Moore's Law isn't dead according to AMD, but it has changed

[Jack77]

Wafer costs have gone up but relative to size if the chip, the silicon chip doesn't actually cost that much on a bill of materials.

Indeed, a 25% price hike on a $50 chip does not justify several hundreds extra for a card.

 

[Red34jfp]

Well Mr.Bear, if you think this article was a "sh!tpost", it seems to me more likely you simply forgot to light a match when you farted in the bathroom.

The x30 Nvidia series cards have always been serviceable cards, for the purpose for which they were intended. Which BTW, isn't to make you king of the hill in a pro gamers contest.

The GT-1630 is more capable than the GT-1030, which of course you'd likely consider beneath your dignity as well. It also introduces 4 GB of GDDR6 It's utility could be as a mild hardware accelerator for photo editing, low res gaming, (Agreed it's not a "console killer"), and a workaday card to "take a load off", an older IGP.

The price at present is outrageous. However I saw them at Newegg @ $150. so they may come down as volume sales increase. (That's a big "maybe", though). The GT-1030, at the end of its run went for about $100.

Were you to need a card for those purposes today, you would be better out buying one of AMD's lower end cards which are being blown out ATM. But, make up your mind quickly, I doubt they'll be around forever.

Still, the GT-1630 is not a bad card, nor the article a "sh!tpost".

The problem isn't whether it's a bad card, of course it is a bad card, the problem is nitpicking a single example of genuinely terrible card and ironising about the "usually good products" that Nvidia makes. This sets a terrible tone for the rest of the article, which keeps nitpicking at Nvidia's issues while neglecting, for instance, that AMD has also significantly raised prices this generation, even if not much as Nvidia's (not having Nvidia's market share being the likely reason, not charity or good will). And for that matter it conveniently forgets that AMD made semi-pointless GPUs with no generational improvement like the RX 6500XT. Both were belated attempts at milking the crazy GPU market, quite simply.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Jensen Huang was just giving a lame and disingenuous excuse for why he wants to personally bend customers over to.... well, whatever it is that keeps them coming back over and over again.

In the end, it doesn't matter because people are basically stupid and make decisions that are against their own best interests.

I'm actually starting to be interested in just how much abuse that nVidia owners are willing to take from nVidia before they grow a brain and/or a spine. I actually want to see nVidia's next halo card with an MSRP of $3000USD. At this point, they might as well do that because it's clear that there's no shortage of people who will screw themselves just to have a green card.

 

[Ray Holt]

It NEVER was a law, only an observation. Those that keep saying "Law" are ignorant of history.

 

[neeyik]

It NEVER was a law, only an observation. Those that keep saying "Law" are ignorant of history.

I guess Moore himself is somehow ignorant too, given that he's clearly aware that it's not a scientific law but an empirical observation, but still happy to call it 'Moore's Law'.

 

[captaincranky]

The problem isn't whether it's a bad card, of course it is a bad card, the problem is nitpicking a single example of genuinely terrible card and ironising about the "usually good products" that Nvidia makes.

Well, I think we've reached a point of semantic impasse here. I GT-1660 isn't a "terrible"card. It's a mediocre card, with limited utility in the realm of gaming. Being a obvious successor to the GT-730 & GT-1030. it simply doesn't have the punch to be used for gaming, period. So why fools on YouTube insist on reviewing it with gaming demonstrations, I have no clue.

The GT-730 & GT-1030's utility comes as an upgrade to older Intel IGP and probably AMD APUs as well. It could probably offer mild hardware acceleration to photo editing, but not video rendering. I can imagine someone's frustration at trying to render 4K video with it.

What is "terrible", even "horrific", is the price point. Considering the GT-1030 cost about $100., $180. is outright customer abuse.

OK, so the 1630 has 4 GB of Vram, double that of either the 730 or the 1030. Given the $100. price tag of the 1030, and the fact I just bought a 730 for $59, the upper limit for the 1630's price, even adjusted for inflation. the most I'd be willing to pay for the GT-1630 is $130, and not a penny more.

 

[captaincranky]

I guess Moore himself is somehow ignorant too, given that he's clearly aware that it's not a scientific law but an empirical observation, but still happy to call it 'Moore's Law'.

"Moore's Law", has always appeared to be a takeoff on the old story of the vagabond who went into the palace begging for work. He's asked by the prince, "we haven't much money, so what would you take as wages"? To which the vagabond replied, "well your highness, practically nothing. I only ask for a penny a day, doubled each day for a month".

OK, boyz and gurlz, go do some figurin'.

 

[captaincranky]

Jensen Huang was just giving a lame and disingenuous excuse for why he wants to personally bend customers over to.... well, whatever it is that keeps them coming back over and over again.

As someone who watches OTA TV, the amount and frequency of HIV "prep", and "suppression" drug ads, is startling, if not shocking.

In this context, I would have to say the number of people who do relish the idea of being "bent over", is rather common place. One could even consider it a "lifestyle".

 

[Avro Arrow]

As someone who watches OTA TV, the amount and frequency of HIV "prep", and "suppression" drug ads, is startling, if not shocking.

In this context, I would have to say the number of people who do relish the idea of being "bent over", is rather common place. One could even consider it a "lifestyle".

Sure, but seriously, would you want someone like Jensen?!

 

[captaincranky]

Sure, but seriously, would you want someone like Jensen?!

Truth to tell, I would prefer a natural blonde female, whose lineage traces from the Ural or Caucasus region.

So I guess you could say that's a "limp no", to Huang.

Those aforementioned ads have gotten so repulsive, I now not only have to hit the "mute" button, but close my eyes as well.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Truth to tell, I would prefer a natural blonde female, whose lineage traces from the Ural or Caucasus region.

I must admit, you have phenomenal taste in women!

So I guess you could say that's a "limp no", to Huang.

You don't want Jensen's "BIG HUANG"? He'll be so heartbroken..... Well, I guess as long as you keep buying green cards he'll manage to get through the rejection.

Those aforementioned ads have gotten so repulsive, I now no only have to hit the "mute" button, but close my eyes as well.

I never understood why it's considered ok to advertise prescription drugs in the USA. Like, that's just asking for trouble.

 

[human7]

It NEVER was a law, only an observation. Those that keep saying "Law" are ignorant of history.

By definition, a law only ever is an observation (in this context: the economic, scientific, or academic one). Nobody was claiming a legislative mandate or a divine force making it so.

 

[GhostLegion]

I get that you guys are tech journalists but despite the word exemplary seemingly being similar to exempt, saying "While Nvidia graphics cards are usually good products -- the GTX 1630 being an exemplary instance" does not mean that the 1630 is exempt from the previous assertion but rather that the 1630 best symbolizes Nvidia making good products...which it does not. Which even Steve panned the 1630 as a crap product at a crap price. Please revise the text to best reflect your intended message.

 

[captaincranky]

Which even Steve panned the 1630 as a crap product at a crap price. Please revise the text to best reflect your intended message.

Well, I would submit that the GT-1630, IS, likely a good product. It just isn't of any practical use to the majority of TS members who are into gaming, or gamers in general.

The problem comes comes with the price, and the promotion of the card as being suitable for "gaming", which it certainly is not. Unless of course, you're into gaming @720p.

As to price, I can buy Asus "Phoenix Fan", editions of the GT 1030 2 GB all day long for about $95.00.

Now, the GT-1630 comes stock with 4 GB of faster VRAM, (GDDR-6 AFAIK). If we assume that there is some improvement simply due to generational advances, then cost in the extra memory, I'm coming up with a should be selling price of about $125.00, give or take Certainly not the absurdity of $190.00 which retailers are trying to get for it. So, you can spend $190.00, and still likely get a GTX-1050 ti, which will most likely eat it for breakfast. The 1050 for $190.00 is a huge ripoff in and of itself. It should be selling for about $140.00, with maybe $10.00 added on for "inflation".

So, the GT-1630 is, in my judging criteria, (quality of components, potential longevity, functionality within its stated operating parameters), a good card? All things being considered, yes.

Now we come to its functionality, as opposed to its advertised capability. IE "gaming". That's a huge stretch put charitably, a massive distortion of fact in actuality,

The American advertising industry, puts out more propaganda than modern day Russia and Nazi Germany did combined. They use all forms and conventions of opportunistic bullsh!t imaginable. So, advertising is, by it's nature, deceptive, misleading, and opportunistic, without much in the way of boundaries. Machiavelli would be ever so proud of the multi headed monster he helped create.

By the same token, manufactures, through advertising, are taking advantage of the overall and pervasive stupidity of the populace at large. Realistically, you can't get computer components out the door these days, without attaching the term "gaming", to the hype.

All of the makers are playing to what could only be described as, "chronically addictive behavior", in the gaming segment at large.

Once upon a time, when someone with a pretty stock automobile, hung a pair of glass packs on it, we would derisively shout, "it must be fast, listen to all the noise it makes". The same parameters could be attributed to some gaming boxes today. Sic: "It must powerful, look how many flashing lights are on it."

A decade on, I'm sure some enterprising psychologists will institute, "rehab centers for gaming addicts." Will these succeed" Dunno. The first and most difficult thing to do with any addiction, is to convince an addict that he or she actually has a problem. And Good luck with that.

What does any of this have to do with the GT-1630 you ask? Quite patently, everything. If some lard a**ed bimbo, "influencer", on the web can convince her followers that the quality of her makeup brand is predicated on the size of her a**, and be successful at it, then why wouldn't Nvidia be bold enough to employ the same principles to marketing their low end graphics cards? Mezmerize them with a Corvette, then sell them the Chevy they can afford. Show them a 4090, then sell them a 1630. See how that works?

If you believe my syntax, context, word usage, or conceptualization of the issues at hand, are in any way faulty, feel free to drop me a line.

 

[GhostLegion]

Well, I would submit that the GT-1630, IS, likely a good product. It just isn't of any practical use to the majority of TS members who are into gaming, or gamers in general.

The problem comes comes with the price, and the promotion of the card as being suitable for "gaming", which it certainly is not. Unless of course, you're into gaming @720p.

As to price, I can buy Asus "Phoenix Fan", editions of the GT 1030 2 GB all day long for about $95.00.

Now, the GT-1630 comes stock with 4 GB of faster VRAM, (GDDR-6 AFAIK). If we assume that there is some improvement simply due to generational advances, then cost in the extra memory, I'm coming up with a should be selling price of about $125.00, give or take Certainly not the absurdity of $190.00 which retailers are trying to get for it. So, you can spend $190.00, and still likely get a GTX-1050 ti, which will most likely eat it for breakfast. The 1050 for $190.00 is a huge ripoff in and of itself. It should be selling for about $140.00, with maybe $10.00 added on for "inflation".

So, the GT-1630 is, in my judging criteria, (quality of components, potential longevity, functionality within its stated operating parameters), a good card? All things being considered, yes.

Now we come to its functionality, as opposed to its advertised capability. IE "gaming". That's a huge stretch put charitably, a massive distortion of fact in actuality,

The American advertising industry, puts out more propaganda than modern day Russia and Nazi Germany did combined. They use all forms and conventions of opportunistic bullsh!t imaginable. So, advertising is, by it's nature, deceptive, misleading, and opportunistic, without much in the way of boundaries. Machiavelli would be ever so proud of the multi headed monster he helped create.

By the same token, manufactures, through advertising, are taking advantage of the overall and pervasive stupidity of the populace at large. Realistically, you can't get computer components out the door these days, without attaching the term "gaming", to the hype.

All of the makers are playing to what could only be described as, "chronically addictive behavior", in the gaming segment at large.

Once upon a time, when someone with a pretty stock automobile, hung a pair of glass packs on it, we would derisively shout, "it must be fast, listen to all the noise it makes". The same parameters could be attributed to some gaming boxes today. Sic: "It must powerful, look how many flashing lights are on it."

A decade on, I'm sure some enterprising psychologists will institute, "rehab centers for gaming addicts." Will these succeed" Dunno. The first and most difficult thing to do with any addiction, is to convince an addict that he or she actually has a problem. And Good luck with that.

What does any of this have to do with the GT-1630 you ask? Quite patently, everything. If some lard a**ed bimbo, "influencer", on the web can convince her followers that the quality of her makeup brand is predicated on the size of her a**, and be successful at it, then why wouldn't Nvidia be bold enough to employ the same principles to marketing their low end graphics cards? Mezmerize them with a Corvette, then sell them the Chevy they can afford. Show them a 4090, then sell them a 1630. See how that works?

If you believe my syntax, context, word usage, or conceptualization of the issues at hand, are in any way faulty, feel free to drop me a line.

Wow, this essay is staggering to behold. I did read it too. The 1630 still sucks. It is a product in search of a market and manages to fail there too. The 1650(minus the power connector) is a decent product for the kind of systems that lack external power and can use a GPU. Like HTPC or second-hand business liquidation. Bonus if you manage to find a low profile version (which I did but it costs an absurd $220). It isn't that I'm elitest, I was correcting an actual grammar issue that conflicts with what the author intended.