criminal case) that show that it's not nearly as cut and dry as you seem to believe.

    No one is saying MS is all rosy and altruistic here... that media link (by the way, WOW, someone who makes your rants seem clear and concise), by a fairly obviously disgruntled former MS employee, simply states that the reason for MS not supporting Windows 7/8 on the new CPUs is that they want you to use Windows 10... well DUH!!! That was never in doubt! Of course MS wants you to use their newest OS - if we're going to argue that, then I think we'll be done in 1 post...The man even admits he has no idea if MS is maliciously stealing your data - in fact, his hypothesis is that MS is simply incompetent and has no idea what info they are taking...

    Yes, Windows 10 is about telemetry - the guy in that media link, by the way, says he has posted other links that show you how to stop Windows 10 from all of this - I've been saying check Google multiple times by the way - and that it's actually a great OS. He only wants people to stick with Windows 7 in order to "show MS who's boss"...

    Every other OS does the same now - MS is just hopping on the bandwagon - if you have REAL evidence to say that MS is being particularly evil about this, I'll ask you one last time to share it.... but I suspect you'll just write another page-and-a-half rant without adding anything else...
  7. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,714   +3,695

    Thanks for the video. That was precisely what I am thinking about this update blocking. If MS wants to block updates for the CPU, then that is fine. But to block every thing, while others that don't have new hardware continue to receive updates, is downright unfair and should be unlawful.
  8. Yynxs

    Yynxs TS Addict Posts: 202   +70

    Ok. First the link contained more than that. I just quoted the part about privacy 'in the home' from reading what you want or viewing what you want. I know you can't seem to understand this, but that means someone monitoring what are doing IN ANY WAY is taking away your privacy.

    If you read anywhere on the web, you will see huge rants about the NSA and the government spying on American citizens even to the complaint about collecting "metadata" only. This 'non-personally-identifiable' data has been shown to be a lie throughout and even you can buy linking information from the vendors. You will notice that the ISPs and providers are actively pushing back at the government 'overstepping' to get personal information and information they've collected. Everywhere the 'slippery slope' mantra is pushed, even when discussing child molestors. I read other sites and it is angry out there about what the US government tries to do. Unfortunately when MS does exactly the same thing with their O/S and even attempts to enforce their dictums using W10, you just seem to shrug. Be assured, they are the same thing. Americans believe in freedom from government dictators, outside of unions, Americans, as a group, don't react to corporate dictators the same way. There are corporate wannabe dictators and MS is exemplifying that right now. You've been very voluble on the 'don't complain unless you can prove court testifiable wrongdoing' to you.

    No. That isn't all the link was about. Microsoft made an enforceable contract with every purchaser of W7 and W8 that they would continue security support through a specific date. The contract did not read "unless we issue a new O/S that let's us spy on you for our own reasons. He may be "a disgruntled ex-employee" but he is also 'no better authority' on the worth of W7 vs W10 AND he said W7 is better. You may not have heard that. To top that off, he has and displayed the acceptance numbers on W7 vs W10. Remember there was discussion from someone on 'business practices' where I said you build for the market not the vendor of the O/S. With W7 being 50% of all PCs including Linux, I'm thinking the market is there and not in MS's W10 pocket.

    As to showing MS who's boss, this man carries the weight (sic) of expertise on the subject and even then he caveated it saying he was emotionally involved, make your own decision. Most of us not buying and not installing W10 are saying and doing the exact same thing. It's our money. You have been telling us we're wrong and we're fear mongering and 'hating'.

    BTW, you skipped right over the part where he stated the license and sql tells MS on every piece of data they collect, who you are from the registration. He said the code to do this is trivial. It's a long youtube speech with graphics and he says a lot more than one of these 'rants' I write. You do not carry enough background, it seems, to refute him agreeing with everything I've said so far. There's not much else to say here. A better and more qualified man with a non-keyboard-warrior position, agrees with me on the dangers of the privacy and dictatorial actions of MS. I have said it before. Nothing will convince you you're wrong. You may want to examine your position a bit more closely and get off the backs of people who see reality clearly.
  9. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,562   +713

    So... to sum up your latest rant... No, you have no proof... When you have some, I'll reply... I'll leave you to your tirades.

    To conclude my point: This article has nothing to do with privacy, it is saying that MS will not be offering Windows Updates to Ryzen/Kaby Lake owners using Win7/8 (or older OSes) despite these CPUs working fine with these OSes. The reason for this is that MS wants you to go to Windows 10. Since MS, Intel and AMD had all previously stated that Ryzen/Kaby Lake would only support Windows 10, there are no legal grounds for anyone to complain other than sour grapes.

    Your continued rants about privacy - which you have yet to give any proof for - if MS actually took you seriously, would be grounds for them to sue you for libel.... good thing they don't give a rat's @ss about your opinions :)
  10. Wozza

    Wozza TS Rookie

    I recently built a Kaby Lake system and received all windows updates for it. The system runs perfectly without any problems at all. My only question is to what extent is Microsoft able to dictate what my system is built with? isn't this just a bit dictatorial? Windows is only an interface between me and my computer system, it has nothing to do with what hardware I use. I started checking every update for my system a few months ago and if I don't need it or want it, I don't download and install it. This is something that Microsoft has taken out of the hands of its users by forcing them to have what they want and not necessarily what they need. Like the automatic update to the anniversary edition, that is a reasonably large amount of download quota just because they want everyone to be on the exact same platform. I loathe Windows 10 because of the inbuilt surveillance system required by the NSA. Even long after 2020 when the updates for Windows 7 is done away with I will still be using it, just like those who still use Windows XP and Vista.
  11. Squid Surprise

    Squid Surprise TS Evangelist Posts: 1,562   +713

    OK, putting aside your unsubstantiated claims about the NSA, Microsoft is the owner of Windows 7/8/Vista/10, etc... You own a copy that you are entitled to use - but only on hardware that the hardware supports - or that MS supports. When Kaby Lake was released, it was made very clear that it would not support Windows 8 or earlier. This was said by Intel and Microsoft. Yes, it works fine. No, there is no reason why it shouldn't continue to work fine. But MS is entitled to drop updates for Kaby Lake - because they do NOT officially support it on anything other than Windows 10.

    While the most obvious reason for MS' decision is because they want as many people to migrate to Windows 10 as possible, it also has other perks for them like the ability to only optimize drivers/patches/etc for 1 OS, and the ability to only have personnel dedicated to supporting 1 OS going into the future.
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  12. PHerrmann

    PHerrmann TS Rookie

    I encountered this kind of problem two years ago when I decided to replace my “old” i7 920 (bought in 2009), with XP Professionnal running on it, by a processor having approximately twice the processing power, the i7 4790K. I haven't planned to change the OS.
    When I tried to run XP on the new processor + mobo, the system refused to boot.
    Google indicated a driver problem, but I wasn't sure to make XP run again. So I decided to move to Linux 64 bit (LMDE).
    Fortunately enough, I was used to free software for sound and video processing on XP, and I began to use Linux for every task. I don't think I will come back to Windows.
  13. electriac

    electriac TS Member Posts: 21   +16

    Just cancelled purchase of 3 Rizen Processors and MOBO's. After six months of frustration we have backdated all our machines to Win7. We are skipping Win10 as we previously had to do with ME, Vista and 8.
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