LogiGaming
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I guess he means the fact that people buying a new platform + CPU, do not usually upgrade 2 years or 3 years later, so when it´s time to upgrade (4 or 5 years) they need a new motherboard anyway most of the times.
MSI CEO says AMD X570 motherboards won't come cheap
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I guess he means the fact that people buying a new platform + CPU, do not usually upgrade 2 years or 3 years later, so when it´s time to upgrade (4 or 5 years) they need a new motherboard anyway most of the times.
You should have read what I was replying to. I strictly meant it`s useless buying a "futureproof" mobo and hoping in 4-5 years whenever you upgrade your proc you don`t have to change it, because it has the same socket.
Evernessince
Posts: 5,469 +6,160
Did you see the VRMs on these motherboards? The one Gigabyte one is a 14-phase, insane. The platform can certainly support it.
The most likely scenario is that AMD doesn't see Intel having a counter to their 12-core, let alone their 16 core. They will likely keep that chip under wraps if Intel should respond. I don't think the rumored Intel 10 core will be enough unless it's paid with serious IPC gains.
Dragonstongue
Posts: 16 +12
Pretty sure that is same numb nuts that said the 400 series would be that much lower cost than the 300 series for AM4, and Vram pricing(as well as DRAM) was to drop sharply quickly" (more or less)
then pretty much everyone goes and takes them "simpler and lower cost boards" mucks with VRM designs, totally fubars many of them with m.2 slot placement and/or completely useless "heatshield" for the m.2 drives (especially MSI for quite a few of their designs Intel as well as AMD...
stupid design promotes heat retention not surface area and dissipative....oh yeh, and RGB galore driving price up, not always work proper (sometimes not at all) ...........RAM price shot up shortly after he stated polar opposite of that (a year later is only "just" getting to price it really should be, that is, DDR3 x2 in capacity but just under double the price is "fair" but double capacity and triple or more for price is "greed" just because is the "most modern"
DDR2 never was "as drastic" vs the promised cost savings due to die shrinks AND the "simpler" design topology afforded by DDR4 over 3, by GDDR5 over 4 or 3 and so forth......ooops, them CEO need to e VERY careful....he was also part of Nvidia "nefarious" BS such as GPP, Geforce Now and all that other really not needed crud.
more pricey boards, sure, due to the fact are far higher spec everything on them, so they going to be pricier, but, to claim ALL of them if a bit far reaching, seeing as AMD "always" has options for the high end as well as low end.
AMD all the way, hit $35.50/share and I will be loving it even more (analyst should truly start reading some more, the massive turn around AMD has done in a very short time frame for the sheer $$$$$$$$$$$ to manage it is absolutely worthy of notice not this BS "not as good as competition's offerings .... reality check...you damn right they are, even when 5% slower, if saves 5% cash, they are AS DAMN GOOD (though again, reality, rip the product apart, 99% of time AMD are BETTER BUILT...not always "faster" or "cooler running" but overall better quality built (if Reference spec or better, and most are at least reference...)
Anyways, I quite like MSI, but they truly need to watch the crud they sling, folks tend to have at least some memory and such, as of late MSI has been among the most "talkative" if not very much so the most "active" when comes to so so design choice or trumpeting all the benefits of their "bestest buddy Nvidia's newest bestest toy" (also Nvidia needs to stop their crap and just worry about release the best they can, and let the product do the talking instead of that leather coat wearing trash talking putz of a CEO...........
then pretty much everyone goes and takes them "simpler and lower cost boards" mucks with VRM designs, totally fubars many of them with m.2 slot placement and/or completely useless "heatshield" for the m.2 drives (especially MSI for quite a few of their designs Intel as well as AMD...
stupid design promotes heat retention not surface area and dissipative....oh yeh, and RGB galore driving price up, not always work proper (sometimes not at all) ...........RAM price shot up shortly after he stated polar opposite of that (a year later is only "just" getting to price it really should be, that is, DDR3 x2 in capacity but just under double the price is "fair" but double capacity and triple or more for price is "greed" just because is the "most modern"
DDR2 never was "as drastic" vs the promised cost savings due to die shrinks AND the "simpler" design topology afforded by DDR4 over 3, by GDDR5 over 4 or 3 and so forth......ooops, them CEO need to e VERY careful....he was also part of Nvidia "nefarious" BS such as GPP, Geforce Now and all that other really not needed crud.
more pricey boards, sure, due to the fact are far higher spec everything on them, so they going to be pricier, but, to claim ALL of them if a bit far reaching, seeing as AMD "always" has options for the high end as well as low end.
AMD all the way, hit $35.50/share and I will be loving it even more (analyst should truly start reading some more, the massive turn around AMD has done in a very short time frame for the sheer $$$$$$$$$$$ to manage it is absolutely worthy of notice not this BS "not as good as competition's offerings .... reality check...you damn right they are, even when 5% slower, if saves 5% cash, they are AS DAMN GOOD (though again, reality, rip the product apart, 99% of time AMD are BETTER BUILT...not always "faster" or "cooler running" but overall better quality built (if Reference spec or better, and most are at least reference...)
Anyways, I quite like MSI, but they truly need to watch the crud they sling, folks tend to have at least some memory and such, as of late MSI has been among the most "talkative" if not very much so the most "active" when comes to so so design choice or trumpeting all the benefits of their "bestest buddy Nvidia's newest bestest toy" (also Nvidia needs to stop their crap and just worry about release the best they can, and let the product do the talking instead of that leather coat wearing trash talking putz of a CEO...........
Shadowboxer
Posts: 2,074 +1,655
Everyone’s talking about “futureproof” but at this time really these boards aren’t. AMD are only supporting AM4 until next year so you can buy an X570 board now and you will only be able to put next year’s CPU in it, which is likely to be just a Zen 2 refresh like Zen2+, any CPU later than that and you will have to buy a new motherboard. Which personally I think people should be buying every time they buy a new CPU anyway.
J
JimEs
Let me replace AMD with Intel.
"Everyone’s talking about “futureproof” but at this time really these boards aren’t. Intel only supporting LGA1151 until next year so you can buy an Z370 board now and you will only be able to put next year’s CPU in it, which is likely to be just a Coffee Lake refresh like [whatever Intel calls their next gen series], any CPU later than that and you will have to buy a new motherboard. Which personally I think people should be buying every time they buy a new CPU anyway."
In this sense, nobody should buy a new motherboard because something is going to come out a year later.
Adi6293
Posts: 931 +1,309
3900X could be the jack of all trades
I game with 2700X and Radeon VII at 4K so I would benefit more from GPU upgrade but I still want the 3900X, luckily I have 360mm aio and Aorus Gaming 7 so it will be just a cpu swap when it happens but I think GPU first, hopefully Navi 20 can get me 2080Ti performance for £750....
Adi6293
Posts: 931 +1,309
I dont think there is single best X470 motherboard, all high end models are good
Aorus Gaming 7, Asus Crosshair VII, ASRock Tachi You missed the point completely just to bash Intel. What he was saying and what I have also said is there is no "futureproof" mobo. This board in particular doesn`t support DDR5 which will come by early next year if predictions are correct. As a sidenote I don`t get how competition drives the prices up, because hey, we`re cool, too. Unless we go back to Athlon64 era and Ryzen3 trashes anything Intel has to offer, I don`t get why AMD is suddenly pricier, because if this board is any indication I won`t hold my breath for the processors.
msroadkill612
Posts: 116 +43
I dont think am4 will die out in 2020.
I think am4 users have loved the ability to simply swap up to better cpuS - not jts for newer tech, but for better prices and easily absorbed incremental investments in better perf.
When weighing an x470 vs a x570, I would add a $100 "hassle if I ever swap it tax" to the x470.
If I had to choose, I would take x570 w/ zen1/zen+ over x470 w/ zen2.
I think am4 users have loved the ability to simply swap up to better cpuS - not jts for newer tech, but for better prices and easily absorbed incremental investments in better perf.
When weighing an x470 vs a x570, I would add a $100 "hassle if I ever swap it tax" to the x470.
If I had to choose, I would take x570 w/ zen1/zen+ over x470 w/ zen2.
mcborge
Posts: 599 +487
The ROG STRIX X470-F gaming is pretty decent. I've had one for a while now and I haven't ran into any issues with it so far. The board has pretty decent overclocking support and comes with two M.2 slots and plenty of fan and RGB headers.
hay fizzy
Posts: 20 +3
Faster memory would certainly help in APUs this has been known for a while but would it not be easier just to implement triple or quad chanel memory and disable single chanel memory in Bios. This will force OEM's to adhere to minimum standards.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
This would prevent a system from booting. Instead of slightly crippling it in the event of a memory module going bad. I vote against that concept.
Kind of like x58 did a decade ago? I still haven't moved up yet but I think I've finally reached its limits...
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