motherboard or video card?

[compres]

Compress,
How can you say a RAID 0 set of Raptors barely out perfroms a single raptor? if you are comparing the 36gb raptors to the new 150 gb raptor then there is a difference, because they ARE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES. If you think there is no performance increase in RAID 0 then you are grosely misinformed. Please prove me wrong and post your links to where I can view a RAID 0 being outperformed by a single hard drive of the same specs, k thanks.

Your wish: my command

link:
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2101&p=10

Remember, we are talking about people who are die hard performance freaks. These people want the extra FPS. If you sit here and try to tell me that lag issues are solely a server side or internet connection thing and that FPS only depends on your video card then again, IMO you are misinformed. I see the benefits of RAID 0 every day when I get home and jump on my computer.

I don't recall talking about the internet, servers or anything like that in this thread.

THE OP'S COMPUTER IS A SOCKET 478 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Anything you do to increase access time will be extremely noticeable.

I think he's got a P4c class CPU, which is quite competitve even with the latest P4s. Compared to an AMD system its another story.

Secondly Compres,
The 7800 OC is 300 on newegg, the x800xt is 300. How is the 7800 more costly?

I think it's overpriced. It's my opinion. However, this guys seem to agree with me:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?threadid=169849

@ Socrates, 10 Frames Per Second in a FPS game is huge, maybe not so much in an MMORPG

Lastly,
Every review I have read regarding the7800GTX and below, comparing the equivalent ATI Card, ahs the NVIDIA chip winning. Every single review. That's not to say the NVIDIA is winning every benchmark within the review, it's only saying the NVIDIA chipset is winning the majority of the benchmarks within the review. Often the Nvidia is winning by HUGE amounts in certain benchamrks while lacking slightly in the ones it looses. I'd be reluctant to say the x1900 is faster than the EvGA 7800GTX KO 512 MB as well, which are obtainable as I have two.

you my friend are mistaken, get a clue man:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679&p=12

Here in reality the x1900xtx trounches the gtx512. Facts my friend, and FEAR is a TWIMTBP game.

 

[compres]

The price on a new 7800GS, for any brand, at newegg, is $299! Considering that the 7800GS is the most powerful and up to date card on the market, that is an incredible bargin! Heck, if I had a fast enough processor, I'd pick one up today! An equivelant PCIe card would be at least $350, if not $400. When the latest and greatest is so cheap, why not get it! And when we are talking prices this low, how can you get a card for $150 (you said $150 for 10 fps right) that plays games only a tad slower than the 7800? It's impossible. I know because I have a $150 card, and it certainly doesn't run games nearly as well as the 7800 does. And yes, we are die-hards to the core!

Is this ajoke? Everyone here should go read this discussion, am not going to have a pointless discussion with people who don't inform themselves before the post rubbish like this.

Read:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?threadid=169849

 

[twite]

pcie vs. agp

ok...so i have done some research and this is what i have found...http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1644233&CatId=2023
this is a pcie card and board for the same price as just the card...but i want to know if my p4 3.2 intel proccesor would work on it..and what else i might need to buy if i did make this swtich..also if it is better then my abit ic7-g? would it be worth the switch?thanks

 

[SOcRatEs]

ok...so i have done some research, would it be worth the switch?thanks

Absolutely!!!

Good find :grinthumb

 

[twite]

will my processor work with this board though?

 

[spartanslayer]

COMPRES!

I find your remarks extremely offensive, and you obviously don't know much about this card! I did do research on it! I never give advice without looking it up! Here is an article that smashes your stuff.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/13/nvidias_geforce_7800gs_becomes_a_better_buy/

I trust toms hardware, and they clearly show that it's the best AGP card.

However, that aside.

I definatly agree with switching to PCIe. The 7800GT is a great card, and should run fine. I however do not advise using refurbished hardware. I had a refurbished IBM laptop once. The thing was nothing but trouble! I had to send it back twice, for repairs. It's worth the extra money to get a new card. Trust me!

 

[compres]

Ops spartan, yes I was too offensive, sorry. The one who was just atacking me was s3xynanigoat, not you, lol.

Either way, I think the 7800 GS is overpriced. I'm not going to argue about that again, if you want you can visit the link I provided before for some clues.

 

[spartanslayer]

That's fine. And yeah, I checked the link. I still think $300 is a really good deal though, however since he's switching to PCIe, it doesn't matter anymore. I highly do recomend the 7800GT though.

 

[twite]

ok..

please help me here...can someone tell me if i buy a motherboard that supports pcie will my intel p4 3.2 processor work with it..or will i have to buy a new cpu?

also...my old motherboard is a ic7-g and is a socket 478 and the chipset is i875p

 

[spartanslayer]

I'm pretty sure there arn't any PCIe and socket 478 Mobos. Sorry. You will have to get a new processor. Or, just live with the old one for longer. Good Luck!

 

[s3xynanigoat]

link:

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2101&p=10

Link doesn't work.

I don't recall talking about the internet, servers or anything like that in this thread.

Was more trying to state the role of ALL hardware in FPS/Lag

I think he's got a P4c class CPU, which is quite competitve even with the latest P4s. Compared to an AMD system its another story.

So you disagree or agree that RAID 0 would make a difference in a Socket 478?

you my friend are mistaken, get a clue man:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679&p=12

Here in reality the x1900xtx trounches the gtx512. Facts my friend, and FEAR is a TWIMTBP game.

Maximum PC tells a different story in the Feb. issue.

 

[SOcRatEs]

will my processor work with this board though?

NO, one is 775 and yours is 478.

 

[compres]

link:


Link doesn't work.

That link DOES work.

Was more trying to state the role of ALL hardware in FPS/Lag



So you disagree or agree that RAID 0 would make a difference in a Socket 478?

It will help, just not enough to justify the investment IMO.

Maximum PC tells a different story in the Feb. issue.

All other reviews I've seen agree with the results from Anand Tech. I am not going to find every single review for you.

 

[compres]

Well, as I always say, it's just my opinion. However, from your own supplied link:

Conclusion

I noticed no change in load up times across the board in the games (except for Far Cry). Stipe size made no real difference in how long it took to load the levels.

As to how Raid-0 stacks up against a single Raptor, the only difference is in the benchmark scores - other then that, in real world use there is NO REAL IMPROVEMENT in load up times.

 

[compres]

looks like the board messed up my post, here's the link you provided:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1063/index02.asp

Conclusion

I noticed no change in load up times across the board in the games (except for Far Cry). Stipe size made no real difference in how long it took to load the levels.

As to how Raid-0 stacks up against a single Raptor, the only difference is in the benchmark scores - other then that, in real world use there is NO REAL IMPROVEMENT in load up times.

 

[compres]

WTF

my new posts apear as older?

 

[s3xynanigoat]

The link you have provided on RAID 0 deals with off line gaming... The results somewhat bypass what online gamers may be interested in as most multiplayer games out there require intensive HD R/w'ing. However I did ask you to show me a link and you have done this, even if the test's weren't what I was looking for, at no fault of your own since I did not clarify.

I would like to point out to you though that those tests are scored by a computer tech with a stop watch. This may be normal but I still laugh everytime I see it.

Now compres, I offer you the opportunity to read and learn.

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1063/index02.asp

http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/singleLevel0.html

Random Read Performance: Very good; better if using larger stripe sizes if the controller supports independent reads to different disks in the array.

Random Write Performance: Very good; again, best if using a larger stripe size and a controller supporting independent writes.

Sequential Read Performance: Very good to excellent.

Sequential Write Performance: Very good.

Cost: Lowest of all RAID levels.

Special Considerations: Using a RAID 0 array without backing up any changes made to its data at least daily is a loud statement that that data is not important to you.

Recommended Uses: Non-critical data (or data that changes infrequently and is backed up regularly) requiring high speed, particularly write speed, and low cost of implementation. Audio and video streaming and editing; web servers; graphic design; high-end gaming or hobbyist systems; temporary or "scratch" disks on larger machines.

Raid 0 is very debatable on it'sbenefits. I personally feel that i have seen great increases with it. Others disagree with it's benefits which is fine. I could throw 12 links recommending RAID 0 for performance, at the same time I could throw 13 links that don't recommend it. THis does not mean that either are right. Please do not feel like I am "attacking" you, Compres. It's just the nature of arguing a point.

 

[s3xynanigoat]

looks like the board messed up my post, here's the link you provided:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1063/index02.asp

Well, as I always say, it's just my opinion. However, from your own supplied link:

Conclusion

I noticed no change in load up times across the board in the games (except for Far Cry). Stipe size made no real difference in how long it took to load the levels.

As to how Raid-0 stacks up against a single Raptor, the only difference is in the benchmark scores - other then that, in real world use there is NO REAL IMPROVEMENT in load up times.

Question: A + B is equal to X, If A is 14 and X is 9 , what is B?

Answer:

Others disagree with it's benefits which is fine. I could throw 12 links recommending RAID 0 for performance, at the same time I could throw 13 links that don't recommend it.

Not trying to burst your bubble there compres.