Modders negate God of War Ragnarök PSN requirement after a brief review bombing

[Felusy]

It runs flawlessly on my AMD card as well, so who cares, shill?

30 fps gamer? The game literally runs like crap on most AMD cards in comparison to Nvidia cards. Also DLSS/DLAA is the superior upscaling and AA.

DLAA beats native with ease. TAA is garbage compared to DLAA. Techpowerup tested this.
DLSS beats FSR with ease. Also DLSS 3 FG beats FSR FG with ease as well.

Nothing new really. And the reason I left AMD GPU behind. AMD is years behind on features and left high-end GPU market for a reason.

AMD makes decent CPUs, but their GPUs are pretty much worse than ever.

Nvidia's grasp of desktop GPU market balloons to 88% — AMD has just 12%, Intel negligible, says JPR

The discrete GPU industry is returning to seasonality.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD has zero focus on gaming GPUs right now. They chase AI marketshare, but its a lost battle.

AMD is a CPU company first, GPU second. They will never beat Nvidia and Nvidia has 100 times the R&D funds.

They even dropped the ball in the CPU market with Zen 5. Cheaped out and went with 5nm again, same 7nm IO die.

 

[Felusy]

Sure. But when cinematics is literally all you have, it hardly registers as a game to begin with.


They are absolutely not "solid". God of War is a completely uninspired action/combat game, with awful puzzles on top (not that it matters that much, because your party members will spoil the puzzle solution for you after 10 seconds). Spiderman is a completely uninspired beat-em-up, literally just a reskinned Batman Arkham, with some Ubisoft-esque open world collectibles on top. The Last of Us is the blandest survival game in existance. Uncharted is literally a Tomb Raider clone, and Tomb Raider was obnoxious already. Horizon is the least awful of them gameplay-wise, with the machine takedowns being an interesting idea, but literally everything else in the game is generic open world slop like Ubisoft towers and base clearing with generic human enemies. All of those games are carried by their cinematics, take the cinematics away and you're left with bland games that are mediocre at best. Hence, "games for people who don't like games", because the actual game portion of them is the worst part.


At least outside of cutscenes MSG5 has pretty good open-ended sandbox missions that you can tackle in a multitude of different ways. Not my favorite game, but you can see effort went into the gameplay portion of it.


Unlike you, none of my examples of bad gameplay revolve around a completely ridiculous exaggeration.
But yes, Souls games and Elden Ring in particular are masterpieces build around excellent gameplay mechanics. So were Zelda BOTW and TOTK. So was Baldur's Gate 3. So was Shadow of the Colossus. And I haven't played it myself, but as it seems from the reception, so is Astro Bot. None of those games can be turned into movies without losing all the appeal of playing them. Unlike Sony slop, which you can make into a movie and end up with a product that is actually better than the game that originated it.

Most if not all the games you talk **** about here, literally scores top reviews.

Maybe its just you... LMAO

 

[poshflamingos]

Again, I don't judge your opinion on certain games or their mechanics

I'm not speaking from opinion. If it were just my opinion, I would be saying the same thing about games/genres I don't like. I hate platformers, but that doesn't stop me from seeing that Mario Odyssey and Astro Bot are incredible, high quality games, even though I don't personally enjoy them.

Well, TLOU on higher difficulties it's really challenging. I've played it for hours and skipped the cinematics (because I knew the story already). So, there's no problem playing without cinematics and really be engaged into it.

Like I said, you can like TLOU, the same way I like cheap yellow mustard. Doesn't stop TLOU and cheap yellow mustard from being what they are.

But skip the cinematics in Souls

What cinematics? lmao
The 1-minute intro cinematic that is just cryptic nonsense you won't understand unless you go to youtube and have vaatividya explain the lore to you? The 5-second boss intros that like 10% of the game's bosses get? Or maybe you're talking about the the cinematic in Shadow of the Erdtree where you just watch water being drained from the shadow keep church district for 10 seconds?
If you remove the cinematics from a souls game, you lose a fraction of a percent of the game that is irrelevant regardless. And frankly, I would prefer if you indeed removed them. The last thing I want to do in a souls game is watch cinematics.

 

[Felusy]

I'm not speaking from opinion. If it were just my opinion, I would be saying the same thing about games/genres I don't like. I hate platformers, but that doesn't stop me from seeing that Mario Odyssey and Astro Bot are incredible, high quality games, even though I don't personally enjoy them.


Like I said, you can like TLOU, the same way I like cheap yellow mustard. Doesn't stop TLOU and cheap yellow mustard from being what they are.


What cinematics? lmao
The 1-minute intro cinematic that is just cryptic nonsense you won't understand unless you go to youtube and have vaatividya explain the lore to you? The 5-second boss intros that like 10% of the game's bosses get? Or maybe you're talking about the the cinematic in Shadow of the Erdtree where you just watch water being drained from the shadow keep church district for 10 seconds?
If you remove the cinematics from a souls game, you lose a fraction of a percent of the game that is irrelevant regardless. And frankly, I would prefer if you indeed removed them. The last thing I want to do in a souls game is watch cinematics.

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Again, maybe its just you

If you think TLOU is all cinematics, no gameplay, then you have not played the games but sure, you can lie and say you have.

TLOU1 was better than TLOU2 tho.

I like TLOU and I liked Elden Ring with 500+ hours across several chars with every archievement and ending seen + PVP domination

To me it sounds like you have no immersion in games. You probably skip all cutscenes as well. I've been there but got smarter and immersion increased tenfold.

 

[emmzo]

I'm not speaking from opinion. If it were just my opinion, I would be saying the same thing about games/genres I don't like. I hate platformers, but that doesn't stop me from seeing that Mario Odyssey and Astro Bot are incredible, high quality games, even though I don't personally enjoy them.


Like I said, you can like TLOU, the same way I like cheap yellow mustard. Doesn't stop TLOU and cheap yellow mustard from being what they are.


What cinematics? lmao
The 1-minute intro cinematic that is just cryptic nonsense you won't understand unless you go to youtube and have vaatividya explain the lore to you? The 5-second boss intros that like 10% of the game's bosses get? Or maybe you're talking about the the cinematic in Shadow of the Erdtree where you just watch water being drained from the shadow keep church district for 10 seconds?
If you remove the cinematics from a souls game, you lose a fraction of a percent of the game that is irrelevant regardless. And frankly, I would prefer if you indeed removed them. The last thing I want to do in a souls game is watch cinematics.

So, it's not your personal opinion, it's the general opinion and yet it is selective. You disregard TLOU or GoW great reviews as cheap mustard. But not for your favorite games, no. I can also say, Souls (any of them) are tediously repetitive and boring: roll, hit, block from different angles. I couldn't care less, but a lot of people love it. I can't call those people lame, just because I don't like it. You don't like cinematics at all, great! There's games that make cinematics a part of the experience, there's games that don't need that. Because some are driven more by a story and some are more sand boxy. It's not an argument that because you prefer a certain genre, all others are not really games.

 

[mountains]

”My favorite game is better than your favorite game”, ”your favorite game is just a slop of poo”, ”my favorite game is the best game ever made”, ”ofcourse my system runs this game better than yours, my brand of system is always better than your brand”

Just listen to yourself guys…

I stepped into this thread late. Some of the comments were entertaining. I will not make fun of anyone here as I have too much respect for y'all.

@MasterAce:
I literally LOLed hard at your comment! You left out, "If you don't agree that my favorite brand is better than your favorite brand you are a fanboy"! Surely we can all see the humor in that!

Speaking for myself, if a game requires me to log into another account to play it if I purchase it on Steam, I will not buy it. Too much data collecting and unnecessary complication. I appreciate that modders, the real heroes of the gaming world, created a workaround, but we have to vote with our wallets and not reward this practice. In a commercial landscape that tries to limit user voice and control, stand up for yourself and others!

Honestly, I still don't even appreciate having to log into Steam in the first place.

 

[poshflamingos]

I can't call those people lame, just because I don't like it.

You're somehow still trying to portray this as me saying "the games I like are good, the games I don't like aren't", even though I have given multiple examples of the opposite throughout this discussion. There are games that I like that are masterpieces (Breath of the Wild), there are games that I don't like that are masterpieces (Mario Odyssey), there are games that I like that are cheap mustard (Skyrim), and there are games that I don't like that are cheap mustard (The Last of Us). Games being high quality have nothing whatsoever to do with whether I like them, there are great games I don't like and there are slop games I do like. That is the whole point of the mustard analogy.
I'm not gonna argue with someone who tells me yellow mustard is bad, just like I won't argue against someone who tells me that Skyrim is slop. Because someone telling me those things is right. I'm fully aware that the slop I like is slop. That's the self-awareness that you don't have.

There's games that make cinematics a part of the experience

Again, cinematics are the antithesis of a game. If you're not using your controller to interact with it, it's not a game. Games in which the value is mostly within the non-interactive cinematics while having mediocre gameplay systems are games made for people who don't like games. I don't understand why you have so much trouble comprehending that.

 

[emmzo]

You're somehow still trying to portray this as me saying "the games I like are good, the games I don't like aren't", even though I have given multiple examples of the opposite throughout this discussion. There are games that I like that are masterpieces (Breath of the Wild), there are games that I don't like that are masterpieces (Mario Odyssey), there are games that I like that are cheap mustard (Skyrim), and there are games that I don't like that are cheap mustard (The Last of Us). Games being high quality have nothing whatsoever to do with whether I like them, there are great games I don't like and there are slop games I do like. That is the whole point of the mustard analogy.
I'm not gonna argue with someone who tells me yellow mustard is bad, just like I won't argue against someone who tells me that Skyrim is slop. Because someone telling me those things is right. I'm fully aware that the slop I like is slop. That's the self-awareness that you don't have.


Again, cinematics are the antithesis of a game. If you're not using your controller to interact with it, it's not a game. Games in which the value is mostly within the non-interactive cinematics while having mediocre gameplay systems are games made for people who don't like games. I don't understand why you have so much trouble comprehending that.

I think you have difficulties in understanding how a game is structured or what is the definition of a game. If you don't interact with it, it's not a game, yes, except you contradict yourself, because you do interact in all of the games you have mentioned. "I can't play through cinematics, meeh, this is not a game". Cinematics are the antithesis of a game... Hilarious! Splitting hairs just to have a point. They are part of the game and they enhance the game, especially those who rely on a heavy narrative. And this is since the golden age of Sierra games, where they couldn't do cinematics, but inserted some transition screens. As for your subjective stance on how gameplay sucks in TLOU it's just that, subjective. I bet you haven't even played the game, but you heard it's a lot of cutscenes and your attention deficit couldn't handle it. Whatever, agree to disagree, peace out!

 

[Nobina]

30 fps gamer? The game literally runs like crap on most AMD cards in comparison to Nvidia cards. Also DLSS/DLAA is the superior upscaling and AA.

DLAA beats native with ease. TAA is garbage compared to DLAA. Techpowerup tested this.
DLSS beats FSR with ease. Also DLSS 3 FG beats FSR FG with ease as well.

Nothing new really. And the reason I left AMD GPU behind. AMD is years behind on features and left high-end GPU market for a reason.

AMD makes decent CPUs, but their GPUs are pretty much worse than ever.

Nvidia's grasp of desktop GPU market balloons to 88% — AMD has just 12%, Intel negligible, says JPR

The discrete GPU industry is returning to seasonality.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD has zero focus on gaming GPUs right now. They chase AI marketshare, but its a lost battle.

AMD is a CPU company first, GPU second. They will never beat Nvidia and Nvidia has 100 times the R&D funds.

They even dropped the ball in the CPU market with Zen 5. Cheaped out and went with 5nm again, same 7nm IO die.

I don't have drops below 60, usually it's quite above that. I very much don't care about the rest.

 

[Puiu]

Cinematics are the literal opposite of a game. Something that is not interactive cannot be a game. The more something relies on cinematics, the less of a game it is.
This isn't exclusive to Sony either. It's the exact same reason Final Fantasy 16 is an awful game.

A game is the sum of all of its parts and this includes the cinematics.

FYI the vast majority love FF16. They just don't consider it to be the best FF.

 

[poshflamingos]

FYI the vast majority love FF16.

The majority absolutely does not love FF16, it's by far the most controversial and divisive Final Fantasy title to date, something you can immediately see on any reddit comment section about the game, for example. The people who like it are the same kind of people who like the aforementioned cinematic slop, but long-time fans of Final Fantasy were largely turned-off by the fact that it plays nothing like Final Fantasy (rather, it's literally a Devil May Cry clone); and its RPG systems that are extremely, comically shallow, with equipment for example being reduced to one single number where "bigger number = better". It is easily the worst mainline Final Fantasy to date, at least to the series fans that have the base expectation that Final Fantasy = JRPG. FF16 isn't an RPG at all.

Now, Now, all this squabbling. The two of you deserve a jolly good spanking on your bare bottoms!!

I'll never understand people who come to a public forum made specifically for people to discuss things, and complain that the people in there are discussing things. Perhaps try not coming to public forums if you don't like seeing discussions.

 

[LimyG]

The majority absolutely does not love FF16, it's by far the most controversial and divisive Final Fantasy title to date, something you can immediately see on any reddit comment section about the game, for example. The people who like it are the same kind of people who like the aforementioned cinematic slop, but long-time fans of Final Fantasy were largely turned-off by the fact that it plays nothing like Final Fantasy (rather, it's literally a Devil May Cry clone); and its RPG systems that are extremely, comically shallow, with equipment for example being reduced to one single number where "bigger number = better". It is easily the worst mainline Final Fantasy to date, at least to the series fans that have the base expectation that Final Fantasy = JRPG. FF16 isn't an RPG at all.


I'll never understand people who come to a public forum made specifically for people to discuss things, and complain that the people in there are discussing things. Perhaps try not coming to public forums if you don't like seeing discussions.

My point exactly.

 

[Puiu]

The majority absolutely does not love FF16, it's by far the most controversial and divisive Final Fantasy title to date, something you can immediately see on any reddit comment section about the game, for example. The people who like it are the same kind of people who like the aforementioned cinematic slop, but long-time fans of Final Fantasy were largely turned-off by the fact that it plays nothing like Final Fantasy (rather, it's literally a Devil May Cry clone); and its RPG systems that are extremely, comically shallow, with equipment for example being reduced to one single number where "bigger number = better". It is easily the worst mainline Final Fantasy to date, at least to the series fans that have the base expectation that Final Fantasy = JRPG. FF16 isn't an RPG at all.


I'll never understand people who come to a public forum made specifically for people to discuss things, and complain that the people in there are discussing things. Perhaps try not coming to public forums if you don't like seeing discussions.

Seriously.. all you have to do is look at the user reviews if you think I'm lying. The game is really good, it's just not the 10/10 that some were hoping for.

 

[poshflamingos]

Seriously.. all you have to do is look at the user reviews if you think I'm lying. The game is really good, it's just not the 10/10 that some were hoping for.

The game is absolutely not "really good" to anyone who expected a Final Fantasy game. It plays nothing like Final Fantasy, it makes zero sense for it to be a mainline title in the franchise.
It's also sitting at 76% user score on Steam, above only FF13. And again, read what people are talking about it in discussion forums and reddit. The people who liked it are not people who like Final Fantasy or JRPGs at all. Because it literally isn't a JRPG.
But yeah, for the same public that enjoys cinematic slop like God of War and Uncharted, FF16 is probably great, it's literally 50% cutscenes and an uninspired DMC-clone-but-worse combat system that doesn't challenge you in any way.

 

[Felusy]

The game is absolutely not "really good" to anyone who expected a Final Fantasy game. It plays nothing like Final Fantasy, it makes zero sense for it to be a mainline title in the franchise.
It's also sitting at 76% user score on Steam, above only FF13. And again, read what people are talking about it in discussion forums and reddit. The people who liked it are not people who like Final Fantasy or JRPGs at all. Because it literally isn't a JRPG.
But yeah, for the same public that enjoys cinematic slop like God of War and Uncharted, FF16 is probably great, it's literally 50% cutscenes and an uninspired DMC-clone-but-worse combat system that doesn't challenge you in any way.

If its not a JRPG there is a chance I might like it. Will give the demo a try. Thanks.

 

[Puiu]

The game is absolutely not "really good" to anyone who expected a Final Fantasy game. It plays nothing like Final Fantasy, it makes zero sense for it to be a mainline title in the franchise.
It's also sitting at 76% user score on Steam, above only FF13. And again, read what people are talking about it in discussion forums and reddit. The people who liked it are not people who like Final Fantasy or JRPGs at all. Because it literally isn't a JRPG.
But yeah, for the same public that enjoys cinematic slop like God of War and Uncharted, FF16 is probably great, it's literally 50% cutscenes and an uninspired DMC-clone-but-worse combat system that doesn't challenge you in any way.

Thank you for proving me right and that the game has positive reviews. And I did read what people are saying. It still doesn't make it a bad game, not even close.

Here are the first few negative reviews from steam I see:
1 says he didn't like the guys kissing
1 says it was mid
5 say they like the game but performance isn't good.

this is pretty much the ratio of negative reviews if you scroll down. and I perfectly understand that performance is a major issue right now for people. it's why the game sits at 76% on steam even though it's much better received on consoles with metacritic sitting at 8.4 user score (I don't trust the "review" score on metacritic, but user score is usually good).