Motherboard and CPU choice

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Yeah as I said in my first reply go with the ABIT NF7-S, it offers the best overclocking platform on the market I own it and would not give it up for the world, the only drawback to the abit is it does not support agp pro wich could be a downside if you like ATI.
That is the reason I think my counterparts here are reccomending that Asus board cause the asus i believe supports agp pro.....Both are good
 
AnandTech ...

AGP Pro is an extension of the AGP4X specification that is primarily designed to deliver additional electrical power to the graphics add-in cards. The AGP Pro definition includes an extended connector, thermal envelope, and mechanical specifications for cards, I/O brackets, and motherboard layout requirements. It is designed for professional level video cards, such as the Intergraph/3Dlabs Wildcat 4220.
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Not much use for most of us here then. :)
 
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Originally posted by ---agissi---
haha everyone says it does and considering you dont even own the board I'll go with Nic ;)

Red:

First off listen to JimShady.

Second, you did have OLD video card listed there. Save your self tons of bucks, get a Barton 2500+, which is half the price of a 2.66P4, will perform just as well, and get yourself a 9600PRO or XT. Pile that with a Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard, or a Non-Deluxe to save yourself yet another $40.

If your willing to get even better performance, when you make the PC, take your Barton 2500, get some conductive ink, and just dab it on the end of a tooth pick. Now run that along the 5th L3 Bridge. Your CPU is now unlcoked. That simple. I can give you a link if you want, which includes a pic. Buy a SLK900 for $30, get a silent 80mm fan for $10, throw that on top of your CPU and vulla, you could up your 2500+ to 3200+ speeds, it will be totally cool, and SILENT ;) So that could give you a 3200+ CPU for $110 (essentially, its 80+30 for cooling), with a 9600PRO

Or

Get a P4 2.66, with a 9200SE (<--crappist, it goes SE,PRO,XT).

Yeah, AMD is the way to go :D
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Where have you been dude? I have an NF7-S...
 
i have an Epox EP-8RDA3+. it was cheap and i never had to unlock my barton. and i think it ranks up there with the abit and asus boards. i have yet to have a problem.
 
I dont know what that epox board is going for now but you can get the abit nf7-s for about $60-80us if you look around enough. And yes the Expox you metioned is a good board and is really quick
 
Anyone care to talk tech with me ? IM always on Yahoo messanger.....JimShady23_z is my sn. I love a good conversation so drop me a line. And yeah everyone basically makes a good mobo now a days, but there are a select few that have just that certain option that makes them popular.....Like unlocking your cpu's multiplier without conductive ink....Right Wicka :) ?
 
I haven't visited this cite for about 10 days and I see there have been many replied to my questions. I thank you all. I can always count on tech-spot! :)

To JimShady23: Thank you, and I haven't decided on Hard drives, power supply, CPU fans, and others. I hoped to have someone build my system by the end of 2003, but I think this is going to take a lot longer since I am dragging on my decisions on components. May be I should have you build my new system.:D Also, I will be using some of my current PC components when I build a new one.

To Agissi: Thank you, and I don't know what conductive Ink and 5th L3 bridge are. Do I need to know these at this point? It never hurts to learn something new, but are they just going to confuse me?

To all: thank, and I will be reading every single reply you have given me and getting back to you soon or later. Eventually! :)
 
Continued from the previous reply...

To Red: Talk about stealing the thread! :D
To Nic: Explain the Law of Diminishing returns.
 
Read the first 2 replies. This is reply No.3!
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To CaddyShack, I mean JimShady23:
You mentioned that AGP pro doesn't work on Abit NF7-S rev.2. Then would ATI Sapphire 7500 AGP work on the Abit board? I am stuck with that video card for now.

Also, "AVI to VCD through Nero?"

Answer: Wait, I guess Nic has just answered my question to JimShady23 about AGP pro.
AGP Pro is an extension of the AGP4X specification that is primarily designed to deliver additional electrical power to the graphics add-in cards. The AGP Pro definition includes an extended connector, thermal envelope, and mechanical specifications for cards, I/O brackets, and motherboard layout requirements. It is designed for professional level video cards, such as the Intergraph/3Dlabs Wildcat 4220. Not much use for most of us here then.
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To Nic:
Second item that works against us is AMD's new packaging they've begun implementing. It will be near impossible to modify the CPU, and our methods here will almost certainly not work. Right now I cannot say if nForce 2 mobos still unlock these chips, but when we learn more, we'll pass the info to you.
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So, What have you found out?
 
the newer P4's IMO are better overclockers than the newer Bartons. these newer Bartons are multiplier locked but they cannot be unlocked (even with a mobo capable of unlocking the multiplier. plus the chip is laminated as well. i am glad i got my Barton 2500+ before AMD started making it even more difficult to overclock. the P4 "c" cpus can go ridiculously high when overclocking. also you can get massive fsb (even with air cooling).

the problem with P4 systems are that they are more expensive than a comparable Athlon XP system. the cost for the cpu, motherboard, and performance ram (PC3500 and higher) needed to overclock pretty far on a P4 would cost more than an AMD system (probably only need performance PC3200 at max for OC).

for the value, Athlon XP's beat out P4's for most people. if you are trying to OC, however, P4's (although more expensive) may be better than the latest batches of Bartons (which have superlocked multipliers). if you get a Barton chip, just hope you do not get the recent batches.
 
Originally posted by Investors
To Nic:

So, What have you found out?
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I think BrownPaper has summed things up pretty well. There are a mixture of AMD chips on the marked (some unlocked, some locked, and some super-locked).

If you've got the cash, then the P4 is faster, but you need very fast RAM if you want to OC these as their multipliers are also locked, so you have to raise the fsb, which if you wish to keep the fsb and memory buses synchronous (for best performance), requires very fast memory modules (more so for the lower clocked P4c@2.4GHz, than the higher clocked P4c@2.8GHz, etc.).

If you do go for an Athlon XP, then get the 2600+ Barton model, as you can raise the fsb to 200 (remember to use PC3200 DIMMs) and the multiplier, which is factory set at 11.5x, will give you an easily achievable healthy OC of 2.3GHz (an Athlon XP 3200+ only runs at 2.2GHz). You'll need to raise Vcore to around 1.75v to run stable.

That trick will work even with a super-locked AMD chip, as all you are doing is raising the fsb (as with the P4), which is independent of any locked multipliers. You'll have a fast CPU for a very low price (the 2600+ Barton is only slightly more expensive than the 2500+ Barton).
 
I have heard that even on "Super Locked" AMD cpu's with a laminated top with NOOOOO access to the L1-L2 bridges I have heard that the Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 still unlocks the multi. However I am not positive just relaying what I have heard from other forums and trends here were the new "super locked" cpu's with the laminated tops were in question. So I think you will be alright just as long as you go with the Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 for sure.

As for the AGP Pro question.......The ATI cards labled "PRO" have a different kind of AGP connection on them from what I have seen from standard 8x card. I will post some links below.....I am again not 100% positive that PRO means you need to have a Pro AGP slot but that would be my best guess. Why else would the interface on the card look differant ? But I never did any research on the subject cause I dont use ATI products......yet ! ;)

if there is anyone that can confirm that ATI PRO and XT cards will work with just a standard 8x AGP slot and not a "AGP Pro" slot please let both of us know


As you can see on this 9800 XT the first AGP interface is a lot differant than the standard....this is were I drew my conclution.....
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage...19-03.JPG/14-125-119-07.JPG/14-125-119-01.JPG

This here on a Geforce FX 5950 Ulta is the standard AGP 8x interface. http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage...08-03.JPG/14-127-108-02.JPG/14-127-108-01.JPG


Both of these are todays elite video cards....
 
Originally posted by JimShady23
I have heard that even on "Super Locked" AMD cpu's with a laminated top with NOOOOO access to the L1-L2 bridges I have heard that the Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 still unlocks the multi.
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There are both *locked* and *super-locked* versions with laminated tops. Only the *super-locked* versions cannot be unlocked with NF7-S v2.0 mainboard. The *super-locked* versions apparently have the bridges disconnected internally, so they are completely unlockable. I haven't seen any of these yet, but I do have one of the *locked* chips with laminated tops, and my NF7-S v2.0 does unlock that chip.
 
To JimShady23: Thank you, and I haven't decided on Hard drives, power supply, CPU fans, and others. I hoped to have someone build my system by the end of 2003, but I think this is going to take a lot longer since I am dragging on my decisions on components. May be I should have you build my new system. Also, I will be using some of my current PC components when I build a new one.

To Agissi: Thank you, and I don't know what conductive Ink and 5th L3 bridge are. Do I need to know these at this point? It never hurts to learn something new, but are they just going to confuse me?

To Red: Talk about stealing the thread!
To Nic: Explain the Law of Diminishing returns.
 
Lol Investors, I can build you one off of NewEgg as I'm sure Jim can do also. I've already configured two computers.

I have a system configured for my bro that's $750 w/monitor, cpu, mobo, gfx, cd-rom, and case.

Subtract the video card (9600XT) and monitor ($100), you get a $500 computer that can run anything pretty decently.
 
An interesting reply, I was kind of being silly :), but, yeah, this is taking to god damn long.

For one month period, I was able to decide on the following components:
CPU: Barton 2500+
Motherboard: Abit NF7-S Rev.2
and now still in the stage of deciding RAM:
Choice1: Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200-Retail ($131.00)
Choice2: Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200-OEM ($112.00)
Choice3: Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200C2PT-OEM ($108.50)

Still reading about those suckers! Seems like this will be forever!
 
and the ram choice list, at first, was like 11. I have narrowed down to the final 3, just like "Joe Millionarie" and "the next Joe Millionaire." I thought I edited my location: IL. Guess I will add that.
 
Well dude

**** I will come to your house and do this....IM me on yahoo messanger so we can talk about memory a lil more directly without the wait

my id is jimshady23_z DO IT NOW !!! LOL
 
WOW, you guys are serious. :D Okay. I will contact you, but first, I'd like finish reading about Low Latency Corsair RAM. I approach everything with .... too much wait! can be good and bad.
 
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