MSI CEO says AMD X570 motherboards won't come cheap

[mongeese]

A hot potato: With Zen 2, AMD’s focus has been pushing technologies as far as they can go, introducing PCIe 4.0, 40 lanes per motherboard, and up to 12-core CPUs. According to MSI CEO Charles Chiang, however, that may push X570 motherboards far above the price of equivalent X470 boards.

“You can really expect this motherboard pricing will have a lot of gap between the X470s and 570s," Chiang told Tom’s Hardware. In fact, he expects the prices to comparable to Intel’s high-end Z390 boards.

“If an X570 is compared to our Z390 if the specs are equal and everything, I don't think we are going to price AMD lower. I don't think that's realistic because the cost of the motherboard will be higher, and maybe the pricing of the chipset is higher." Presently, the median price of an X470 motherboard is $180.74 while the median for Z390 boards is $191.99.

PCIe 4.0, in its first iteration, is expensive to produce. Not only does it require faster switches and more hardware to manage the speed increase to 64 GB/s per 16-lane slot, but the power draw more than triples as well. And speaking of power, Chiang says almost every X570 board will require active VRM cooling, partly because the 12-core CPU will draw more power, but also because AMD wants X570 to have premium features marketed to enthusiasts.

“I don't think that AMD is the company that wants to sell low cost here, low cost there."

"Lots of people ask me, what do you think about today's AMD? I say today's AMD is completely different company compared to two, three, five years ago," Chiang said. "They have nice technology and they are there to put the higher spec with the reasonable pricing. But right now, they say, ‘Hey Charles, let's push to marketing to the higher [end]. So, let's sell higher-pricing motherboards, higher-spec motherboards, and let's see what will happen in the market.’”

AMD is also considering charging significantly more for the X570 chipset over previous models, though pricing hasn’t been finalized. Until now, Ryzen chipsets were manufactured by ASMedia, but AMD is producing the X570 entirely themselves.

It appears that AMD is going fully after Intel in the high-end segment, but they better be careful not to price themselves out of the mid-tier market that has been their closest ally since the launch of Ryzen. While X470 boards will continue to be produced as a budget option, X570 will be the only platform with support for PCIe 4.0.

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[Shadowboxer]

I fully expect AMD pricing to go up if their new hardware is as good as they say it is. Because if it is that good, then demand for their hardware will go up and in almost any industry that means higher prices.

Anyway, it’s not as if AMD have been shy of pricing high in the past, I remember the last time they were killing it on the benchmarks with the Athlon64-FX, their prices for those components went into 4 figures. And this was back in the mid 2000’s.

At the same time if demand for Intel goes down and I think it might, at least for their more enthusiast orientated parts. Then they will be forced to cut prices. We may see Intel and AMD swap places here with Intel becoming the budget competitor and AMD assuming Intel’s previous role as performance king, which is a lot more lucrative.

 

[JimEs]

Now someone will say "just get a B450/x470", wich will always limit the max potential you can get out of a Ryzen 3000 cpu and Ram overclocking too, defeating the purpose of an upgrade.

https://www.techspot.com/news/80333-amd-assures-ryzen-3000-perform-equally-across-b450.html

 

[Dimitrios]

Doesn't matter, you will save more money with how future proof this is vs INTEL in the long run.

 

[m3tavision]

I have never met anybody who was afraid to buy a good motherboard...

 

[Evernessince]

And there goes the whole purpose of going AMD instead of Intel.

Now someone will say "just get a B450/x470", wich will always limit the max potential you can get out of a Ryzen 3000 cpu and Ram overclocking too, defeating the purpose of an upgrade.

A good z370 motherboard nowadays costs 130€, and supports 9700k/9900k. As intel doesnt depend that much from ram speeds, 3000mhz is fine, that could be an option. As Steve Burke said, the memory circuit on x470 is completly diffetent from thr circuit on x570.

The memory circuit can already vary in topology depending on what use case the vendor wants to optimize for on previous AMD platforms. In the end though, the BIOS and memory controller on the CPU are the biggest factors for determining max memory speed.

FYI the X570 platform moving to the ultra-high end simply means the B550 platform will take up the space previously occupied by the X470 platform. The B550 will likely cut PCIe 4.0 support (and thus not require a chipset fan) which isn't a feature most people need. It can still overclock just fine, we'll have to wait and see what kind of VRM designs come out. This makes a lot of sense to me as well, not everyone needs to pay more for PCIe 4.0.

 

[emmzo]

Doesn't matter, you will save more money with how future proof this is vs INTEL in the long run.

I don`t get this "futureproof" obsession. In 4-5 years when people usually upgrade to a new processor, you want the newest mobo with the latest tech. Who`s gonna buy Ryzen 3 next year and place it into a 2016 AM4 board?

 

[Dimitrios]

I don`t get this "futureproof" obsession. In 4-5 years when people usually upgrade to a new processor, you want the newest mobo with the latest tech. Who`s gonna buy Ryzen 3 next year and place it into a 2016 AM4 board?

I don't get this " Latest tech" obsession you're talking about. In 4-5 years what new tech will over seed this board that will make a big DIFFERENCE with games? We all know tech is moving waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than software games. Really a high quality board like this with the potential of adding 12 cores, PCI 4.0 & RAM potential that probably won't be mainstream in a long time. By the time this board is a major bottleneck is the time where the bottleneck would probably be the life of the board first lol.

Us poor or cheap people can throw in a cheap CPU like a 4 or 6 core or 8 core and still game for many years once the CPU becomes a bottle neck then throw in a 12 core which by then will be dirt chip. This board is a perfect jump for now and the future.

Next gen console will be 8 Core Ryzen's and we all know that's another 5-8 years of games being milked to run on 8 cores.

 

[Evernessince]

Doesn't matter, you will save more money with how future proof this is vs INTEL in the long run.

I don`t get this "futureproof" obsession. In 4-5 years when people usually upgrade to a new processor, you want the newest mobo with the latest tech. Who`s gonna buy Ryzen 3 next year and place it into a 2016 AM4 board?

Only in this case we are talking about only 1-2 years. A vast majority of people keep their gear for at least that or longer. FYI ryzen was release in 2017, not 2016.

Also, have you seen the used market for 4790Ks? That CPU held it's price for years after launch, clearly their are people willing to buy older processors that perform well.

 

[pcnthuziast]

Can't wait for the intel price cuts.

 

[LogiGaming]

What they mean with "wont come cheap"? Are we talking about 150€ to 200€? If so, that´s nothing different from Intel. But if you talking about 250€-300€ for a decent board, that´s another story.

I´m with a 9700k 5ghz 4000mhz CL18 Ram, but I can´t wait to see 3900x benchmarks. If it is as good or better than my CPU at high refresh gaming (my monitor is 240hz) I will buy it, and a 150€-200€ motherboard won´t stop me from doing it. If it is 250€-300€ I might hesitate a bit tho as I don´t think X470 is a great option for a 12 core CPU with its max overclock etc. Also doubt x470 can sustain 4000mhz CL18 Ram, while x570 will do it with ease as we all know by now.

 

[VitalyT]

Can anybody explain why does it limit the number of cores to 12? They make 16-core CPU-s that you won't be able to use on the new boards?

 

[Adi6293]

And there goes the whole purpose of going AMD instead of Intel.

Now someone will say "just get a B450/x470", wich will always limit the max potential you can get out of a Ryzen 3000 cpu and Ram overclocking too, defeating the purpose of an upgrade.

A good z370 motherboard nowadays costs 130€, and supports 9700k/9900k. As intel doesnt depend that much from ram speeds, 3000mhz is fine, that could be an option. As Steve Burke said, the memory circuit on x470 is completly diffetent from thr circuit on x570.

I don't think a €130 motherboard could handle overclocked 9900K so that's not an argument, now Ryzen 7 3700X will still cost less than 9700K and 9900K and for that 65 watt cpu you won't need super cooling or super motherboard so even if you spend a litte extra on ram you still save on everything else

 

[LogiGaming]

And there goes the whole purpose of going AMD instead of Intel.

Now someone will say "just get a B450/x470", wich will always limit the max potential you can get out of a Ryzen 3000 cpu and Ram overclocking too, defeating the purpose of an upgrade.

A good z370 motherboard nowadays costs 130€, and supports 9700k/9900k. As intel doesnt depend that much from ram speeds, 3000mhz is fine, that could be an option. As Steve Burke said, the memory circuit on x470 is completly diffetent from thr circuit on x570.

I don't think a €130 motherboard could handle overclocked 9900K so that's not an argument, now Ryzen 7 3700X will still cost less than 9700K and 9900K and for that 65 watt cpu you won't need super cooling or super motherboard so even if you spend a litte extra on ram you still save on everything else

I agree with this, except for the cooling part. Be aware Zen 2 drastically increases voltage and power usage once you go after a certain wall. You can see the 3700x is rated 65w and the 3800x with a mere 300mhz increase on base clock and 100mhz on turbo clock is immediatly rated 105w.

And the 6 core 3600x just because of having 200mhz more base clock compared to the 8 core 3700x, is 95w.... (30w more than the 8 core chip). That shows us after a certain point it will need serious juice and cooling.

 

[emmzo]

"I don't get this " Latest tech" obsession you're talking about. In 4-5 years what new tech will over seed this board that will make a big DIFFERENCE with games?"
New tech that will make this board obsolete in under two years: DDR5, USB 4.0, PCIe5.0. I don`t know how much will this impact playing games, probably not much, but I won`t buy the latest gen procs just to play games. For poor cheap you`ll save more money buying a console anyway.
As for AM4`s amazing futureproofing we`re going to wait and see, in the meantime remind me how long did Intel`s 1151 socket lasted?
"FYI ryzen was release in 2017, not 2016."
My bad.

 

[Dimitrios]

"New tech that will make this board obsolete in under two years: DDR5, USB 4.0, PCIe5.0"

Call me when a DDR5 USB 4.0 and PCIe 5.0 is needed lol. They already said PCIe 5.0 won't be out for a while. I will eat my words if there is a CRYSIS like game that will challenge DDR5 and PCie 5.0

I think this board will last a long time and is def worth the money for now and future upgrades.

 

[kmo911]

The pcie 4.0-5.0 will needing enormous more power supply. just to run in a few sec it would overheat wotouth cooling enabled.
if you tinking of what it can do in cda benchmarking cinabench heaven unigine dx12 (soon 13) you gain enormous speed heat and beating every x470 in a sec. they gonna need ing new 3dmark or just patching it up for the new speed. tink about crysis 1 2 3 with almost unlimited fps and no loct to 25-60 but 300-4000 fps. it was just like when you used a pcie 1.0 in pcie 3.0 (2.0 slot) you gained more speed in games cad benchmarks but the programs didtn know what the extra bandwidth was in their code. so taking care of new programming for 3dmark unigine cinabench would fix (bug) from just achiving just pcie 3.0 speed when you got douobble speed ingame. new games would have bigger textures for using with pcie 4 5 and older games must get 4k-16 textures and REMAKE sign on it. ms-dos games with pcie 4-5 would not give more speed ingame. it has too have support for what to do with that speed and so on. 320x200 dpi would not look better if you dont make a remake in gaming textures. quake 1 2 3 with more textures would be nice too. hd versions of games and o.c 4k textures in games like turok shadow man http://aspecmaps.free.fr/DROPPEDDEADGAME doom 3 re textured and more nice looking at. many games has only low textures to run in good fps. newest 2019-20xx would have textures that are so big it eould make out a pcie 3.0 in low fps. and pcie 3 5 would use those withoth problems. this woudl be some problems getting good fps in gamse made for only pcie 1-3 here some ddr4 tha my mb supports (RESPOND to message) https://prisguiden.no/produkt/g-skill-tridentz-ddr4-4600mhz-cl19-16gb-2x8gb- 351839 https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/17513794 2400 mhz are enough for gaming. exspensive ddr modules could be better in benchmarking games cad and so on. so if you run www.userbenchmark.com on youre pc you can see if something need upgrade.

upd we just have to wait for next gen motherboards like intel amd and all others.
gpu and ram must be enormous to run buy theese MB ram modulse. maybe you can run amd chipset on intel mb soon o.c cpu must be for amd and intel. when you buy ram modules they last to nxt gen. so ddr5 would do a jump in fps and many other games cad s programs. (1st all games programs must be written for pcie 4-5

 

[Dimitrios]

I do have to admit the only good thing about DDR5 would be the APU's that rely on faster RAM. Let's be honest, Is there is a big difference with CPU's & FPS in games with DDR4 3200mhz and whatever they have for faster RAM which is like 3666mhz or 3800mhz??

 

[grumblguts]

Can't wait for the intel price cuts.

Im afraid it wont make much difference if they do.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Can anybody explain why does it limit the number of cores to 12? They make 16-core CPU-s that you won't be able to use on the new boards?

Maybe that's why AMD won't speak publically about a 16 core Ryzen chip, even though they did unofficially. AMD wants you to pair it with a different chipset perhaps? I don't know.

 

[Adi6293]

I agree with this, except for the cooling part. Be aware Zen 2 drastically increases voltage and power usage once you go after a certain wall. You can see the 3700x is rated 65w and the 3800x with a mere 300mhz increase on base clock and 100mhz on turbo clock is immediatly rated 105w.

And the 6 core 3600x just because of having 200mhz more base clock compared to the 8 core 3700x, is 95w.... (30w more than the 8 core chip). That shows us after a certain point it will need serious juice and cooling.

That's true, every cpu eventually hits a wall that's why its best to find a sweet spot. I think its safe to assume that 3700X will come with wraith spire which is 95 watts cooler, that means it will easly handle the 4.4Ghz boost and maybe even 4.4Ghz all core overclock. Intel doesn't give you a cooler at all with K series CPU's so no matter how you look at it AMD works out cheaper because we all know the 95 watts of 9900K its a lot of BS so you can't just get any crappy cooler for it, 9700K its a lot better in that department

 

[LogiGaming]

That's true, every cpu eventually hits a wall that's why its best to find a sweet spot. I think its safe to assume that 3700X will come with wraith spire which is 95 watts cooler, that means it will easly handle the 4.4Ghz boost and maybe even 4.4Ghz all core overclock. Intel doesn't give you a cooler at all with K series CPU's so no matter how you look at it AMD works out cheaper because we all know the 95 watts of 9900K its a lot of BS so you can't just get any crappy cooler for it, 9700K its a lot better in that department

True, that´s one of the big reasons I got 9700k instead too (and price ofc), as I´m using the air cooler that was included for free with my MSI motherboard. Way easier to cool compared to 9900k. My next target is the 3900x if it is as good as 9700k in gaming. Want to use 1 PC setup only for streaming etc, 12c/24 would be more than enough for that, no need for 2 machines anymore.

 

[Ravalo]

"I don't get this " Latest tech" obsession you're talking about. In 4-5 years what new tech will over seed this board that will make a big DIFFERENCE with games?"
New tech that will make this board obsolete in under two years: DDR5, USB 4.0, PCIe5.0. I don`t know how much will this impact playing games, probably not much, but I won`t buy the latest gen procs just to play games. For poor cheap you`ll save more money buying a console anyway.
As for AM4`s amazing futureproofing we`re going to wait and see, in the meantime remind me how long did Intel`s 1151 socket lasted?
"FYI ryzen was release in 2017, not 2016."
My bad.

Actually the am4 socket was released in 2016, but yeah, ryzen came out in 2017

Even tho the lga 1151 socket lasted about 4 years it doesn’t mean it is possible to put an intel core i7 9700k cpu on a 2015 motherboard

Probably some x570 boards will support ddr5 and usb 4.0 but only time will tell

 

[Puiu]

Bleeding edge tech has always come with a premium when it first launched.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I don`t get this "futureproof" obsession.

You mean like when I bought my i7-2600k and wanted it to last me 10 year. All because I didn't want to buy a new system in 2 years. What is wrong with buying things to last? Some might have money to burn but most do not.