MIT researchers develop an AI model that can detect Covid-19 in asymptomatic individuals

[Endymio]

Another NIH study on the subject, originally published in the Journal of Pediatric Health:

Do facemasks protect against COVID‐19?

" One danger of [wearing masks] is the illusion of protection. Surgical facemasks are designed to be discarded after single use. As they become moist they become porous and no longer protect. Indeed, experiments have shown that surgical and cotton masks do not trap the SARS‐CoV‐2 (COVID‐19) virus, which can be detected on the outer surface of the masks for up to 7 days. 7 , 8 Thus, a pre‐symptomatic or mildly infected person wearing a facemask for hours without changing it and without washing hands every time they touched the mask could paradoxically increase the risk of infecting others...

 

[Endymio]

And what are those numbers per 100K compared to Covid?

From the link you yourself quoted earlier -- and I stress again that even these figures are based on the vastly inflated mortality rates from the early days of the pandemic:

"We calculate....approximately 4,532 35–44-year olds would [die of Covid]. For context, in 2016, 2,851 individuals in that age range died of liver disease; 3,369 died of homicide; 7,030 died in suicides; 10,477 died of heart disease; 10,903 died of malignant cancers; and 20,975 died of unintentional injuries such as car accidents...."

Using the current case mortality rate, that 4,532 figure for the 35-44 cohort drops to roughly 1,500. But even without that adjustment, Covid is only a mild increment to your total risk. And, of course, for all age cohorts below that, the risk is far more trivial.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Are you seriously attempting to deny that mortality rates have improved dramatically?

No, where did you see me make that claim? I am well aware of the Worldometer data set, I check it most days.

Using current mortality risk rates, all age cohorts under age 45 have a lower risk of death from Covid than they do the flu, and you have to reach the 55+ cohort before the Covid risk becomes significantly higher.

Where is this current data? I'd like to check it out because I'd like to see how our current steady(ish) state of treatment is doing without the early numbers from NY/NE when the hospitals were overwhelmed.

Even worse for your argument is the fact that, even if we don't correct the data in this manner and use the inflated figures, they show that the age 15-24 cohort has only a 1.98X greater risk of Covid than of the flu.

Your claim was: "they were less at risk to Covid than they'd be from the common flu." Don't judge my arguments by moving the goalposts on yours.

Thus a college student who in years past attended two stadium football games had the exact same risk of dying as a student today who attends one. In the first case you advocate saying and doing nothing whatsoever, but in second case you advocate banning the practice entirely (and, according to the prior poster, arresting anyone who even suggests attending a football game.) Do you honestly believe this is this a reasonable position?

I didn't argue for or against attending a football game. But it's reasonable to say the covid risk to a 15-24 year old is only twice that of the flu. But it's three times the overall risk of flu as you add covid on top of flu's risk. People might get antsy about tripling their ID risk.

This means that if the flu data had been taken from a year with social distancing and masks in place, it was be far lower

Checking your study, it apparently used flu data from the 2017 year. Not a terrible flu season by any means.

The link contained 10 years of data, not sure how that affects anything.

Also, I reiterate that not one single study has ever shown public mask use to reduce influenza rates. This is the reason both the CDC and the WHO advised against mask use.

Your own graph shows 2020 flu cases dropping sharply beginning in week 10 -- early March. The CDC didn't change its guidance to advise mask use until early April (the WHO didn't do so until June) and widespread mask availability and use didn't start until the late April - mid May timeframe, depending on area. Mask use could not possibly have caused the reduction.

You're assuming that people waited for the CDC recommendations to social distance & wear masks. And I'm assuming that they didn't. Being assumptions, my opinion on this is not really relevant and neither is yours.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Another NIH study on the subject, originally published in the Journal of Pediatric Health:

Do facemasks protect against COVID‐19?

" One danger of [wearing masks] is the illusion of protection. Surgical facemasks are designed to be discarded after single use. As they become moist they become porous and no longer protect. Indeed, experiments have shown that surgical and cotton masks do not trap the SARS‐CoV‐2 (COVID‐19) virus, which can be detected on the outer surface of the masks for up to 7 days. 7 , 8 Thus, a pre‐symptomatic or mildly infected person wearing a facemask for hours without changing it and without washing hands every time they touched the mask could paradoxically increase the risk of infecting others...

That's another meta-analysis with all their weaknesses. And the cite in your quote there, paper #7, has been retracted. Not encouraging for the data. It does seem that there is scant good data out there for determining mask effectiveness, positive or negative.

 

[Endymio]

But [college student's risk is] three times the overall risk of flu as you add covid on top of flu's risk. People might get antsy about tripling their ID risk.

The flu isn't the only infectious disease. Pneumonia most years is nearly as bad (sometimes worse), meningitis, a dozen others. And, of course, the data makes clear that with current mortality rates, the risk from Covid has dropped dramatically. Finally, even grouping all infectious diseases together, combined they are only #10 on the top 10 causes of deaths for young adults. It's really not a risk factor for college students.

Where is this current data? I'd like to check it out because I'd like to see how our current steady(ish) state of treatment is doing

I've read several articles on the subject; most simply did what I did myself, which because the values are constantly changing, recalculate it based on the CDC's data.

Your claim was: "they were less at risk to Covid than they'd be from the common flu." Don't judge my arguments by moving the goalposts on yours.

Fair enough. I retract the implication that you were advocating for continued lockdowns.

You're assuming that people waited for the CDC recommendations to social distance & wear masks.

On the issue of masks, it's not an assumption. Masks weren't even commonly available in early March. I don't believe I even saw one single person wearing one in public in my own area until the April timeframe. Look at any news footage from public areas in March. Outside of some parts of NYC, you can see large crowds of people all without masks.

 

[0dium]

I don't know about the rest of the world but in my country something is not right with this "second wave". Case number is inflated

 

[scavengerspc]

with current mortality rates, the risk from Covid has dropped dramatically

This is true. Problem is that as many Americans will do, they keep getting dumber. Much better mortality rates compared to the number of cases is worthless when the infection rate grows so high. 1000 deaths per day. There is no way to ignore that.

Not to mention the many possible side effects of the illness long after discharge\recovery.

 

[Endymio]

That's another meta-analysis with all their weaknesses.

Meta-analyses have strengths as well as weaknesses. Quoting from an NIH study on meta-analysis:

"Outcomes from a meta-analysis may include a more precise estimate of the effect of treatment or risk factor for disease, or other outcomes, than any individual study contributing to the pooled analysis. The examination of variability or heterogeneity in study results is also a critical outcome. The benefits of meta-analysis include a consolidated and quantitative review of a large, and often complex, sometimes apparently conflicting, body of literature. "

It does seem that there is scant good data out there for determining mask effectiveness, positive or negative.

If your position is this, I won't argue against it. However, there are many people still taking the absurd position that "the science says masks save lives!", when it says anything but that. I still recoil in horror whenever I'm in public and I see the mask-wearing habits of the general public: reusing a disposable mask multiple times; failing to cover their nose; continually touching their face and mouth area as they adjust it; touching potentially infected surfaces before and after the mask; the list is endless. And, of course, that ignores entirely the aerosolizing effect of thin cloth masks. Whatever the benefits of proper wearing, handling, and disposal of a three-layer surgical mask, it seems clear that the general public's use of cloth masks is almost certainly increasing the risk of spread.

 

[JaredTheDragon]

It's just outright hilarious watching you folks struggle with statistics on topics like this. One of the first things you ever learn about arithmetic is that you can't divide by zero.

Two or three people in this entire post got it right, and everyone else just dodged the article itself wholesale. No, AI cannot "detect Covid", since we have neither in existence to date so far. It's not even possible. And even if it did exist, what would the false positive rates be like? Worse than PCR tests, which are at 100%? So it would be diagnosing people that aren't even born yet, or are already dead.

Incredible mental gymnastics here; gold medals all around.

 

[scavengerspc]

Just something for everyone to keep in mind. Its from UC Davis and supported by the CDC, John Hopkins, and the ECDC among others.

Your Mask Cuts Own Risk by 65 Percent

Scientific evidence is clear: Social distancing and wearing masks help prevent people from spreading COVID-19, and masks also protect those who wear them, two UC Davis Health experts said on UC Davis LIVE: COVID-19. A range of new research on face coverings shows that the risk of infection to...

www.ucdavis.edu

 

[scavengerspc]

Some more American pride:
An addendum to my post (#32) above. 99000 new cases Friday:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/30/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates

 

[Endymio]

Just something for everyone to keep in mind. Its from UC Davis.. (link omitted)

Your link is an article written for the public by Rick Kushman, whose bio says he is a "senior writer for public relations" at UC Davis. Ouch.

But wait! It gets worse, much worse. The article cites a "recent study" and claims it proves that masks cut down Covid risk by 65%. Unsurprisingly, the actual research paper says no such thing. It's not a study, but a meta-analysis, which the authors call a "rapid review". On masks, they examined 10 prior studies (see forest plot, fig. 5). Four of these were on N95 respirator use by medical professionals. Six more were on use of 12-16 layer surgical masks. Of these 6, five showed no benefit outside the range of statistical error (one showed a net increase in infection from mask use), and only one (Nishiyama 2008) showed a strong correlation between this type of mask and lowered infection risk.

There were no studies in this research which examined cloth mask use or even 3-layer cotton mask use by the general public.

The authors also cited a separate meta-analysis recently published, one that did examine mask use by the general public. Quoting from its results:

" We included 15 randomised trials investigating the effect of masks ...Compared to no masks there was no reduction of influenza-like illness (ILI) cases (Risk Ratio 0.93, 95%CI 0.83 to 1.05) or influenza (Risk Ratio 0.84, 95%CI 0.61-1.17) for masks in the general population, nor in healthcare workers... There was insufficient evidence to provide a recommendation on the use of facial barriers without other measures...."

In other words, article says almost the exact opposite of what the research it cites does. But it's written for laymen, who the author believes aren't intelligent or educated enough to know better.

(note for other readers: @scavengerspc and I have gone through this exercise before, a few months earlier. He would link a popular article written by some journalist. I would read it, to find it either cited no research whatsoever, or the research it cited said something different than what the article reputed to it. He would then link a new article, and the process would repeat.)

 

[CBTex]

Wouldn't coughing be a symptom? If someone has a cough, they aren't asymptomatic. Minor symptoms <> no symptoms.

 

[Uncle Al]

College students are almost immune to Coronavirus. Their CFR is extremely low. Stanford came out with a study recently showing that for healthy people under 65, the chance of dying is the same a daily auto commute to work.

The big risk is for those over 75, with at least one comorbidity. Those are the ones who should self isolate. Everyone else should have a choice.

You need to review that data. The number of people under 40 that die from COVID-19 is just over one third of the total deaths and college students are NOT immune, in fact no age group is immune. The basis of susceptibility has less to do with age and more to do about any kind of compromised immune system, which carries a much greater risk. Those that suggest it is less dangerous than influenza simply don't know what they are talking about. The highest death rate to flu in the last century was 83,000 in a year .... COVID-19 will exceed 4x that number by the end of the year and will certainly go higher. Just looking around the globe, there is another surge in cases because it's not being taken seriously and like H1Ni, SARS, MERS and others, it's here to stay ..... take it very, very seriously before you become just another statistic .....

 

[scavengerspc]

Your link is an article written for the public by Rick Kushman, whose bio says he is a "senior writer for public relations" at UC Davis. Ouch.

But wait! It gets worse, much worse. The article cites a "recent study" and claims it proves that masks cut down Covid risk by 65%. Unsurprisingly, the actual research paper says no such thing. It's not a study, but a meta-analysis, which the authors call a "rapid review". On masks, they examined 10 prior studies (see forest plot, fig. 5). Four of these were on N95 respirator use by medical professionals. Six more were on use of 12-16 layer surgical masks. Of these 6, five showed no benefit outside the range of statistical error (one showed a net increase in infection from mask use), and only one (Nishiyama 2008) showed a strong correlation between this type of mask and lowered infection risk.

There were no studies in this research which examined cloth mask use or even 3-layer cotton mask use by the general public.

The authors also cited a separate meta-analysis recently published, one that did examine mask use by the general public. Quoting from its results:

" We included 15 randomised trials investigating the effect of masks ...Compared to no masks there was no reduction of influenza-like illness (ILI) cases (Risk Ratio 0.93, 95%CI 0.83 to 1.05) or influenza (Risk Ratio 0.84, 95%CI 0.61-1.17) for masks in the general population, nor in healthcare workers... There was insufficient evidence to provide a recommendation on the use of facial barriers without other measures...."

In other words, article says almost the exact opposite of what the research it cites does. But it's written for laymen, who the author believes aren't intelligent or educated enough to know better.

(note for other readers: @scavengerspc and I have gone through this exercise before, a few months earlier. He would link a popular article written by some journalist. I would read it, to find it either cited no research whatsoever, or the research it cited said something different than what the article reputed to it. He would then link a new article, and the process would repeat.)

Written by "some journalists" with clearly stated sources.
You remind me of the old saying:
"If you cant tantalized them with the truth then baffle them with bullshit". That's you.

Some more info on masking:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

.

When and how to use masks

WHO's guidance and advice on the use of masks to protect against and limit the spread of COVID-19.

www.who.int

 

[TheBigFatClown]

With less social distancing and mask wearing, it would be higher.

That's total 8U775417. If there had been no social distancing in the "summer" when the virus is less...I'm not sure the right word....contagious...not inherently...but due to the hotter weather...we would have more than likely achieved natural lifetime herd immunity already. Millions of people would have developed cases and we wouldn't be wallowing in this 8U775417 for this long like we are now. The virus has already mutated several times and becomes weaker and weaker eventually burning itself out. The social distancing 8U775417 was to drag this thing out on purpose for as long as possible so that people would be screaming for vaccines out of fear for their lives. Targeted social distancing makes absolute since...I.e....for people in nursing homes and hospitals. But almost nowhere else. Definitely, not in schools.

This orchestrated attempt to transition everybody into vaccine dependents (or junkies for those who can't wait to get injected) by keeping them from getting immunity naturally and to scream for vaccines by keeping the fear levels high has failed miserably and become so obvious to most people but...apparently...not all. I guess no matter how many pieces of evidence you put under the face of a blind man, he still can't see.

 

[Squid Surprise]

That's total 8U775417. If there had been no social distancing in the "summer" when the virus is less...I'm not sure the right word....contagious...not inherently...but due to the hotter weather...we would have more than likely achieved natural lifetime herd immunity already. Millions of people would have developed cases and we wouldn't be wallowing in this 8U775417 for this long like we are now. The virus has already mutated several times and becomes weaker and weaker eventually burning itself out. The social distancing 8U775417 was to drag this thing out on purpose for as long as possible so that people would be screaming for vaccines out of fear for their lives. Targeted social distancing makes absolute since...I.e....for people in nursing homes and hospitals. But almost nowhere else. Definitely, not in schools.

This orchestrated attempt to transition everybody into vaccine dependents (or junkies for those who can't wait to get injected) by keeping them from getting immunity naturally and to scream for vaccines by keeping the fear levels high has failed miserably and become so obvious to most people but...apparently...not all. I guess no matter how many pieces of evidence you put under the face of a blind man, he still can't see.

Would you like to provide some evidence for your complete nonsense?

And what's your definition of "herd immunity"?

Because here's the thing: REAL herd immunity is accomplished by eliminating those who are susceptible to the disease... in the US alone, that's about 50 million... even the current leader, who is on record as saying Covid isn't that serious, hasn't decided that should be done...

So BS aside, wear a mask, get your flu shot (and any other immunization that's available), practice social distancing - and don't be a complete jerk...

 

[TheBigFatClown]

Would you like to provide some evidence for your complete nonsense?

And what's your definition of "herd immunity"?

Because here's the thing: REAL herd immunity is accomplished by eliminating those who are susceptible to the disease... in the US alone, that's about 50 million... even the current leader, who is on record as saying Covid isn't that serious, hasn't decided that should be done...

So BS aside, wear a mask, get your flu shot (and any other immunization that's available), practice social distancing - and don't be a complete jerk...

Here's my response to your request for mask wearing and social distancing. You really think because you asked me nicely that I'm going to do that silly 5417???? Good luck with that!

I'm not your mommy. The truth is all over the Internet. You won't find it on Facebook, YouTube, or Twitter though. Well, actually if you're quick enough you might but they take anything down that goes viral and violates "community guidelines" which means anything that has an opposing viewpoint to Lord Faucci's. So, you'll have to venture outside your comfort zones to find it.

Okay, here's a link for you to start with:

The Great Barrington Declaration

11,564 medical & public health scientists versus your emperor Faucci.

Game On. Let's go!

 

[Squid Surprise]

Here's my response to your request for mask wearing and social distancing. You really think because you asked me nicely that I'm going to do that silly 5417???? Good luck with that!

I'm not your mommy. The truth is all over the Internet. You won't find it on Facebook, YouTube, or Twitter though. Well, actually if you're quick enough you might but they take anything down that goes viral and violates "community guidelines" which means anything that has an opposing viewpoint to Lord Faucci's. So, you'll have to venture outside your comfort zones to find it.

Okay, here's a link for you to start with:

The Great Barrington Declaration

11,564 medical & public health scientists versus your emperor Faucci.

Game On. Let's go!

lol... here's a response to your Great Barrington Declaration from Andrew Morris...
____________
The Great Barrington Declaration

• More people continue to push the concept of trying to reach herd immunity
• Trying to reach herd immunity by largely “living your life” will sacrifice a large segment of our society
• The latest push for herd immunity, The Great Barrington Declaration, has received widespread attention but comes from fringe commentators

The role of the contrarian has always intrigued me, as I often fancy myself to be one. It was almost a point of pride. Being a contrarian can be advantageous for business people, helping to differentiate from competitors and even seek new opportunities. With COVID-19, there are a variety of approaches that can be taken. The 9 months of COVID history piled onto a longer history of infectious diseases epidemiology that spans centuries, shows us that:

• infectious diseases have mostly predictable but with many unpredictable elements
• human behaviour is mostly predictable but with many more unpredictable elements

What we know about COVID-19 is:

• it predictably spreads where people gather
• a rather fixed number of people will get sick (with or without dying), heavily influenced by age. There is little we can do to change that outcome, although corticosteroids and remdesivir can help reduce the severity of illness and deaths.
• very few were spared in Wave 1, but the disproportionate effect on the young (loss of school and socialization) and old (disease, death, and isolation) and their overall relatively low contribution to the spread of disease made them victims rather than offenders.

Our repeated and demonstrably effective use of carpet-bombing to beat down COVID-19 left us with the collateral damage we now see: socio-economic, mental and physical health, etc. It has led some minds to say—including some who were saying this very early on—to just “protect the old” and stop sacrificing everyone else. The argument goes that the collateral damage from non-COVID disease is worse than that related to COVID. This concept will appeal to many and has led to the Great Barrington Declaration. (Great Barrington is a location, and does not imply that this declaration is great, but it is superb marketing.) To be honest, I find it appealing myself, and it pushes the concept of striving for herd immunity, getting everyone but the vulnerable (noting that in Canada we have around 9m people over age 65 alone, and in the US it is 50M) to just live a normal life. Without any workable solution or demonstrable example of this, the GBD is a plan to sacrifice the old and vulnerable in our population without a strategy on how to do so. It’s pseudoscientific crap, with a grab-bag of international signatories, with a few who should know what they are talking about. The only Canadian they could get to sign is an unknown to everyone in the infectious diseases and public health community in Canada. It is bunk. Oh, and it’s supported by climate change deniers. Of course.
_____________________

How about something backed by real science?

There's isn't anything... now I understand you are probably just having fun here... but spreading misinformation at this time can be quite dangerous. If even 1 person believes the crap you're spouting and goes and and infects people, you've brought about great harm...

So just stop doing it!

 

[scavengerspc]

How about something backed by real science?

You can't be serious! From people like him? He isn't worried about facts or science, just what Lord tRUMP said today. Which is pretty much guaranteed to be lies.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Anyone that didn't wear a mask for "protection" from any flu virus, you're just a hypocrite for promoting and pushing mask wearing. Stop it. I expect every single person that's screaming about wearing a mask now to be screaming about wearing masks for the flu....hell, for every single condition out there. If you're not willing to do this, stop it.

If you weren't scared enough to wear a mask from the flu you aren't scared enough to wear a mask from covid. The only reason you do is because of poor information provided to people, mass hysteria pushed on media outlets and social media are what drives the fear in people that won't stop to question the information being shoveled into their ears. Piss poor laws are being put in place to force people to wear masks because of all this misinformation floating around.

All these political campaign ads and covid commercials that are being streamed, they all say something along the lines of "times are hard because of covid" - That is a straight up lie. It's not covid that's made things difficult, it's the horrific leadership of all government bodies steering the crowds to mass fear to further control everyone. Covid didn't make anything difficult, people did; mainly government bodies. Shutting down massive swaths of the economy, telling people who was "essential" and who wasn't, letting the "non-essential" people lose their businesses, wages, jobs and not doing a damn thing to rectify their fuc kups. Then you have to listen to the parties that weren't in charge tell you how they would have done things different if they were in charge - this is a lie and everyone knows it. They would have fuc ked things up just a bad, too, because they would want to flex their power and control.

I know so many people that were told they were "infected" by covid at one point in time over the past 9 months+, not one of them died. Not one of them had a family member that died, nor do they know of anyone that has died. 95% of them showed no symptoms. Out of the other 5% or so, maybe half had mild symptoms (runny nose/sniffles, maybe a minor cough for a couple days) and the other half had flu-like symptoms (slight fevers, coughs, chills for a few days). Not one person required hospitalization. The oldest couple I know that were "positive" for covid, they live out in the middle of nowhere and hadn't been around anyone for a few months, yet they both got covid. They're both 70 years old, the lady smokes and she got a bit of a nasty cough, the guy got a very minor sniffle for a day or two. Her cough was gone after about a 10 days.

I know a half dozen families that have been called by their local doctor's office telling them that one of them had been tested positive for covid even though no one had been in to visit the doctor.

I know some people that were told they were positive when tested and they took time off from work (per mandated self quarantine guidelines), only to hear back from the testing facility a few days later that their tests were bad and they needed to be retested....then told they were negative for covid. How many bad tests are out there? How many false negatives or false positives are there?

I have a cousin and a sister that are RNs (well, cousin is an anesthesiologist) that said they've had deaths at their hospitals where patients didn't have covid or were not even tested, yet because they had "some symptom" that may be linked to what covid might cause, the death certificates are being marked as covid as the main cause of death or at least associated with the death.

A friend of mine, her best friend is a RN and she has people that died from GSWs and vehicular deaths flagged as being covid deaths......

I know a lady who's mom was a resident of a care facility. Her mom's care facility was hit with covid. 20 of the residents (all 80+ years old) had minor fevers, coughs and such and over a 2-3 week span were taken to the hospital as needed. Out of those 20 residents, all but 2 had signed DNR and DNI forms. Out of those 20 people, only 2 survived because they allowed proper medical care to be administered to them. How many other deaths like this from these care facilities are not being reported properly to the masses? What's going to push more fear, draw viewers/readers to your news outlet....telling folks that a care facility had nearly 20 deaths? Or telling a folks a care facility had nearly 20 deaths due to residents having DNR/DNI signed?

Folks can certainly believe what they want about this whole situation, but there is so much that's be hidden from the public about all of this to simply to help push an agendas in favor of some groups out there. Folks, you need to read up on everything you can, decide what's real and what's not because right now the public is getting played....it's just a massive slight of hand. We're getting shiny keys (covid) dangled in our face so we're not looking everywhere else we should be to see what's really going on.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Anyone that didn't wear a mask for "protection" from any flu virus, you're just a hypocrite for promoting and pushing mask wearing. Stop it. I expect every single person that's screaming about wearing a mask now to be screaming about wearing masks for the flu....hell, for every single condition out there. If you're not willing to do this, stop it.

If you weren't scared enough to wear a mask from the flu you aren't scared enough to wear a mask from covid. The only reason you do is because of poor information provided to people, mass hysteria pushed on media outlets and social media are what drives the fear in people that won't stop to question the information being shoveled into their ears. Piss poor laws are being put in place to force people to wear masks because of all this misinformation floating around.

All these political campaign ads and covid commercials that are being streamed, they all say something along the lines of "times are hard because of covid" - That is a straight up lie. It's not covid that's made things difficult, it's the horrific leadership of all government bodies steering the crowds to mass fear to further control everyone. Covid didn't make anything difficult, people did; mainly government bodies. Shutting down massive swaths of the economy, telling people who was "essential" and who wasn't, letting the "non-essential" people lose their businesses, wages, jobs and not doing a damn thing to rectify their fuc kups. Then you have to listen to the parties that weren't in charge tell you how they would have done things different if they were in charge - this is a lie and everyone knows it. They would have fuc ked things up just a bad, too, because they would want to flex their power and control.

I know so many people that were told they were "infected" by covid at one point in time over the past 9 months+, not one of them died. Not one of them had a family member that died, nor do they know of anyone that has died. 95% of them showed no symptoms. Out of the other 5% or so, maybe half had mild symptoms (runny nose/sniffles, maybe a minor cough for a couple days) and the other half had flu-like symptoms (slight fevers, coughs, chills for a few days). Not one person required hospitalization. The oldest couple I know that were "positive" for covid, they live out in the middle of nowhere and hadn't been around anyone for a few months, yet they both got covid. They're both 70 years old, the lady smokes and she got a bit of a nasty cough, the guy got a very minor sniffle for a day or two. Her cough was gone after about a 10 days.

I know a half dozen families that have been called by their local doctor's office telling them that one of them had been tested positive for covid even though no one had been in to visit the doctor.

I know some people that were told they were positive when tested and they took time off from work (per mandated self quarantine guidelines), only to hear back from the testing facility a few days later that their tests were bad and they needed to be retested....then told they were negative for covid. How many bad tests are out there? How many false negatives or false positives are there?

I have a cousin and a sister that are RNs (well, cousin is an anesthesiologist) that said they've had deaths at their hospitals where patients didn't have covid or were not even tested, yet because they had "some symptom" that may be linked to what covid might cause, the death certificates are being marked as covid as the main cause of death or at least associated with the death.

A friend of mine, her best friend is a RN and she has people that died from GSWs and vehicular deaths flagged as being covid deaths......

I know a lady who's mom was a resident of a care facility. Her mom's care facility was hit with covid. 20 of the residents (all 80+ years old) had minor fevers, coughs and such and over a 2-3 week span were taken to the hospital as needed. Out of those 20 residents, all but 2 had signed DNR and DNI forms. Out of those 20 people, only 2 survived because they allowed proper medical care to be administered to them. How many other deaths like this from these care facilities are not being reported properly to the masses? What's going to push more fear, draw viewers/readers to your news outlet....telling folks that a care facility had nearly 20 deaths? Or telling a folks a care facility had nearly 20 deaths due to residents having DNR/DNI signed?

Folks can certainly believe what they want about this whole situation, but there is so much that's be hidden from the public about all of this to simply to help push an agendas in favor of some groups out there. Folks, you need to read up on everything you can, decide what's real and what's not because right now the public is getting played....it's just a massive slight of hand. We're getting shiny keys (covid) dangled in our face so we're not looking everywhere else we should be to see what's really going on.

Stop comparing Covid to the Flu!!

Covid is WORSE than the flu - and we have had a century to treat the flu, develop vaccines, etc...
By the way - the Flu is still quite serious - please get a flu shot and practice proper hygiene!!

Had Covid happened back in 1919, this would be WAY worse... thank the gods that we live in these times instead of those...

 

[TheBigFatClown]

Anyone that didn't wear a mask for "protection" from any flu virus, you're just a hypocrite for promoting and pushing mask wearing. Stop it. I expect every single person that's screaming about wearing a mask now to be screaming about wearing masks for the flu....hell, for every single condition out there. If you're not willing to do this, stop it.

If you weren't scared enough to wear a mask from the flu you aren't scared enough to wear a mask from covid. The only reason you do is because of poor information provided to people, mass hysteria pushed on media outlets and social media are what drives the fear in people that won't stop to question the information being shoveled into their ears. Piss poor laws are being put in place to force people to wear masks because of all this misinformation floating around.

All these political campaign ads and covid commercials that are being streamed, they all say something along the lines of "times are hard because of covid" - That is a straight up lie. It's not covid that's made things difficult, it's the horrific leadership of all government bodies steering the crowds to mass fear to further control everyone. Covid didn't make anything difficult, people did; mainly government bodies. Shutting down massive swaths of the economy, telling people who was "essential" and who wasn't, letting the "non-essential" people lose their businesses, wages, jobs and not doing a damn thing to rectify their fuc kups. Then you have to listen to the parties that weren't in charge tell you how they would have done things different if they were in charge - this is a lie and everyone knows it. They would have fuc ked things up just a bad, too, because they would want to flex their power and control.

I know so many people that were told they were "infected" by covid at one point in time over the past 9 months+, not one of them died. Not one of them had a family member that died, nor do they know of anyone that has died. 95% of them showed no symptoms. Out of the other 5% or so, maybe half had mild symptoms (runny nose/sniffles, maybe a minor cough for a couple days) and the other half had flu-like symptoms (slight fevers, coughs, chills for a few days). Not one person required hospitalization. The oldest couple I know that were "positive" for covid, they live out in the middle of nowhere and hadn't been around anyone for a few months, yet they both got covid. They're both 70 years old, the lady smokes and she got a bit of a nasty cough, the guy got a very minor sniffle for a day or two. Her cough was gone after about a 10 days.

I know a half dozen families that have been called by their local doctor's office telling them that one of them had been tested positive for covid even though no one had been in to visit the doctor.

I know some people that were told they were positive when tested and they took time off from work (per mandated self quarantine guidelines), only to hear back from the testing facility a few days later that their tests were bad and they needed to be retested....then told they were negative for covid. How many bad tests are out there? How many false negatives or false positives are there?

I have a cousin and a sister that are RNs (well, cousin is an anesthesiologist) that said they've had deaths at their hospitals where patients didn't have covid or were not even tested, yet because they had "some symptom" that may be linked to what covid might cause, the death certificates are being marked as covid as the main cause of death or at least associated with the death.

A friend of mine, her best friend is a RN and she has people that died from GSWs and vehicular deaths flagged as being covid deaths......

I know a lady who's mom was a resident of a care facility. Her mom's care facility was hit with covid. 20 of the residents (all 80+ years old) had minor fevers, coughs and such and over a 2-3 week span were taken to the hospital as needed. Out of those 20 residents, all but 2 had signed DNR and DNI forms. Out of those 20 people, only 2 survived because they allowed proper medical care to be administered to them. How many other deaths like this from these care facilities are not being reported properly to the masses? What's going to push more fear, draw viewers/readers to your news outlet....telling folks that a care facility had nearly 20 deaths? Or telling a folks a care facility had nearly 20 deaths due to residents having DNR/DNI signed?

Folks can certainly believe what they want about this whole situation, but there is so much that's be hidden from the public about all of this to simply to help push an agendas in favor of some groups out there. Folks, you need to read up on everything you can, decide what's real and what's not because right now the public is getting played....it's just a massive slight of hand. We're getting shiny keys (covid) dangled in our face so we're not looking everywhere else we should be to see what's really going on.

The goal is to scare people into thinking that vaccination is the only way you can live your life without fear from a trillion+ viruses that are...*gasp*...circulating right now on planet Earth. Sorry, if you can create a vaccine that gives me eternal life and then show me a person who is at least 200 years old who got that shot, I'll take that shot.
Vaccinations do not prevent deaths from old age or making poor decisions throughout your life that kill you, I.e., smoking, being overweight, hiding under your bed from the very thing that would boost your immune system, namely the sun, and putting all your faith in mad scientists vaccines instead of more natural safe supplements like Vitamin D and Zinc.

I hear hydroxycholorquine does incredibly well against this weak *** corona virus if treatment is started early. But that doesn't fit into the 24/7 "Omg Sweet Baby Jesus, Please get us a vaccine or we're all gonna die!" narrative. So, they do studies that make it look like a bad solution by prescribing lethal doses. Nice.

There is a push to make people believe life without vaccines is just too damn scary to attempt. It's BU775417!

I have no problem if YOU think vaccines are the 5417! Knock yourself out. Just keep the needles away from me.

 

[scavengerspc]

The goal is to scare people into thinking that vaccination is the only way you can live your life without fear from a trillion+ viruses that are...*gasp*...circulating right now on planet Earth. Sorry, if you can create a vaccine that gives me eternal life and then show me a person who is at least 200 years old who got that shot, I'll take that shot.
Vaccinations do not prevent deaths from old age or making poor decisions throughout your life that kill you, I.e., smoking, being overweight, hiding under your bed from the very thing that would boost your immune system, namely the sun, and putting all your faith in mad scientists vaccines instead of more natural safe supplements like Vitamin D and Zinc.

I hear hydroxycholorquine does incredibly well against this weak *** corona virus if treatment is started early. But that doesn't fit into the 24/7 "Omg Sweet Baby Jesus, Please get us a vaccine or we're all gonna die!" narrative. So, they do studies that make it look like a bad solution by prescribing lethal doses. Nice.

There is a push to make people believe life without vaccines is just too damn scary to attempt. It's BU775417!

I have no problem if YOU think vaccines are the 5417! Knock yourself out. Just keep the needles away from me.

195 nations are scrambling for a vaccine and they all got together and agree with what has to be done, and they all did it just to piss you off. Grow up tin foil feller.

For once in your life act like an adult and grow a pair.
For once in your life try being part of the solution instead of a part of the problem

Every time you post I picture you rolled up in a ball cowering under a bed in a room layered in Duct tape and clutching a picture of your Mommy.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Stop comparing Covid to the Flu!!

Covid is WORSE than the flu - and we have had a century to treat the flu, develop vaccines, etc...
By the way - the Flu is still quite serious - please get a flu shot and practice proper hygiene!!

Had Covid happened back in 1919, this would be WAY worse... thank the gods that we live in these times instead of those...

You do know that you don't treat the flu, don't you?

You treat the symptoms that the flu causes. Same with covid. You treat the symptoms. There is no cure for the flu. The vaccines out there for the flu are only about 30-40% effective, if that. And that's if they guessed correctly as to what strain(s) might be more influential.

I haven't had a flu shot for decades and I haven't gotten sick from the flu either. I tend to be a carrier for a lot of things - such as Streptococcus bacteria.

Wife and daughter, they always get flu shots and they always come down with the flu. My son and I don't. He'll probably be a lot like me and be a carrier for a lot of things.

I probably had covid go through my system as well back in mid/late November and early December last year when folks at my work were getting awfully sick and after being tested for the flu, they were all told it wasn't the flu. It was some "other" virus that's been going around.

The "first" case of covid wasn't in Wuhan like you've been told, it's been circulating for a some time now.