Microsoft waves the white flag, says it won't hit Windows 10 installation goal on time

[dragonherder]

There are multiple reasons they won't hit that goal. While windows 10 is great there is also a lot of misconceptions about it in the public eye. First and foremost that there is this massive privacy invasion over things already done. This was done because of adding Cortana into windows 10 and most of this data is collected by every single OS out there in some manner, microsoft just happens to keep it off site for some higher grade processing for search and the like a la siri/google now style.

Secondly while again 10 is great Microsoft didn't do due diligence in what hardware would work for it or not when pushing people to upgrade so you ended up with a lot of people talking about this or that and creating these "horror stories" basically any computer with 7 or higher could upgrade, but many of those computers on 7 or 8 never had drives in 8.1 or 10 and thus created a SLEW of problems that popped up requiring people to roll back and some of those people lost data as a result of it. This created a public sentiment that somehow windows 10 would delete people's files and for those that don't know why that might of happened it was a scary thought, so microsoft should of made sure Windows 10 didn't install on hardware that had no official drivers from intel, nvidia, amd etc.

A third overall problem that popped up is how tech news sites went from loving 10 to flat out going off on this privacy tangent that wasn't really realistic. A lot of misinformation was spread (like 10 would remove any software you pirated at any time, when realistically the only software they would remove is stuff that came from their store that you pirated somehow ie pirated apps) Misinformation tends to lead to confusion among the public and some tech sites/blogs are to blame for that confusion/misinformation. Microsoft on their part could of explained some of this in less legalese speak, but overall it didn't help matters what sites did.

So windows 10 while good has issues from both MS and the tech sites misinformation that and MS aggressively pushing it turning some people off.

 

[dragonherder]

Full version, separately. I build my own so its not one that came with the PC, so to speak.

I dunno why people asked that question they asked you. They should of asked if you grabbed a cheaper system builders version of 7 or a full retail version as the system builder version operates the same as an OEM license.

 

[Barc777]

"Waving the white flag"? Made me think that MS was extending the offer....

 

[Moirraine]

The auto activation surely is a good thing, I did loose a couple of keys for older versions of windows when had to reinstall it a couple times on the same machine.

It was a big goal to reach, however to date I don't see all the hate for W10, I've been an early adopter for all windows alike, since 95 to ME and so on and I'm not sure if I've been extremely lucky to not run into any of the issues people tend to describe, or is it me not forcing it to fail.

You don't see Win 10 hate?

Apparently you don't get out much.

Win 10 compared to Win 7 is a DISASTER.

 

[RockinRobbins]

Windows 10 was fraudulently promoted with malware from Microsoft installed on our computers without our knowledge or consent. GWX is a bot, able to be reprogrammed by Microsoft to do all manner of mischief on our computers, ignoring our property rights, ignoring the necessity for voluntary contracts and full disclosure by all parties to an "agreement" and using techniques of malware, such as installation without user consent, hiding in a hidden directory, no uninstall routine, remote modification with new payloads and new methods from remote servers without user consent or knowledge.

Microsoft has thrown in the towel in the struggle against malware, and now the operating system itself IS malware. Even the definition of an operating system has changed from a service to help you run and organize the software you install on your machine, to a piece of adware whose main purpose is to serve you advertisements (more then half the tiles in the abomination they laughingly refer to as the "start menu" are advertisements!) and collect personal information from you which they will sell and you will gain no benefit from.

Microsoft has therefore migrated from a stance of serving its customers to that of preying upon its victims.

That is why it will not reach its goal. What it has done should be construed as crimes: conversion of private property, subversion of trust, misrepresentation and predation. Can they change this and undo the damage?
They can fix their operating system but there is nothing they can do to get their formerly exemplary reputation back. Microsoft is just waiting for a better company to replace them. They've jumped the shark.

 

[Mugsy]

I'm a PC tech and I haven't seen so many complaints about an OS upgrade since Windows 8.0. I've actually taken to referring to it as "the Windows 10 virus... better known as Windows 10" when customers tell me they're having problems.

So many of my customers are surprised to see I still use Windows 7, and wonder why I don't "upgrade" to 10 "since it is free". One of my biggest complaints (that I've notified MS about since I was a Beta tester) is the fact Win10 seems to be CONSTANTLY updating. Be it drivers, OS updates, Defender, News Feeds, whatever. So when you are trying to do anything online, suddenly your connection slows to a crawl as the Update steals ALL of your bandwidth (foreground tasks SHOULD be given priority. Not everyone has a T3 line at their disposal, Bill.)

I have an old "ATI HDTV Wonder" PCI card in my PC. MS stopped supporting it as of Win8, and while Win 10 "claims" to install a working driver, the card does not actually work with W10. The discontinuing of "Windows Media Center" (notably the "Live TV" feature) wouldn't be so awful if MS offered it as separate software, but they don't. And I'm not giving it up (I've tried 3rd Party software that *tries* to mimic WMC, but they all fall FAR short.)

After I installed the "upgrade" then rolled it back to 7, my old setup had been "modified". On *nearly* all of my shortcuts, the corner arrow was replaced with the "locked" padlock. Changing the Registry entry didn't fix it. Fortunately, I backed up my entire C: drive prior to "upgrading", so I was able to restore my system back to normal. But note the "rollback" feature of 10 isn't 100%.

One thing I recommend all my Win10 customers do is disable the "software nags". So many users are "sick to death" of being nagged about "Trying Office 360", etc and are always pleased when I tell them how to turn the nags off. Windows 10 is really just a platform to sell new software (The "Store"). That's why MS is giving it away for free.

DirectX12 will be great for cutting-edge games, but it's the first version of DX not to have 100% backwards compatibility with old DX8/DX9 software, meaning many old XP games may no longer work w/o crashing, a minor complaint, but more problematic then MS may realize.

So I don't think I'll be "upgrading" to Windows 10 anytime soon... if ever.

 

[Reachable]

It only debuted one year ago, not three.

 

[DadDanko]

My case my be a bit extreme. I have a complicated situation, 4 laptops and 2 desktops. Laptop 1 is an ASUS T100 tablet that shipped with Windows 8.1. I have jumped through many hoops to get Windows 10 Preview, clean re-install to W10 Consumer Release, all the time on Insider previews. Lately I have been doing my best to keep up with the torrent of updates. Laptop 2 shipped with Windows 7 several years ago and has been upgraded to W10 a year ago, also playing the Insider game. Laptops 3 and 4 shipped with Windows 7. Desktop 1 is W7. Desktop 2 is W10 upgraded from W7. Laptops 2 and 3 are used primarily for gaming and to run Windows Media center. Desktop 1 is run as a Windows Media Center server teamed with an XBOX 360 that feeds my large living room TV. Desktop 2 is a Windows 10 Sandbox.
Windows Media Center did not make the jump to Windows 10. I consider this a huge mistake by Microsoft as dedicated WMC users will NEVER upgrade to W10 as long as WMC is supported. Therein lies a very big IF and a big customer relation swamp for Microsoft.
I have tried to rig the game. I cloned the hard drives in my dedicated WMC systems, forced the Windows 10 upgrade and then re-installed the Windows 7 hard drives. Last week I put in the W10 drives and let them update.
I will probably do that one more time before 7/29.

 

[DadDanko]

I have already upgraded my PC to 10 then downgraded so my key has been activated as a Windows 10 upgrade key. I have a Windows 10 USB ISO and will install it whenever I please. After a year or so when DX12 takes off and I get a new GPU I will upgrade then.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-will-microsoft-charge-you-if-you-need-to-reinstall/

I have already upgraded my PC to 10 then downgraded so my key has been activated as a Windows 10 upgrade key. I have a Windows 10 USB ISO and will install it whenever I please. After a year or so when DX12 takes off and I get a new GPU I will upgrade then.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-will-microsoft-charge-you-if-you-need-to-reinstall/

I went through that exercise on an ASUS T100 tablet after running the W10 Preview to get to the Consumer Release and it worked just fine. I just tried it again to see what would happen and I was informed that since my license is OEM the version I downloaded will not activate. It worked last year but not this year. It's a good thing my recovery drive worked or I would be bricked. ASUS refuses to supply a factory image media for my machine plus I have had a lot of trouble convincing the BIOS to boot just about anything that is not pure Windows 10. None of the 3rd party backup software survives a reboot.

 

[amstech]

I went through that exercise on an ASUS T100 tablet after running the W10 Preview to get to the Consumer Release and it worked just fine. I just tried it again to see what would happen and I was informed that since my license is OEM the version I downloaded will not activate. It worked last year but not this year. It's a good thing my recovery drive worked or I would be bricked. ASUS refuses to supply a factory image media for my machine plus I have had a lot of trouble convincing the BIOS to boot just about anything that is not pure Windows 10. None of the 3rd party backup software survives a reboot.

Just make an image.
I use Clonezilla but there are plenty of other good ones. (just don't forget to sysprep)