Mozilla stands up to U.S. government takedown request

By Jos ยท 22 replies
May 6, 2011
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  1. motrin

    motrin TS Booster Posts: 162   +15

  2. mattfrompa

    mattfrompa TS Evangelist Posts: 553   +57

    For convenience, here is the whole list of questions. Props to Mozilla.

    To help us evaluate the Department of Homeland Security's request to take-down/remove the add-on from Mozilla's websites, can you please provide the following additional information:

    1. Have any courts determined that is unlawful or illegal in any way? If so, on what basis? (Please provide any relevant rulings)

    2. Have any courts determined that the seized domains related to are unlawful, illegal or liable for infringement in any way? (please provide relevant rulings)

    3. Is Mozilla legally obligated to disable the add-on or is this request based on other reasons? If other reasons, can you please specify.

    4. Has DHS, or any copyright owners involved in this matter, taken any legal action against or the seized domains, including DMCA requests?

    5. What protections are in place for or the seized domain owners if eventually a court decides they were not unlawful?

    6. Can you please provide copies of any briefs that accompanied the affidavit considered by the court that issued the relevant seizure orders?

    7. Can you please provide a copy of the relevant seizure order upon which your request to Mozilla to take down is based?

    8. Please identify exactly what the infringements by the owners of the domains consisted of, with reference to the substantive standards of Section 106 and to any case law establishing that the actions of the seized domain owners constituted civil or criminal copyright infringement.

    9. Did any copyright owners furnish affidavits in connection with the domain seizures? Had any copyright owners served DMCA takedown notices on the seized domains or (if so please provide us with a copy)

    10. Has the Government furnished the domain owners with formal notice of the seizures, triggering the time period for a response by the owners? If so, when, and have there been any responses yet by owners?

    11. Has the Government communicated its concerns directly with If so, what response, if any, did make?
  3. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,147   +915

    Respect to Mozilla for this, Whats great is that they have asked completely legit questions and not just blindly gone headed with it.

    2 weeks later and they have still not replied, Somehow, I feel they might never reply...
  4. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,735   +3,706

    Somehow I feel those questions should be answered, before another website is allowed to be taken down.
  5. TorturedChaos

    TorturedChaos TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 839   +29

    I agree completely.

    And all this has put MAFIAAFire in the news(I hadn't actually heard of the add-on until now). So if...err when more sites are taken down hopefully people can continue to use MAFIAAFire to find them still.
  6. If they would of never had that take down request I'm sure that add on would of never made the news or gotten much traction...but now that it has...Everyone will be installing it...including myself. When will they ever learn..its better to let a few then to inform the
  7. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    Yeah, I would much rather work for Mozilla than Google. It just seems like the only sane, good tech company. (Not to mention is non-profit)
  8. Good job Mozilla! Also nice addon, I just installed it. Thanks to the Department of Homeland Security for bringing this addon to my attention and to the attention of the everyone else. I'm sure it will become very popular now! More sites will take notice and add their site's to the list. :)
  9. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +50

    Way to go Mozilla, stand your ground Mozilla and keep sticking it to "big brother"!
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,026   +2,557

    Is it true that "California" is a contraction of the Spanish word, "caliente", (meaning hot), and "fornication" (meaning, well you know)? I guess what I'm asking is, does "California mean", "land of hot sex"?

    Moving along, why is the US government "Big Brother" sometimes, yet the freest on earth when discussing any other country. A paradox, wouldn't ya say?

    I still think you should stop buying EA games, period. That would go a long way toward building character in EA, and its customers. "Grow together" that's what I say.
  11. Relic

    Relic TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,379   +16

    Props to Mozilla, makes me happy to be one of your users.

    You should check out the show Californication ;) .
  12. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +96

    It isn't really a paradox, what else do you expect from people who are elected by the money of 'parties who are least interested in democracy'? Secondly, it tries to behave just as an imperial regime will, i.e. try to force others to accept their values (+hegemony), although the real conundrum here is, this same imperial thinking of the regime doesn't believe that they (democracy in truest terms) needs to be practiced at home as well, and people are hardly bothered about it.

    I think Mozilla need lots of support for what it did, and probably others in the industry need to follow in their footsteps.
  13. Benny26

    Benny26 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,535   +51

    I'll take my hat off to Mozilla for doing this...
  14. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +50

    Umm.....yeah it does buddy, nice hot California beach, hot sand, warm air, cool ocean waters and hot sex on the beach! I engaged in this type of activity many times and it makes me proud to live in such a sexed up state.

    You want me to stop buying EA games? I don't think I've purchased an EA game in about 2-3 years, so as far as that's concerned......"got it covered"!
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,026   +2,557

    I've seen a few episodes, interesting stuff. I suppose you could say that David Duchovny went from the "X Files",to the "Triple X Files". It's either a logical progression or high irony, depending on how you look at it. Or, I suppose you could say that he went from studying "outer space", to invading "inner space".

    Ya know, I'm not exactly sure how I managed to go off on that tangent in this thread. But I have to say, your boycott is commendable. Now if the rest of the "injured parties", would do the same, maybe you could change this outcome.

    EA games are not exactly software that is needed to earn a living. I get really sick of listening to a bunch of whiny children, that think they're entitled to have their cake and eat it to.

    Fact is, I've said over and over, that as soon as companies get you hooked on streaming media, they'll pull the plug on physical media. They have more control over it, period. More DRM, boo hoo.

    And yet, we get the "select breed" of individual passing through here spouting BS to the tune of, "I'm too important to waste time going to Redbox", I have really fast internet so I just stream everything". Yeah, some ISP'll pump crap movies loaded with DRM to your computer in a big, big, hurry. Oh, do you read about the bandwidth caps going into force? F***ed you twice, didn't they? And without so much as a wet kiss.

    To get back on topic, go Mozilla, go Firefox. Firefox will be my browser for life. And as for the crew that swears by Chrome because "it's faster that Firefox", I have this: "and it's installed with "Google Update" isn't it?" Mercifully, that's one piece of spyware that's not too difficult to remove".
  16. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +50

    Bandwidth caps? I vaguely remember hearing something about this about a year ago, thought it just my friends giving me "bucket talk". I think there should be an official thread started about this, so we can all chime in. I don't want this current topic area to deviate to much.

    Caps = There Goes The Planet!
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,026   +2,557

  18. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +50

    Thanks for the link Captain, and no I wasn't meaning me and my buddies heard anything official a year ago about caps, it was just something that at the time we were just speculating on. It was one of those "the government is taking everything over, I guess Internet speed will be next" conversations.

    I hope this does not become a reality, the Internet both speeds and subject matter is kind of one of the last frontiers, I like it as it is, it doesn't need to be controlled by "big brother", thought you'd like to hear that quote again! :p
  19. Another question I'd like to raise is more philosophical from a natural law perspective. Should Copyright be considered personal property in the first place? Does the government have the right to steal your physical property (domain name) that you homesteaded and bought first because somebody else claims that they've used the word combination before?

    Anyway, thank you Firefox.
  20. I would totally pay for anything Mozilla now just because they are awesome for standing up!!! If they end up needing legal representation I would gladly pitch in whatever small amount I could afford!!! Go Mo!!!
  21. Thank You Mozilla.You have my total and utter respect.
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,026   +2,557

    Since our guest thread has chosen to necro bump this thread, (from May 5, 2011), has anyone checked to see if the MAFIAfire add on is still available, and is it, as promised, now available for Chrome?

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